New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Spursidol]

Thanks, that's a helpful link. Some semi-random observations.

We see from paragraph 2 on page 2 ("Context") that the Mayor was initially opposed to the demolition of the historic buildings last October.

The report's key paragraphs dealing with the historic buildings are nos. 26, 27 & 29 on pages 7 & 8.

What the "Affordable Housing" section on pages 5-6 basically says is that there will be a financial contribution, in lieu of affordable housing on site, of £48.4m (index-linked), but that this will be reviewed once the actual sales receipts from the private-sector housing are known. If the residential part of the scheme makes a larger/smaller profit than anticipated, the affordable housing contribution will be increased/reduced, according to formula they have negotiated. This is a common arrangement, especially when the delivery of the housing is going to be a few years in the future.

I see from paragraph 36 that the targets for non-car-borne attendance are 77% for football matches, 85% for NFL matches and 90% for concerts. As I have posted on numerous occasions, the whole drift of modern planning policy is to make it difficult for people to drive to these kinds of events and difficult to park locally. But to achieve that, THFC had to demonstrate that improved public transport provision will be able to cope. Paragraphs 38-40 deal with this.

Para 25 is interesting - in December Historic England requested the Secretary of State call in the application. Do you think that there is a requirement for the Secretary of State to consider the application in addition to the Mayor ?

I note that there are several references to a draft s 106 notice throughout the Mayor's determination and that the Planning permission has a clause that says that if the s 106 has not been agreed and signed by 18 March the application should be taken back to the Planning Committee. Would it be reasonable to assume that the s 106 has been agreed or if not, that the major points have been agreed and remaining points should be agreed in the next couple of weeks to avoid return to planning ?

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Para 25 is interesting - in December Historic England requested the Secretary of State call in the application. Do you think that there is a requirement for the Secretary of State to consider the application in addition to the Mayor ?

It's not a requirement, but it is at the Secretary of State's discretion and I think that possibility remains. I don't know the timetable.

Nor do I know [he said cynically] if the current Secretary of State is pro- or anti-EU and whether s/he has any desire to provoke or obstruct or the Mayor for his views on the EU referendum... but who knows?

I note that there are several references to a draft s 106 notice throughout the Mayor's determination and that the Planning permission has a clause that says that if the s 106 has not been agreed and signed by 18 March the application should be taken back to the Planning Committee. Would it be reasonable to assume that the s 106 has been agreed or if not, that the major points have been agreed and remaining points should be agreed in the next couple of weeks to avoid return to planning?

I would think it is still in the thick of negotiation and that this will continue until 17 or 18 March, at which point it will be signed. THFC will want to screw as good a deal as possible out of it and so will Haringey, but neither side would benefit from having to revisit the planning decision. Especially not THFC - they have a building contractor already working on site.

 

[N17Jack]

My Son has just had his induction course as the Company he works for have won the contract for the site temporary electrical installations. He will be working on the project until the end. He is so excited to be part of the Spurs future. Might even get to find out something worth knowing.

 

[GobbyJJ]

Sorry but speaking as a layman there are a few things I need to ask. relating to the Official Site.

- Why are the multi position aerial photos posted yesterday nearly a month old? Surely a more up to date photo would make more sense.
- What is the area on the right front when viewed in photo 1 on OS. To a layman it looks like the foundations have really progressed. Maybe they can start surface construction soon?

If anyone can let me know any info they know I'd greatly appreciate it.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

Sorry but speaking as a layman there are a few things I need to ask. relating to the Official Site.

- Why are the multi position aerial photos posted yesterday nearly a month old? Surely a more up to date photo would make more sense.
- What is the area on the right front when viewed in photo 1 on OS. To a layman it looks like the foundations have really progressed. Maybe they can start surface construction soon?

If anyone can let me know any info they know I'd greatly appreciate it.

On Camera 1 on Stadium TV - the dark grey area appears to be the foundations for the lift shaft. The metal cages you see around the site are dug into the ground and filled with concrete.

It appears they are using one team and have several more to set - so a bit more time on this. After which the groundwork and concrete floor will happen pretty quickly.

Roofs (and Mechanical & Electrical) are traditionally where stadium projects go wrong (Wembley case in point amongst other issues), so it's great we've plenty of time to get 3/4 of the basement and possibly the super structure done before we move out.

The biggest challenge will be to get from demolishing the North Stand to completing the basement and super structure on the last corner of the stadium - and quickly enough so as not to slow down the roof section.

If we can't achieve this, we'll miss our deadline and need 2 seasons away.

This could have been tight so I'm glad ITK saying we're knocking the North Stand down before we move out, sad as this will be.

We'll probably be able to throw money at the last corner of the basement with 2-3 teams working round the clock like you'd see on Crossrail - so this isn't a major risk.

Torrential rain and bad weather are the major risks of delay here, hence why Mace will want to start as early as possible - and give plenty of time for any problems with the roof.

There's a school and a small amount of residential 150 yards away, so I don't see any permit issues.

 

[Wine Gum]

To give some info about the Secretary of State's powers to call-in the planning decision i.e. make the decision in place of the Local Authority.

This can be done at any time during the planning application process, up to the point at which the local planning authority actually makes the decision.

At present Haringey have confirmed it is mindful to grant the Planning Application and will issue the formal decision when the S106 terms are agreed.

If not agreed by 18th March the Planning Application will go back to the Planning Committee.

Calling-in Planning Applications

"Anyone can ask for a planning application to be called-in. Applicants should give clear reasons why they think that the application should be called-in, including why it is of more than local importance. For further information see the Planning Inspectorate Procedural Guide"

 

[worcestersauce]

To give some info about the Secretary of State's powers to call-in the planning decision i.e. make the decision in place of the Local Authority.

