New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Lilbaz]

If its meant to be the tower in jeddah (1000m) supposedly will take 5 years.

Anyway still hope we can start next summer.

 

[stevenurse]

The women and Children comment is ridiculous to be honest. Celtic seem to get an incredible atmosphere despite being all seater or is there a ban on women and children at celtic park?

Id rather be in a stadium that is all seater and i have a decent view, safer and not be crushed by some fat fucker with BO problems. Even the Pana fans last night seemed to be incredible, a lot like our away support. The seats arent the issue with creating an atmosphere.

 

[Krafty]

If its meant to be the tower in jeddah (1000m) supposedly will take 5 years.

Anyway still hope we can start next summer.

I think its a tower in China that will be built in 90 days, has something like 16 helipads, 4 cinemas, 6 hotels, etc etc. Its been pre-fabricated so they just piece it together like lego, but more so.

 

[spud]

I think its a tower in China that will be built in 90 days, has something like 16 helipads, 4 cinemas, 6 hotels, etc etc. Its been pre-fabricated so they just piece it together like lego, but more so.

I'm by no means an expert, but 90 days!!? Must just be the superstructure - I can't believe that all of the infrastructure will be done in that time - let alone the fittings etc.

 

[Krafty]

I'm by no means an expert, but 90 days!!? Must just be the superstructure - I can't believe that all of the infrastructure will be done in that time - let alone the fittings etc.

It is China, there will be plenty of labour on site, but then again a lot buildings are 'completed' but still need the people that rent out the office space or want to run the hotels/cinemas to do the finishing touches

 

[Lilbaz]

Good luck to them, our stadium isn't prefabricated and will take longer than 90 days so theres not much point in discussing the chinese skyscraper.
Any pictures of the new sainsburys (god im sad).

 

[JimmyG2]

Good luck to them, our stadium isn't prefabricated and will take longer than 90 days so theres not much point in discussing the chinese skyscraper.
Any pictures of the new sainsburys (god im sad).

If you've seen one Sainsburys you've seen them all.
Round here anyway.
What floor is the pitch on in the Chineses skyscraper?

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

The plot thickens!!

http://www.london.gov.uk/media/press...tion-tottenham

Mayor welcomes report urging 'bold action' for Tottenham
12 DECEMBER 2012
The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has welcomed the findings of a new report that calls for the formation of a regeneration body dedicated to improving the prospects of people living and working in Tottenham.

Published by the Independent Panel on Tottenham, which was convened by the Mayor after the riots in 2011, the report outlines a number of key challenges that should be tackled in partnership by the London Borough of Haringey, the Greater London Authority (GLA) and central Government.

Chaired by leading property developer, Sir Stuart Lipton, the panel recommends the creation of a dedicated organisation to spearhead Tottenham’s regeneration, with representation from the borough, the GLA, the Government, as well as those with relevant expertise from the public and private sectors.

The Mayor, who will be considering the report closely as part of his own strategy for the area, made Tottenham a key priority for regeneration before the disturbances. Since then he has allocated £28m worth of funding to support development and regeneration in the area, including better transport links, public realm improvements and help to boost employment opportunities.

As well as support to help unlock the development of the North Tottenham and Northumberland Park areas, the Mayor’s funding has also been used to help transform the site of the borough’s former planning offices, which were burnt out during the riots, into a new community hub at 639 High Road as part of the Mayor’s Team London volunteering initiative.

The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, said: “What happened in Tottenham last year was a wake up call to us all and I am determined that those scenes should never be repeated. There can be no doubt that Tottenham needs greater support in grappling with the challenge of delivering jobs and improved infrastructure and this report details the challenges we face to achieve this. The idea of a new organisation to help drive forward lasting change in Tottenham is particularly compelling and one that I will be looking at closely. I’d like to thank Sir Stuart and all of the team who’ve worked hard on this report, which puts renewed focus on a part of London that has been overlooked for far too long.”

Sir Stuart Lipton, Chair of the Independent Panel on Tottenham, said: “A new vision for Tottenham will create real change for the community producing growth and social change. The GLA have already shown their financial support and commitment for new projects. Opportunities in Tottenham will allow Government to implement existing policies for change which, with appropriate substantial financial support, will make a real difference to the area.”

