New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Grey Fox]

Just get it done FFS I will be dead by the time its finished at this rate

 

[absolute bobbins]

I know this may be either too early to ask or has already been done to death but after the last couple of weeks at the Lane the playing surface has been shocking! Are we going to be installing a Desso hybrid pitch or just stckl with normal grass?

I know our friends in Islington have one and whilst there is a lot of things wrong with that stadium, namely colour, fans, players and staff, the pitch isn't one of them

 

[Jimmypearce7]

SpursIdol and DavidMatzdorf, thank you for the updates, appreciated. Looks hopeful but as it has rumbled on so long, would be great to get the announcement that we are going ahead.
Of course we only want that when the Board have decided we are in a position to do that- the building of the West Stand and the reconstruction of the East both stuffed our finances to the extent that the board in charge had to give up control and the financial pressures effected the team- particularly on the East, so excited by the new ground but only if we can afford it!

 

[Grey Fox]

SpursIdol and DavidMatzdorf, thank you for the updates, appreciated. Looks hopeful but as it has rumbled on so long, would be great to get the announcement that we are going ahead.
Of course we only want that when the Board have decided we are in a position to do that- the building of the West Stand and the reconstruction of the East both stuffed our finances to the extent that the board in charge had to give up control and the financial pressures effected the team- particularly on the East, so excited by the new ground but only if we can afford it!

Agreed, but I don't think we can afford not to. Knowing this club we will get it finished the season we get relegated!

 

[beats1]

I know this may be either too early to ask or has already been done to death but after the last couple of weeks at the Lane the playing surface has been shocking! Are we going to be installing a Desso hybrid pitch or just stckl with normal grass?

I know our friends in Islington have one and whilst there is a lot of things wrong with that stadium, namely colour, fans, players and staff, the pitch isn't one of them

Im almost certain it would grass to be honest and our pitch for the last couple of season has been amazing to be honest may be the freak weather is causing havoc

A poster on SO has posted the following suggestions, which are worthwhile a read :

David Lammy indicated (via a tweet) the stadium build would start in December 2013 at the earliest, so allowing for inevitable slippage and assuming all that needs to be done is done (especially financing), the timetable should work as follows :

Early 2014 Stadium stage A build begins (16 -18 months)
Summer 2015 Demolition of Paxton Road stand; pitch laid in new stadium. Stadium stage B build begins (12 months)
Season 2015-16 Played in the two-thirds finished new stadium (capacity about 38k)
Summer 2016 New stadium complete Season 2016-17.First season in the complete stadium Old stadium demolition completed Southern Development begins. So... the team will run out at the two-thirds completed
stadium in time for the beginning of the 2015-16 season. They will run out at the finally completed
stadium in time for the beginning of the 2016-17 season

That timetable assumes all can be sorted out in time. From what we know, there could be three main interacting issues to resolve.

(1) The Stadium Approach. Perhaps slower progress with this would not affect the start of the stadium construction but if there are financial implications for THFC, then it could.

(2) Getting the finances in place, which we've known all along. Maybe a framework has already been agreed, maybe not. Presumably the naming rights contract is the major variable here.

(3) It's possible that getting a final decision on the Northumberland Park to Stratford line is important. It could affect the number of corporates able to travel from the City and Canary Wharf and thus the demand for premium seats. It would also affect the approach to the Southern Development, though maybe decisions about that do not delay the start of stadium construction.

That is a season earlier than my prediction/estimate if we were to start in january

Wasn't having a pop at you (or the person who initially posted it) but as a starting point I'd be very surprised if work begins before the end of next season. I think if we were further forward than that then there'd have been more of a grand announcement by now.

I think somewhere in this thread I jokingly said it wouldn't be done until 2020. I'm actually now not so sure that'll be so far off the actual completion date.

Indeed whilst I agree with you, we should note that Arsenal made no statement from what I gathered for the same period as us now and then made announcement that financing was secured and construction started straight away and in 2 and half years they built a full stadium, a couple of bridges as well as dealing with the foundations on the area, so that timeline isnt that crazy as it sounds

They also made the Station as well iirc and the club museum and all that shite

 

[davidmatzdorf]

A poster on SO has posted the following suggestions...

Who was it? I used to be a member there and I know quite a lot of them, some in real life as well as online.

 

[Dinghy]

Im almost certain it would grass to be honest and our pitch for the last couple of season has been amazing to be honest may be the freak weather is causing havoc

IIRC for the last couple of years we have had a hybrid grass in place at WHL...