This can be done at any time during the planning application process, up to the point at which the local planning authority actually makes the decision.

At present Haringey have confirmed it is mindful to grant the Planning Application and will issue the formal decision when the S106 terms are agreed.

If not agreed by 18th March the Planning Application will go back to the Planning Committee.

Calling-in Planning Applications

"Anyone can ask for a planning application to be called-in. Applicants should give clear reasons why they think that the application should be called-in, including why it is of more than local importance. For further information see the Planning Inspectorate Procedural Guide"

Surely if the old buildings are no more than locally listed they are not of more than local importance and since historical England, or anyone else, have never tried to get them listed nationally, I can't see they have much of a case to stop the demolition.

 

[whitesocks]

I'm quite sad that these buildings have to go. They were there before the club came and if they'd survived would probably still be there when the stadium was next upgraded or we moved.
But no naming rights sponsor will want any chance that the stadium is still called White Hart lane, so any link with the past will be either obliterated or safely locked up in the museum.

 

[Lilbaz]

I'm quite sad that these buildings have to go. They were there before the club came and if they'd survived would probably still be there when the stadium was next upgraded or we moved.
But no naming rights sponsor will want any chance that the stadium is still called White Hart lane, so any link with the past will be either obliterated or safely locked up in the museum.

If an old player is past his prime and is hindering the club then we replace him with a new one.

Doesn't mean we forget them or their part in our history, just that we need to move on. Fans can call the stadium white hart lane no sponsor will change that.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I rarely comment on people using the "rep" system, as I use it pretty liberally myself, but the one thing that I think is infantile, puerile, 100%-troll behaviour is using "neg reps" as retaliation, i.e., roaming through the site randomly neg-repping someone's posts, irrespective of content, because you're pissed off at them for neg-repping one of yours.

I always rate the content, never the author.

This afternoon, @RomanzoCriminale has gone through the "new stadium" thread just so he can neg-rep 14 of my posts there.

I said he was a troll a few months ago. He still is. And a bit of a baby.

 

[Lilbaz]

I rarely comment on people using the "rep" system, but the one thing that I think is infantile, puerile, 100%-troll behaviour is using "neg reps" as retaliation, i.e., roaming through the site randomly neg-repping someone's posts, irrespective of content, because you're pissed off at them for neg-repping one of yours.

I always rate the content, never the author.

This afternoon, @RomanzoCriminale has gone through the "new stadium" thread just so he can neg-rep 14 of my posts there.

I said he was a troll a few months ago. He still is. And a bit of a baby.

He did one of mine as well. Have no idea why.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

He did one of mine as well. Have no idea why.

I think I just described the reason why .

 

[Lilbaz]

I think I just described the reason why .

I didn't neg rep him. Although i was quoting one of your post so he probably made a mistake. I'll forgive him this time

Is uncalled for though and i'm sure the mods will take a dim view.

 

[yiddopaul]

I'm quite sad that these buildings have to go. They were there before the club came and if they'd survived would probably still be there when the stadium was next upgraded or we moved.
But no naming rights sponsor will want any chance that the stadium is still called White Hart lane, so any link with the past will be either obliterated or safely locked up in the museum.

They can call the stadium what they like. It'll still be White Hart Lane for the majority of fans. Especially as it's essentially on the same site. I'll still be going to 'the Lane'

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

I rarely comment on people using the "rep" system, as I use it pretty liberally myself, but the one thing that I think is infantile, puerile, 100%-troll behaviour is using "neg reps" as retaliation, i.e., roaming through the site randomly neg-repping someone's posts, irrespective of content, because you're pissed off at them for neg-repping one of yours.

I always rate the content, never the author.

This afternoon, @RomanzoCriminale has gone through the "new stadium" thread just so he can neg-rep 14 of my posts there.

I said he was a troll a few months ago. He still is. And a bit of a baby.

Really? Lets get admin to check your behaviour over the last month or so, how may negative have you given me, you big baby?

Don't like it do you when someone stands up to you do you........

 

[Roynie]

Really? Lets get admin to check your behaviour over the last month or so, how may negative have you given me, you big baby?

Don't like it do you when someone stands up to you do you........

The forum is for the purpose of discussion. It really is OK to disagree and say why, which @davidmatzdorf does. For you to go back to neg-rep his out of spite is nothing short of pathetic and childish. Behaving like that is likely to make people put you on ignore, very quickly.

 

[Hoops]

First concrete pour proper today.

 

[widmerpool]

They can call the stadium what they like. It'll still be White Hart Lane for the majority of fans. Especially as it's essentially on the same site. I'll still be going to 'the Lane'

We should probably keep quiet about this until Levy has collected the cash, though.

And if there are any junior brand managers lurking, I personally will swear undying loyalty to whichever corporate wins the auction. To this day I bathe in Holsten Pils and have Autonomy search installed on all my HP devices. As do we all.

 

[Spursidol]

It's not a requirement, but it is at the Secretary of State's discretion and I think that possibility remains. I don't know the timetable.

Nor do I know [he said cynically] if the current Secretary of State is pro- or anti-EU and whether s/he has any desire to provoke or obstruct or the Mayor for his views on the EU referendum... but who knows?
.

Just asking for your thoughts on the Secretary of State's possible process, as its a slightly odd situation as you probably know.

Historic England, who are the body who made the request in December, are actually part of the government department which the Secretary of State runs, and the vast majority of Historic England's funding comes from there.

So in effect HE are appealing to their boss to intercede on their behalf against Harringey and the Mayor. I'd have thought that Boris is politically savvy enough to have had a chat with the Secretary of State (and he with his people) before the Mayor issued his letter. But that may be too simiplistic .

 

[Hoops]

Anybody want to take a guess as to when bits of steel will stick out the ground? Are we good to go when the cement dries in the photo?