New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Spursidol]

Couple of new bits on financing coming from the THST/THFC minutes :

- Naming Rights was something that would be arrived at mid project similar to with Emirates - existing deals shows it really only becomes a sensible conversation for sponsoring organisations once the construction has started
- Bank financing was a known quantity, however, with Rothschild acting as advisors and producing detailed modelling for them at present around servicing debt and cash ratios across each quarter

The new bit is that we should not expect anything to be announced formally on the naming rights deal until we are well into construction )'mid project') - and I guess its to do with the naming rights partner having more certainty as to when the stadium will be finished and used, which is when the naming rights sponsor will start to gain his marketing return (ie when the stadium is known as XYZ stadium) and when he starts paying. But I'm sure that there will already be a number of discussions held with potential partners which can now be progressed as the timeline for the stadium to be completed becomes more firm.

However discussions on the banking finance is well under way for the money to build the stadium - the naming rights money deal will form a substantial part of the club's payments back to banks to pay off the loans, and the credit rating of the naming rights sponsor may even affect the rate of interest paid to the banks

 

[L-man]

Its not just about price or convenience of travel. Its a League One stadium, we should play somewhere better (Wembley) and for those of us who live in North London, it will turn every game into an all day outing. As much as i want to see Spurs i have family and other commitments, so while an afternoon is ok and everyone is used to that, a whole day at the weekend doesnt work.

That's unfair on Stadium MK, it holds 30k at the minute and is larger than quite a few PL stadiums. It was part of the 2018 WC bid and was going to be increased to 44k to accommodate whilst also being used for the Rugby WC this year. It may be a League One club but it's not a League One stadium

Also, it does not take a whole day out of your week to travel to Milton Keynes from North London to watch 90 minutes of football, that's absurd. You're talking about an hour to get there and then maybe longer on the way back to allow for traffic by road and Seven Sisters to Bletchley is 1h20 by train. If you left at 1pm on a Saturday you could be back by 6.30 theoretically.

It's only 19 games plus the odd cup game. 19 'days' out of your 104 weekend days in the calendar year, if that's too much then just take the break for a year.

 

[Saoirse]

Stadium Mk looks very accessible by roadway, and appears to offer plenty of parking. Politics aside, it looks to be a logical option.

Yeah, apart from that fact that the vast majority of our supporters now use public transport for which it's a nightmare..

 

[Saoirse]

Last time we played home matches away from WHL we used Brighton. Let's go back there. Nice modern stadium, better area if we have to go out of London and no money going to odious franchise club-killers. Of course Wembley should be first preference if possible.

 

[mpickard2087]

I don't get the argument about not going there because a lower league club has the place. It's for one season (we are told), and besides its a modern stadium and a damn sight smarter and better facilities than say Fulham, Palace or QPR.

Not to mention bigger... Capacity is going to be up at 32/33k for the Rugby World Cup. If Wembley is going to be unavailable year round (highly likely) then its the closest ground by some distance that holds 30k+ and so around what WHL presently holds. Could ask Charlton or Palace (grounds hold 25-27k) if they would have us, but would there be much difference in journey times?

Or we could just be put in the situation of having to beg Chelsea or Arsenal and effectively handing over a blank cheque...

 

[Saoirse]

I don't get the argument about not going there because a lower league club has the place. It's for one season (we are told), and besides its a modern stadium and a damn sight smarter and better facilities than say Fulham, Palace or QPR.

Not to mention bigger... Capacity is going to be up at 32/33k for the Rugby World Cup. If Wembley is going to be unavailable year round (highly likely) then its the closest ground by some distance that holds 30k+ and so around what WHL presently holds. Could ask Charlton or Palace (grounds hold 25-27k) if they would have us, but would there be much difference in journey times?

Or we could just be put in the situation of having to beg Chelsea or Arsenal and effectively handing over a blank cheque...

Brighton would be the same or a little quicker - 20 minutes longer on the train from WHL but without a 1.5 mile walk at the other end. Ipswich is also quicker. Levy's obviously already got a deal with MK Dons because there's a lot of other options, this Wembley talk is just pulling the wool over people's eyes again and at most we'll play a couple of bigger matches there.

 

[Speedy]

Think mk has sufficient corporate facilities

 

[mpickard2087]

Brighton would be the same or a little quicker - 20 minutes longer on the train from WHL but without a 1.5 mile walk at the other end. Ipswich is also quicker. Levy's obviously already got a deal with MK Dons because there's a lot of other options, this Wembley talk is just pulling the wool over people's eyes again and at most we'll play a couple of bigger matches there.

