New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Lilbaz]

Thanks for the clarification chaps.

You'd have thought he'd have thought about the viability before spending £70m on professional fees and buying up land around the lane :shrug:

I know things change, but that's a fuck lot of money to spend only to change your mind.

If the rumours are to be believed, maybe he thought they'd never have to pay for it. Get the club in the CL get the planning permission and everything ready, then sell. We did start this process about 6 years ago (and looked at the OS in 06) when the banks were trying to shove money in everyones pockets. Glazers/Hicks and Gillett bought entire clubs for nothing (100% mortgage), was it that out of the question to believe we could have built a new stadium?

 

[Misfit]

Thanks for the clarification chaps.

You'd have thought he'd have thought about the viability before spending £70m on professional fees and buying up land around the lane :shrug:

I know things change, but that's a fuck lot of money to spend only to change your mind.

Indeed. I'm not a "Levy is the debeeeeel" type and think that almost everything good that has happened to Spurs since I started to avidly support them in the early 90's has happened under his chairmanship.

However, not that long ago the NDP was the only show in town and serious moves were afoot which confirmed that. The last few months everything has changed. Absolutely everything.

The financial crisis happened more than two yrs ago. Not at the end of last summer.

I'd just like to know what the real reason/s is/ are is all.

 

[The_Viking]

I don't think we are being treated like mugs.

I would love to stay at WHL, but not to the detriment of the club going down the pan financially

I appreciate what you're saying and I'm very much of the same opinion. Do you think if we don't manage to get the OS that any stadium development will be financially viable? It doesn't seem like we have the cash to build a stadium of our own from scratch.

 

[sloth]

Thanks for the clarification chaps.

You'd have thought he'd have thought about the viability before spending £70m on professional fees and buying up land around the lane :shrug:

I know things change, but that's a fuck lot of money to spend only to change your mind.

If, as PT suggests, you spend money based on a current set of circumstances, but later those circumstances change, what could you have done differently? What can you do now?

A plan which is to happen over a number of years, which costs on the limit of what is affordable and which contains many variables is always going to be subject to change.

Who knows, maybe the economy would have improved more quickly? Perhaps there'd have been fewer difficulties in the planning process? Perhaps we'll qualify for CL five years in a row? Or we'll have a run of bad luck and slip back to mid-table mediocrity?

What you can't do is sit back and do nothing, wring your hands at all the what ifs and maybes. You have to plan based on what you know at your time, to do the best for the club, to the best of your ability and to your best estimate of what's doable.

That's all we can ask and it seems that's what we've done.

As I said a few pages back. Whatever happens, there shouldn't be recriminations. If we're forced to stay at WHL for the foreseeable then so be it. We can collectively roll up our metaphorical sleeves and get on with it. That's life!

 

[Lilbaz]

We probably could manage the NDP. Would it be risky, yes. Would we have to get by with a tight transfer fund for a few years, definitely. But where there's a will there's a way and Spurs have got the fucking will. Maybe negotiate with Harringey about building houses etc... or a secured loan.

 

[kishman]

We probably could manage the NDP. Would it be risky, yes. Would we have to get by with a tight transfer fund for a few years, definitely. But where there's a will there's a way and Spurs have got the fucking will. Maybe negotiate with Harringey about building houses etc... or a secured loan.

If Arsenal did it, so can we.

 

[sharky_marky]

Levy made it clear that transport links are essential to the location of our new stadium. If we are to stay in Tottenham, where is the location best served by public transport?

A site near to Tottenham Hale, served by the Victoria line and National Rail links, would appear to be the best bet. But land near to here must have been investigated for purchase before when they were looking at alternative venues in Haringey. Failing the purchase of a plot near here, it would have to be outside of the area. This could be anywhere within a closer proximity to central London - and will drag the process on for another few years...

I bet he really is praying that we get the Olympic Park site...

 

[Lilbaz]

Just had a thought. If Platini gets his way and the football calender is changed to summer. Would West Ham be able to fulfil their commitments to Cricket or Athletics?

starting to sound like an anti-BT :roll:

 

[kishman]

I really think you should tell that to the good ole boys on Glory Glory. They're out for a lynching and Levy's first in line. Listening to them you'd think he was the anti christ, and we wonder why other fans think us fickle?

The SSN headlines are very misleading, they seem to have the impression we're moving no matter what. Twats.

 

[ethanedwards]

If Arsenal did it, so can we.

Not without a Sugar daddy we won't. The NDP is not going to happen.

 

[PT]

The SSN headlines are very misleading, they seem to have the impression we're moving no matter what. Twats.

I just watched SSN for a synopsis and caught the Levy interview.

He didn't say it outright but as good as inclined that at present, if we fail to win the OS bid, the NDP isn't viable. When pushed on that he suggested other sites would be taken in to consideration.

David Lammy then came on to reaffirm that were the Club to relocate out of Tottenham, he would fight for the name to be lfet behind for whatever football club took on the mantle of representation.

 

[punky]

If (and it's a big if as I didn't see it) the guys on glory glory are accurately portraying what was said, essentially Levy has said even if we don't get the Olympic Site we'll be moving out of Tottenham.

Can someone corroborate this?

That's wrong mate.

