New Stadium Details And Discussions

[sloth]

I just saw someone on another site make the point that the Crystal Palace site is owned by the LDA. But that they're strapped for cash and can't afford to redevelop it and so don't really know what to do with it.

So Boris has two headaches, a large one in the shape of the OS and a smaller one in the CP athletics stadium.

Spurs solve both of them.

Will they be able to resist such a neat solution?

 

[michaelden]

Oh dear. Just because you can't read my argument? That was the basis of your last post. You completely misunderstood what I was saying.

So what do you do?

Oh right, attack me.

If you want to have a debate, have one. A personal attack is no substitute.

He has a fair point SotM. You appear to be deaf to any truth

1. We don't know that it's cheaper.
2. We don't know that it will make more money.
3. It's not easier for the fans to get to.

I care about the spin.
Sotm

1) We do. The press do. The Club knows too.
2) Eh? You genuinely think that?
3) That is laughable.

Your responses only back up Chrissivad. You absolutely refuse to believe anything that does not match your arguement. You then repeat yourself, as if saying the same falsehood again will make it true.

To be fair I think Chris has a point.

+1

Shouldn't someone have told 'Wisdom in Sport' that there's an 'r' 'Stratford'?

Didn't like what you read so nitpicking? Its 'Wisdom in Sport' NOT Pedantry in Spelling

 

[StartingPrice]

And for those who have consistently argued along the lines that the NDP is almost certain to go ahead, and so we are not facing a choice between moving to the OS and being stuck in a 36,000 capacity WHL:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...d-leave-spurs-with-nowhere-to-go-2185687.html

"Tottenham Hotspur may not be able to sustain their growing status if they are refused permission to turn the Olympic Stadium in Stratford into their new 60,000-capacity home after the 2012 Games. Despite a growing rebellion among fans over a potential move to east London, The Independent on Sunday understands the alternative of a redeveloped White Hart Lane as part of the Northumberland Park Development is gradually being considered a less viable option because of costs involved and demands being put on the club by the local authority.

Planning permission has already been given for turning the Lane into a 56,000-seater state-of-the-art stadium on neighbouring land, and a majority of supporters believe Spurs should honour the club's long tradition and remain where they are.
Tottenham's anti-Stratford lobby are planning more protests at today's game with Manchester United, but if Spurs eventually decide they have to scrap the NPD project, there are increasing worries the club may have to remain at their inadequate 36,000-capacity ground. That would mean sliding backwards, no longer being able to invest at the current rate and failing to compete on the pitch with their rivals. Spurs are vying with West Ham to take over the Olympic Stadium. The Olympic Park Legacy Company is due to decide by the end of this month which of the two should be granted the venue.
Despite criticism over Spurs' plans to remove the running track, they say the Olympic stadium was always going to be reduced from 80,000 to 25,000 after next year's Games. Last night Tottenham icon Glenn Hoddle backed plans to bulldoze the Olympic venue. Hoddle said: "I can understand why Spurs are looking to make [it] a football stadium. That's got to be right for the next 100 years, not the next few committee meetings. I understand the IOC saying it would be nice to keep the athletics track but it's not going to be predominantly used for athletics in the future."

 

[andyw362]

Obviously we need to move and our bid is the best. But why are we not doing more to convince the public and the fans?

Brady is using every column inch available (no pun). Where is our press release, isnt it getting abit late in the day considering the decision is on 28th Jan?

 

[Lilbaz]

Didn't like what you read so nitpicking? Its 'Wisdom in Sport' NOT Pedantry in Spelling

Can we please stop about the spelling. Do you know how hard it is to type with your nose while masturbating with one hand and holding a cup of coffee in the other, all this with a killer hangover. I'm lucky I can even see the screen :evil:

 

[SpurSince57]

Well, one hopes that he's checked his facts better than his spelling, that's for sure. And 'Statford' was in much bigger letters on WiS's

So what's he saying? That Levy has got his sums horribly wrong? That the plc has spent the last few years buying up a sizeable chunk of Tottenham and flattening it only to realise it can't fund the project? That seems not unreasonable. Of course, we then get the 'It's all Haringey's/CABE's/EH's/TfL's fault' bullshit, when the reality is that the project got the go-ahead remarkably quickly, that the extortionate sums squeezed from the plc by these 'leeches' are actually a piddling percentage of the overall cost (slightly more than has been earned in prize money from the CL, or what was spent on David Bentley). And the fact that Arsenal got public funding from Islington for the Immigrants is irrelevant.

Why is the 'expert' going on about the Victoria Line Extension? Surely he knows that was blown out of the water years ago?

He skims over the AEG connection very hurriedly, neglecting to mention that if AEG hadn't had their nose put out of joint by the Spammers Spurs wouldn't have had a hope of the OS.

 

[michaelden]

He skims over the AEG connection very hurriedly, neglecting to mention that if AEG hadn't had their nose put out of joint by the Spammers Spurs wouldn't have had a hope of the OS.

What's this? Was AEG going to link with WHU?