Who's pulling the wool over anyone's eyes? The club has pretty much said with their comments to the supporters club that Wembley probably isn't an option. It's not like they are bigging it up and making promises.

Brighton is still further by train, whether you go from Victoria or St Pancras which is even longer. It would also not be good for anyone driving there and would be much longer if they put on buses. Same with Ipswich.

 

[Hoopspur]

That's unfair on Stadium MK, it holds 30k at the minute and is larger than quite a few PL stadiums. It was part of the 2018 WC bid and was going to be increased to 44k to accommodate whilst also being used for the Rugby WC this year. It may be a League One club but it's not a League One stadium

Also, it does not take a whole day out of your week to travel to Milton Keynes from North London to watch 90 minutes of football, that's absurd. You're talking about an hour to get there and then maybe longer on the way back to allow for traffic by road and Seven Sisters to Bletchley is 1h20 by train. If you left at 1pm on a Saturday you could be back by 6.30 theoretically.

It's only 19 games plus the odd cup game. 19 'days' out of your 104 weekend days in the calendar year, if that's too much then just take the break for a year.

Luckily it's closer from Bristol to MK (88) than it is from Bristol to Tottenham (119) . And there'll be plenty of room for all!

Joking aside, as it happens I see a positive for the club in getting fans into the ground to see 'the mighty Spurs' that may not go regularly. Convert a few youngsters to be Spurs fans and hopefully some more will make the opposite trek when the new stadium is eventually built.

But me, I also live in North London, and I'll wait to see what happens in terms of a commitment to the fans before I in turn renew my commitment to the Club for that particular season - especially as there will be this mooted amnesty. I'd like to go but can't promise it - let's see what happens with travel arrangements and the built in allowance for the system cocking up! My father in law is also over 80 years old and lives in Balham (South London for those who don't know). He has a ST and travels under his own steam (tube/rail and bus) for every game. Realistically there is no chance of him going for that season - if he's alive still of course!

Despite what you may think, not everyone does have the time you've indicated to actually get there, what with work and other pressures. Evening games will be a problem for me (and him) then, as they are now. I'd also like the club, television companies and the League to come to a firmer creative arrangement in terms of rearranged Sunday matches (of course no chance) which would surely help the fans out with some type of planning - make every game a Sunday at 1.30, televised or not?

I honestly trust that yourself, and any others that do make these sort of comments, do go to every match before indicating that it won't or shouldn't make a massive difference, because I also honestly feel it will. Time will tell of course.

I'm looking forward to what the club has to say further.

 

[ERO]

Fun thing about playing at stadiummk (what a lame name) is that we'll get to have the record attendance at someone else's ground, as Mk Dons couldn't even fill their stadium against Manchester United.

 

[Saoirse]

Who's pulling the wool over anyone's eyes? The club has pretty much said with their comments to the supporters club that Wembley probably isn't an option. It's not like they are bigging it up and making promises.

Brighton is still further by train, whether you go from Victoria or St Pancras which is even longer. It would also not be good for anyone driving there and would be much longer if they put on buses. Same with Ipswich.

I'd like to know for a start why exactly Upton Park or the Olympic Place isn't viable any more. And why we apparently haven't even considered the Emirates. Whatever way you look at it moving us out of London will be hugely inconvenient and expensive to most of our fanbase so it should be a last resort. And under no circumstances should we be giving MK a single fucking penny. If this happens I'll take up the amnesty and start following Wimbledon for the year, it'd feel less dirty.

 

[L-man]

Luckily it's closer from Bristol to MK (88) than it is from Bristol to Tottenham (119) . And there'll be plenty of room for all!

Joking aside, as it happens I see a positive for the club in getting fans into the ground to see 'the mighty Spurs' that may not go regularly. Convert a few youngsters to be Spurs fans and hopefully some more will make the opposite trek when the new stadium is eventually built.

But me, I also live in North London, and I'll wait to see what happens in terms of a commitment to the fans before I in turn renew my commitment to the Club for that particular season - especially as there will be this mooted amnesty. I'd like to go but can't promise it - let's see what happens with travel arrangements and the built in allowance for the system cocking up! My father in law is also over 80 years old and lives in Balham (South London for those who don't know). He has a ST and travels under his own steam (tube/rail and bus) for every game. Realistically there is no chance of him going for that season - if he's alive still of course!

Despite what you may think, not everyone does have the time you've indicated to actually get there, what with work and other pressures. Evening games will be a problem for me (and him) then, as they are now. I'd also like the club, television companies and the League to come to a firmer creative arrangement in terms of rearranged Sunday matches (of course no chance) which would surely help the fans out with some type of planning - make every game a Sunday at 1.30, televised or not?