As well as the establishment of a new regeneration body, the panel’s report identifies a number ofkey challenges which the Mayor agrees need to be addressed, including improved housing and transport links, increased employment opportunities, better community relations with the police, better youth engagement and the need to improve Tottenham’s public image.

The Mayor’s Chief of Staff, Sir Edward Lister and the Leader of Haringey Council, Councillor Claire Kober, will meet early in the New Year to discuss the report’s findings and the future plans for Tottenham’s regeneration in more detail.

Notes to editors

The report, ‘It Took Another Riot’, can be viewed and downloaded online at http://www.london.gov.uk/priorities/...eneration-fund

Sir Stuart Lipton was appointed by the Mayor of London in December 2011 to act as a champion for Tottenham following last year's riots. He has chaired an independent panel of experts to produce this report, meeting with large numbers of local community members, activists, volunteers and representatives, some of whose comments are included throughout this document.

Several members of this group, including Sir Stuart, have also sat separately on the Tottenham Taskforce alongside representatives of the London Borough of Haringey, as well as David Lammy MP, meeting fortnightly to discuss and aid the council's regeneration activities.

The members of the panel include:
• Brian Boylan, Wolff Olins
• Rana Brightman, Wolff Olins
• Andrew Campling, British Telecom
• Paul Finch OBE, Design Council Cabe
• Matthew Girt, Diocese of London
• Roger Graef, Criminologist
• Kay Horne, Business in the Community
• Don Levett, Report Author
• Sir Stuart Lipton, Chairman of the Independent Panel on Tottenham
• Tony Travers, London School of Economics

Since the riots/civil disturbances, £28m of GLA funding has been allocated to Haringey to support development and delivery of regeneration priorities in Tottenham by London Borough of Haringey. This funding is linked to £12.8m of funding provided by LB Haringey creating a total of £40.8m to invest in the social, economic and environmental transformation of the area.

The projects focus on the following interventions:

£0.6m to develop a regeneration and investment strategy that sets out opportunities and delivery options for the Tottenham area in the short and medium terms.
£27 million in the North Tottenham/Northumberland Park area to support transport infrastructure and public realm improvements to help unlock proposals for the major stadium-led regeneration scheme.
£2.9 million into a package of works to improve the High Road, bringing disused buildings back into use, paving the way for growth in terms of housing, employment and community.
£3.7 million to support an Opportunity Investment Fund that will be managed to purchase key sites and bring forward development and commercial opportunity on the High Road and at Tottenham Hale.
£3.6 million for an Employment and Skills programme to provide support for hard to reach young people and problem families in terms of employability, access to jobs and skills training.
£3 million to transform 639 High Road into an enterprise centre for use by the community.

Work on the regeneration and investment strategy has been ongoing since July 2012 while the repair and re-fit of 639 High Road commenced in August, and both are due for completion in early 2013.

Works to improve the High Road and Northumberland Park through the North Tottenham/Northumberland Park project commenced in late-September, and a co-ordinated series of events including public art exhibitions, markets, film screenings, a carnival and a winter festival were held in venues along the High Road, in Bruce Castle Park and on Tottenham Green between June and early-December.

Regarding next year, design work is underway to enhance Tottenham Green, improving facilities and links with local civic buildings, and will be delivered by late-summer 2013. The 639 High Road community enterprise hub will be open for business from March 2013, and work is also underway to provide more design options to improve the High Road in 2013.

The delivery of this work is being integrated where necessary alongside other works in the area, such as the improvements by TfL to convert the Tottenham Hale Gyratory into two-way working.

The vast majority is for "transport infrastructure and public realm improvements" on Northumberland Park.

Tube extension?

 

[Sum Monsterism]

Tube extension?

Not for £27m surely? It's for widening bus lanes and creating cycle paths.

Burrowing underground for miles must cost far more than that... I would have thought.

 

[mpickard2087]

The plot thickens!!

http://www.london.gov.uk/media/press...tion-tottenham




The vast majority is for "transport infrastructure and public realm improvements" on Northumberland Park.

Tube extension?

You'd have to add a zero or two on for that!