 

[Gb160]

IIRC for the last couple of years we have had a hybrid grass in place at WHL...

Ours,United,City,Liverpool,and the scum all have hybrid pitches ,all installed by the same Dutch company,Desso.
Statistically speaking,these pitches reduce the chance of injuries ....given our recent injury hell,surely we qualify for a full refund.

Edit: just checked,It seems Desso have pretty much done the entire premier league.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desso_GrassMaster

 

[Spursidol]

Who was it? I used to be a member there and I know quite a lot of them, some in real life as well as online.

Cockspur. Not a property man I think, but a generally reasonably astute poster

 

[Spursidol]

Wasn't having a pop at you (or the person who initially posted it) but as a starting point I'd be very surprised if work begins before the end of next season. I think if we were further forward than that then there'd have been more of a grand announcement by now.

I think somewhere in this thread I jokingly said it wouldn't be done until 2020. I'm actually now not so sure that'll be so far off the actual completion date.

Cheers thanks, never thought you wre having a pop, as you and the other mods run a very good site.

More annoyed with myself when I re-read what I had posted at not making the risk of slippage from a tight tiomeline more clear, as I had done in the post above the one you commented on.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Cockspur. Not a property man I think, but a generally reasonably astute poster

Exactly. Nice chap.

 

[Krafty]

Ours,United,City,Liverpool,and the scum all have hybrid pitches ,all installed by the same Dutch company,Desso.
Statistically speaking,these pitches reduce the chance of injuries ....given our recent injury hell,surely we qualify for a full refund.

Edit: just checked,It seems Desso have pretty much done the entire premier league.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desso_GrassMaster

It was also completely relaid last summer.

 

[camaj]

I think if we were further forward than that then there'd have been more of a grand announcement by now.

What are you expecting? I wouldn't expect any announcement before construction begins, simply because construction has begun, albeit on the supermarket. I get the impression that they won't do anything until that's almost finished. I think the best we'll get is some announcement on the OS about the foundations being laid with no forewarning

 

[Graysonti]

Serious question.

Is this getting built because I'm not convinced - and the supermarket does NOT mean its getting built before you say.

 

[Achap]

Serious question.

Is this getting built because I'm not convinced - and the supermarket does NOT mean its getting built before you say.

Equally serious question.

What exactly - after all the land acquisitions, CPOs, design costs, planning permissions, Mayoral and Council negotiations, and commitments from all parties - makes you so doubtful that it will be built?

 

[Graysonti]

Equally serious question.

What exactly - after all the land acquisitions, CPOs, design costs, planning permissions, Mayoral and Council negotiations, and commitments from all parties - makes you so doubtful that it will be built?

It's that final, big money commitment. I'm not sure our owners want to make it.

 

[CJMurray]

Serious question.

Is this getting built because I'm not convinced - and the supermarket does NOT mean its getting built before you say.

FFS can you stop coming in this thread every time we have a bad game and making the same post? Man up.

 

[Spur-of-the-moment]

It's that final, big money commitment. I'm not sure our owners want to make it.

You are not sure of anything, my friend. Our owners would be very silly indeed if they went this far and then decided to go no farther.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

It's that final, big money commitment. I'm not sure our owners want to make it.

Here's the polite version: read the fucking thread and stop being a repetitive dick.

Which bit of "borrowing money for development is extremely difficult since 2008" is not clear? Which bit do you not comprehend?

Do you think they're going to write a cheque for the whole £450m+? No, it's going to be borrowed money. You may have noticed there has been an issue with the banks for the past 5 years.

When they can arrange the finance and the naming rights, they will build the stadium. That might be in 3 weeks and it might be in 3 years, but it's not something that is related to any reluctance on the part of the club to build it. On the contrary, the only way ENIC is ever going to make a serious capital gain out of THFC is to build the bloody stadium. It's the central plank of their business plan - to build a new stadium, greatly increase the capital value of the business and then, eventually, sell up at a big profit.

I must have posted that on this thread 7 or 8 times and so have others. Read it. Understand it. Then stop moaning out the same old whinge every couple of weeks, as if the rest of us hadn't spent hours and hours on this thread trying to keep people like you informed. It's fucking disrespectful.

 

[SpurSince57]

Why 56k and not 60k capacity I'm not happy.

Because when the theoretical capacity was 65k we only occasionally came close to meeting it.

Because empty seats look bad.

Because empty seats mean punters won't buy season tickets if they know they can turn up on the day.

Because Levy and his advisors have done their homework and you haven't.