I honestly trust that yourself, and any others that do make these sort of comments, do go to every match before indicating that it won't or shouldn't make a massive difference, because I also honestly feel it will. Time will tell of course.

I'm looking forward to what the club has to say further.

I'm not disputing it won't make a difference, I just don't think it's worth the exaggeration that it's going to waste an entire day when it's not really true. Of course it's going to make a huge difference for the majority of fans moving from a few train stops away to a 2-3 hour round journey. And I fully expect season ticket numbers to drop as well as some of the regular members, but this is where you can see the club are intervening to try to reach some sort of compromise by either providing travel options or allowing for an amnesty for a year.

However I think this is a relatively small price to pay for the benefit of building a brand new stadium pretty much on the site of our existing one. It's obvious this wouldn't be the clubs preferred option when you consider the original plans were to play in an unfinished stadium for a year but it seems MK is going to be the only viable option.

My main point is that it's only 19 games give or take the odd cup game including midweek PL which I'd imagine/ hope the club would fight to have as little 'home' night games as possible to help fans out. The clubs going to take a large hit that season I'd imagine, financially, anyway. I know it's not really fair that those who've been going for years may just have to give up a season but I don't think there's any other major viable option, I mean the board are surely choosing the best option for the club?

To your point about my match attendance, no, I don't go to every match. You've made the Bristol comment so you have a vague idea that I don't. I'm here for uni until the summer, and have tried to make around 5-10 games in the last three-four years, but will more than likely end up with a job closer to home (Ironically only 20-30 minutes drive from MK) after where I plan to attend a lot more. However I'll admit I do make more of a conscious effort to get to away games rather than home.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I'd like to know for a start why exactly Upton Park or the Olympic Place isn't viable any more. And why we apparently haven't even considered the Emirates. Whatever way you look at it moving us out of London will be hugely inconvenient and expensive to most of our fanbase so it should be a last resort. And under no circumstances should we be giving MK a single fucking penny. If this happens I'll take up the amnesty and start following Wimbledon for the year, it'd feel less dirty.

I know why. Regarding Upton Park, apparently West Ham have some sort of veto which means they could stop us playing there. And I don't think they're going to let us play at their shiny 'new' stadium when they fucking hate us.

 

[Wellspurs]

I know why. Regarding Upton Park, apparently West Ham have some sort of veto which means they could stop us playing there. And I don't think they're going to let us play at their shiny 'new' stadium when they fucking hate us.

Upton Park is being deliberately decommissioned to prevent us using it. Olympic Stadium, West ham have a veto that Karren Brady says she will use to stop us going there.
So a London tax payer funded stadium is off limits to a London team because Brady and the porn twins say so??

 

[GMI]

This seems new.
Has this been stated before?

Reading that it feels close doesn't it. Two more seasons at the Lane.

 

[worcestersauce]

Upton Park is being deliberately decommissioned to prevent us using it. Olympic Stadium, West ham have a veto that Karren Brady says she will use to stop us going there.
So a London tax payer funded stadium is off limits to a London team because Brady and the porn twins say so??

Do West Ham have a permanent veto? I understood only to start with so that they'd be first, after that it isn't their stadium and if we pay money the legacy company or whatever it is will take it.
What could West Ham do, they ain't got no other options so they'd have to lump it, mind you I know porn king number one is financing the Conservative party so if they win the election maybe that'd be the quid pro quo.
I'm not looking forward to MK it's a bark for me to get to.

 

[GMI]

Arsenal were allowed to play their home games at White Hart Lane during WW2 so it's about time they repaid their debt to us and let us play our home games there.

In those 'black and white' days Arsenal, and their chairman, were up to all sorts of shinanegins.

 

[SHaRD]

Londoners are so insular, it's really funny.

If it's not on the tube line its Outer Mongolia.

Brighton had to play in bliming Gillingham remember as part of the sacrifice to get their new stadium

Also I remember Paul Barber talking about our season at Milton Keynes about 7 years ago, so it's not like it's a big surprise

 

[tottenmal]

Londoners are so insular, it's really funny.

If it's not on the tube line its Outer Mongolia.

I heard its cold and dark outside the M25. Saw it on a documentary once.

 

[ryantegan]

I think the discussions regarding wembley would only amount to anything should we be lucky enough to be playing Champions League football. I think that Stadium MK is a done deal and to be honest, that sacrifice is minimal when we see the new stadium we will get for our club.

Stadium MK for league and cup
Wembley Stadium for Champions League (like Arsenal back in 1998)