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

Not for £27m surely? It's for widening bus lanes and creating cycle paths.

Burrowing underground for miles must cost far more than that... I would have thought.

Burrowing underground isn't needed. The lines are already there. There is a Victoria Line Depot at Northumberland Park.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

You'd have to add a zero or two on for that!

No way. The platforms already there too! Would just need a smallish station, make the platform code compliant and the external works. for the station. Plus leasing a few eateries / coffee shop inside would help with the financing

 

[Sum Monsterism]

The underground developments of recent years have (and still do) run into billions of pounds across the infrastructure.

I can't see £27m doing very much. It's to cover 27 boris bikes. Guaranteed.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

The underground developments of recent years have (and still do) run into billions of pounds across the infrastructure.

I can't see £27m doing very much. It's to cover 27 boris bikes. Guaranteed.

Ok, I can see you're not understanding.

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THE TUBE LINES ARE ALREADY THERE. ​

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THERE IS NO TUNNELING NEEDED.​

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[davidmatzdorf]

I doubt the money is for a tube station for the stadium. How would that assist the regeneration scheme? It would assist the football fans who come to matches from outside Tottenham. The stadium transport plans were approved without a new station - figuring out how to do that stalled the project for some years, but it's sorted now.

The investment needed now is to improve the character of the public spaces in the neighbourhood, so it doesn't 'read' like a depressed slum. Public transport improvements can be delivered at much lower cost than a new tube station and then the balance of the money can be spent on other things, especially the kind of improvements that will attract employers who can provide decently-paid jobs in the area.

 

[bigturnip]

Seeing as the extension from Surrey Quays to Clapham junction cost just £80m, because most of the track was already there, and that involved tarting up 7 stations, I don't see why the northumberland park extension couldn't be done for £27m. However, I thought that the land on which the station would be built was owned by Network Rail and they won't sell it because they want to double up the track on the West Anglia Main Line.

 

[Lilbaz]

A possible tube extention isn't going to be looked at till 2017 (i think). Sorry can't remember where that came from, and i can't be arsed looking through the last hundred pages on skyscrapercity to look for it.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

I doubt the money is for a tube station for the stadium. How would that assist the regeneration scheme? It would assist the football fans who come to matches from outside Tottenham. The stadium transport plans were approved without a new station - figuring out how to do that stalled the project for some years, but it's sorted now.

The investment needed now is to improve the character of the public spaces in the neighbourhood, so it doesn't 'read' like a depressed slum. Public transport improvements can be delivered at much lower cost than a new tube station and then the balance of the money can be spent on other things, especially the kind of improvements that will attract employers who can provide decently-paid jobs in the area.

How would that assist the regeneration scheme? I would've thought it would be key to the regeneration scheme. A direct Underground link to Central London is what the area desperately needs. The house prices go up. The stress on the bus network on match day especially is alleviated at Seven Sisters. I just cannot see anything but benefits for the area.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

How would that assist the regeneration scheme? I would've thought it would be key to the regeneration scheme. A direct Underground link to Central London is what the area desperately needs. The house prices go up. The stress on the bus network on match day especially is alleviated at Seven Sisters. I just cannot see anything but benefits for the area.

There are several tube stations already that serve Tottenham. It's just that none of them is near the stadium. Aside from Seven Ssters, Tottenham Hale and Blackhorse Rd are on the Victoria Line and South Tottenham is on the Overground.

There's nothing about these announcements that would suggest 'tube station' to me. If they were going to create a new station, a fuss would be made and we would be hearing about discussions with the various rail and transport bodies. There would be leaks and rumours. Instead, there isn't even speculation.

The main issue with Tottenham isn't getting people in and out, it's providing jobs - and good quality affordable housing - in Tottenham, so people can live and work there. In the absence of new, modern affordable housing, higher property values would just make matters more difficult for local people. Rents and property prices are already unaffordable. The neighbourhood needs decently-paid employment in locally-based businesses and affordable housing that isn't located in isolated, badly-maintained estates with minimal services and few shops.

 

[Lilbaz]

I think a tube station will make it far easier to get to the city/west end/cw attracting house buyers who work in those areas. These are the people that will drive regeneration with the demand for shops/services etc...