 

[stevenqoz]

SS57, I posted this article and I think it was from the Dear Mr Levy bloke........or on his site. I saw the Statford spelling mistake but thought it was some 'in joke'......as ever it is about opinion but tend to agree that 450m in this financial environment always seemed unlikely

 

[Lilbaz]

When did we start the NDP project? Did we realise then how tough the banks were going to be about loaning money. Look at Liverpool with Hicks and Gillett. I'm not saying that completing the NDP would be impossible but the risk have certainly got higher in the last couple of the years, if we don't get Stratford we'll find out if we can complete it (I think we will, but we better not f**k up or we could be in a world of s**t).

 

[RBlanch]

1. You could be right. You might be wrong. ENIC may be looking to maximise the share price at the expense of the club. We don't know. But nor do we know that they won't.

2. If there is no spin, why did they hire a major PR man recently? And why was there a confusion about the financials?


Sotm

1. How exactly would they manage that? Seriously it's not possible or plausible.

2. They've hired a PR man to win the bid - spending money on his wages is in the overall interest of the club.

 

[sloth]

1. How exactly would they manage that? Seriously it's not possible or plausible.

It is possible but it's one of those circular arguments proved by the premise.

In other words as long as you think you already know the answer then you can prove the argument.

For instance if you believe that the club will be irrevocably harmed by moving out of Haringey and to Newham then it's quite possible to see how something that's profitable for ENIC would not - in such a person's eyes - be good for the club.

Which is the real problem with the debate we've all been trying to have.

There's a strong section of support who do believe that the move will harm the club irrespective of the financial merit.

Their views are set in concrete and there's no way they would change their minds short of it being a choice between the club going bust or moving.

Against that there's the much weaker held view that if it makes financial sense to move to Stratford then that is in the interests of the club. It's hard to feel passionate about that though as most, if not all, would prefer to stay in Tottenham.

It's as if a bunch of religious zealots were seeking to persuade a group of agnostics to believe in god, but not by telling us of the wonders of their Lord, but instead attempting to use science to disprove the theory of evolution. In fact, now I think of it the Intelligent Design lobby seem to be an almost exact parallel.

Anyway, good luck to the passionate Spurs belong in Tottenham brigade, I think they've got little to be worried about as we won't win the bid anyway.

 

[Chris12345]

If people haven't seen, WEAREN17 seems to consist of 5 drunk guys wearing hoodies, a guy with a flare, and about 20 press photographers.

 

[StartingPrice]

It is possible but it's one of those circular arguments proved by the premise.

In other words as long as you think you already know the answer then you can prove the argument.

For instance if you believe that the club will be irrevocably harmed by moving out of Haringey and to Newham then it's quite possible to see how something that's profitable for ENIC would not - in such a person's eyes - be good for the club.

Which is the real problem with the debate we've all been trying to have.

There's a strong section of support who do believe that the move will harm the club irrespective of the financial merit.

Their views are set in concrete and there's no way they would change their minds short of it being a choice between the club going bust or moving.

Against that there's the much weaker held view that if it makes financial sense to move to Stratford then that is in the interests of the club. It's hard to feel passionate about that though as most, if not all, would prefer to stay in Tottenham.

It's as if a bunch of religious zealots were seeking to persuade a group of agnostics to believe in god, but not by telling us of the wonders of their Lord, but instead attempting to use science to disprove the theory of evolution. In fact, now I think of it the Intelligent Design lobby seem to be an almost exact parallel.

Anyway, good luck to the passionate Spurs belong in Tottenham brigade, I think they've got little to be worried about as we won't win the bid anyway.

I'm sad to say I believe this to be correct in this instance.

 

[michaelden]

If people haven't seen, WEAREN17 seems to consist of 5 drunk guys wearing hoodies, a guy with a flare, and about 20 press photographers.

Is Cameron around to restart his Hug a Hoodie campaign?

 

[yawa]

From the BBC site

1415: Some early news from Spurs, not of the team variety. Tottenham High Road has been shut off for an hour with 500 Spurs fans protesting about the proposed move to Stratford. They want the stadium redeveloped in north London. Police have arrived and there's major disruption, with directors getting there late and players using a different entrance.

 

[arnoldlayne]

When are the public going to realise that Spurs are not responsible for the waste in public money.

It is the short sightedness of the government for allowing a 500 billion stadium to be built without any clear plan of sustainability post games.

I'd be worried as well if a stadium cost 500 billion pounds! :grin:

 

[StartingPrice]

I'd be worried as well if a stadium cost 500 billion pounds! :grin:

:grin: I'd like to get the building contracts:wink:

 

[louisg]

If people haven't seen, WEAREN17 seems to consist of 5 drunk guys wearing hoodies, a guy with a flare, and about 20 press photographers.

Any photos?

 

[Lilbaz]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...venue--Olympic-stadium-end-foreign-hands.html

An article from the Mail, has a little picture of what Spurs stadium might look like at the OS. Doesn't really show much but looks nice.

 

[SpurSince57]

What's this? Was AEG going to link with WHU?

I posted that some time back. They fell out over who was going to get the lions' share of the eventz income.