You can listen to the whole (unabridged) interview here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00xwk54/Sportsweek_23_01_2011/

Levy starts at about 15:50

He says that the NDP is not viable. When pushed on what happens if he doesn't get the OS he does say he'll go back to Haringey council and see what can be done to make it viable. When pushed about whether Spurs will look elsewhere than the NDP or OS he says "We'll keep an open mind"

I don't think Levy is hell bent on taking us out of Tottenham but the NDP can compromise the security and Levy won't risk it.

 

[ethanedwards]

That's wrong mate.

You can listen to the whole (unabridged) interview here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00xwk54/Sportsweek_23_01_2011/

Levy starts at about 15:50

He says that the NDP is not viable. When pushed on what happens if he doesn't get the OS he does say he'll go back to Haringey council and see what can be done to make it viable. When pushed about whether Spurs will look elsewhere than the NDP or OS he says "We'll keep an open mind"

I don't think Levy is hell bent on taking us out of Tottenham but the NDP can compromise the security and Levy won't risk it.

Is this the same interview as Skysports tonight.

 

[punky]

Thanks for the clarification chaps.

You'd have thought he'd have thought about the viability before spending £70m on professional fees and buying up land around the lane :shrug:

I know things change, but that's a fuck lot of money to spend only to change your mind.

Levy did say they enquired about the OS 6 years ago. So they obvious had reservations then. They knew the fans wouldn't want a move so tried to make the NDP work.

Although the project wasn't greenlighted it made sense to buy up properties as they came available anyway. If they waited until the project was greenlighted then all the chancers would have already got in and would hold out for stupid money. It would end up needing hundreds of compulsary purchase orders. The professional fees will be lost but although property prices fluctuate generally speaking they will go up. So even if the plug gets pulled on the NDP they'll still sell property above cost even if they have to hang on to it for a couple of years.

I don't think they suddenly did the maths and found it unviable. I think it's a cumulation of a lot of factors. The recession affecting naming rights revenue, Haringey digging their heels in about the transport and won't cought up anything either because of the recession and then all the special interest groups blocking the project because of this old beuilding or that old building.

My thoughts on moving go back and forth but through all this, I do have a respect for Levy. I don't think Levy is saying "The fans? Fuck 'em, we've got money to make here guys".

 

[JollyHappy]

I'm not going to ready all the thread but why can't we redevelop stand by stand to increase to, say 50,000?

 

[MattyP]

My thoughts on moving go back and forth but through all this, I do have a respect for Levy. I don't think Levy is saying "The fans? Fuck 'em, we've got money to make here guys".

Really? He has come out tonight and said "I think the fans will come round".

And considering they have stated repeatedly about fan consultation, he's making an awful lot of noises without sounding out any fans, as far as I know.

I have had a lot of respect for Levy, but he is in danger of losing it. And a fair few fans as well.

I'm not going to ready all the thread but why can't we redevelop stand by stand to increase to, say 50,000?

The money it would cost to do so, coupled with the lack on naming rights to name but two.

 

[kishman]

Really? He has come out tonight and said "I think the fans will come round".

And considering they have stated repeatedly about fan consultation, he's making an awful lot of noises without sounding out any fans, as far as I know.

I have had a lot of respect for Levy, but he is in danger of losing it. And a fair few fans as well.

Completely agree with you there.

 

[StartingPrice]

I just want a new stadium that will allow us to compete...preferrably in the environs of WHL, or elsewhere in Tottehham.

What I don't want is for borad members and fans to start turning on one another, in this pivotal season, and attacking like ravenous dogs.

 

[SpurSince57]

Levy did say they enquired about the OS 6 years ago. So they obvious had reservations then. They knew the fans wouldn't want a move so tried to make the NDP work.

Although the project wasn't greenlighted it made sense to buy up properties as they came available anyway. If they waited until the project was greenlighted then all the chancers would have already got in and would hold out for stupid money. It would end up needing hundreds of compulsary purchase orders. The professional fees will be lost but although property prices fluctuate generally speaking they will go up. So even if the plug gets pulled on the NDP they'll still sell property above cost even if they have to hang on to it for a couple of years.

I don't think they suddenly did the maths and found it unviable. I think it's a cumulation of a lot of factors. The recession affecting naming rights revenue, Haringey digging their heels in about the transport and won't cought up anything either because of the recession and then all the special interest groups blocking the project because of this old beuilding or that old building.

My thoughts on moving go back and forth but through all this, I do have a respect for Levy. I don't think Levy is saying "The fans? Fuck 'em, we've got money to make here guys".

The club has been buying up land north of the ground almost since ENIC took over, through Kemsley's Rock Investments.

Transport is nothing to do with Haringey; the council can make representations to TfL, but that's all; the Victoria Line extension isn't going to happen because it's economically unviable. It's also pretty rich people crying 'Foul!' when Newham take out a loan to help the Spammers' bid and then complaining when Haringey won't do the same for Spurs; the council has also pushed through the deal with quite unusual haste for a project of this scale. Among the special interest groups wanting 'this old building and that old building' preserved were supporters concerned that these were also part of Spurs' heritage.

A lot of the 'problems' could and should have been foreseen. It's difficult to believe that a man of Levy's ability dropped a clanger here.

 

[SpurSince57]

I'm not going to ready all the thread but why can't we redevelop stand by stand to increase to, say 50,000?

If we had some architects and project engineers/managers on SC they could tell you why or why not. I think we probably could, starting with a massive expansion of the existing West Stand, but the drawback would be that it would be a bit of a lash-up.