New Stadium Details And Discussions

[N17Jack]

My left foot?

 

[225]

Concept video:



Edit..........although this is 'doing the rounds' now, I've just noticed it's from 2009. I wonder if the plans have changed much in essence?

I'd be worried if, even in 2009, a company working on a £500m stadium were using (or creating) software that looked like it came free with a 1996 copy of PC Magazine.



It's essentially a crap bit of software that someone has used to try and guess/recreate the stadium design back in 2009. About as genuine as anything on Alibaba.com

 

[longtimespur]

My left foot?

Gazza's nuts

 

[longtimespur]

I've just found this posted by "tommyboy" on COYS and thought it well worth putting in this thread.


"I'm lucky enough to be quite close to the stadium project but can't say much (more than my jobs worth) but I can tell you it's all systems go, we are very serious about building the stadium and it is happening. You have no ide how much work has gone into getting us to the position we're in now. Also it's worth noting that Daniel Levy is very passionate about Spurs and wanting the best for our club

Stadiums are notoriously difficult to get off the ground and unlike Chelsea & Liverpool who have been trying to get their schemes off the ground for just as long we won't be settling for a compromised solution + teams like Everton who are still no-where near! "

 

[Spursidol]

When we assuned Spurs would need to move stadiums for a year in 2016/17, there lots of rumours we would groundshare with Wham at the Olympic Stadium, but Wham had a hissyfit and it emerged that they had a right of veto over any other PL club playing there in the first year of their occupancy.

Now that we are looking to move out for 2017/18, I wonder if the groundshare is possibly back on (and in Wham's 2nd year they have no right of veto) , but we have not finalised things with Olympic Stadium (and indeed PL who would need to ensure they do not arrange home matches for us both on the same weekend) - of course we might also be using MK Dons ground for domestic cup/EL matches to avoid midweek clashes to spread the matches around and minimise clashes.

No basis for this, but IMO a 2 stadium approah for groundshare might be more practical to avoid clashes of home fixtures with whoever we groundshare with.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

When we assuned Spurs would need to move stadiums for a year in 2016/17, there lots of rumours we would groundshare with Wham at the Olympic Stadium, but Wham had a hissyfit and it emerged that they had a right of veto over any other PL club playing there in the first year of their occupancy.

Now that we are looking to move out for 2017/18, I wonder if the groundshare is possibly back on (and in Wham's 2nd year they have no right of veto) , but we have not finalised things with Olympic Stadium (and indeed PL who would need to ensure they do not arrange home matches for us both on the same weekend) - of course we might also be using MK Dons ground for domestic cup/EL matches to avoid midweek clashes to spread the matches around and minimise clashes.

No basis for this, but IMO a 2 stadium approah for groundshare might be more practical to avoid clashes of home fixtures with whoever we groundshare with.

But haven't the club ruled out the Olympic Stadium?

 

[Saoirse]

Who said its the only viable option ? Have you got a statement we haven't seen ? Why don't you wait for the club then ? Until they say why, you can't moan about something they haven't even said yet !

Some people. Seriously. Hold your tongue until we hear from the horses mouth. You're bashing the club for no reason at the moment. Conjecture and hearsay are nothing to give the club shit for. Unless you just like doing it ?

They've said it's this or Wembley for a start, with no explanation as to what happened to the other options on the table. And it was accompanied by a whole lot of stuff about how there "may only be one option" etc etc...

 

[Spursidol]

But haven't the club ruled out the Olympic Stadium?

The THST minutes say they are still considering options - no reason why they will not re-assess various options in the next year or so before a decision has to be made in respect of 2017/18.

 

[fatspur]

When we assuned Spurs would need to move stadiums for a year in 2016/17, there lots of rumours we would groundshare with Wham at the Olympic Stadium, but Wham had a hissyfit and it emerged that they had a right of veto over any other PL club playing there in the first year of their occupancy.

Now that we are looking to move out for 2017/18, I wonder if the groundshare is possibly back on (and in Wham's 2nd year they have no right of veto) , but we have not finalised things with Olympic Stadium (and indeed PL who would need to ensure they do not arrange home matches for us both on the same weekend) - of course we might also be using MK Dons ground for domestic cup/EL matches to avoid midweek clashes to spread the matches around and minimise clashes.

No basis for this, but IMO a 2 stadium approah for groundshare might be more practical to avoid clashes of home fixtures with whoever we groundshare with.

alway assuming Spammers still in the Prem by then. We can but hope they will revert to form

 

[Speedy]

My understanding of the wembley situation is, the licencing ( ie, image rights, merchandise, general event restrictions etc ) applies to 20 events per year at full capacity. Brent council ordered this in the consultation for the rebuild, the stadium was always in use either as a football ground, or stadium events and also dog track and occasionally boxing iirc but back then england friendlies managed 30-40k. As many have noted, stadiums bring very little to an area outside of big games a handful of times a year so maximising the venue calander is a big deal. Also, the FA headquarters is based there and have different sponsorships and priorities.

The ladies england team have been playing there all year because the ground is at 50k capacity or lower and so the restrictions do not apply. The NFL have been sniffing because they are looking at playing more games but don't want to settle for 50k, they want the whole lot. So we could be waiting for that decision also, presumably will be taken in the close season.

 

[yankspurs]

My understanding of the wembley situation is, the licencing ( ie, image rights, merchandise, general event restrictions etc ) applies to 20 events per year at full capacity. Brent council ordered this in the consultation for the rebuild, the stadium was always in use either as a football ground, or stadium events and also dog track and occasionally boxing iirc but back then england friendlies managed 30-40k. As many have noted, stadiums bring very little to an area outside of big games a handful of times a year so maximising the venue calander is a big deal. Also, the FA headquarters is based there and have different sponsorships and priorities.

The ladies england team have been playing there all year because the ground is at 50k capacity or lower and so the restrictions do not apply. The NFL have been sniffing because they are looking at playing more games but don't want to settle for 50k, they want the whole lot. So we could be waiting for that decision also, presumably will be taken in the close season.

The NFL wont be getting a team in London. No matter what anyone says, it's not happening. Wayyy too much logistical issues that cant be worked out unless tectonic plates moves the 2 continents closer together in 2 years for shorter flights, or the concorde makes a return with planes that are bigger, safer, cheaper but still maintain the same speed.

 

[Hoopspur]

I'd be worried if, even in 2009, a company working on a £500m stadium were using (or creating) software that looked like it came free with a 1996 copy of PC Magazine.



It's essentially a crap bit of software that someone has used to try and guess/recreate the stadium design back in 2009. About as genuine as anything on Alibaba.com

Not really fair on the person (a fan perhaps?) that tried to create this back in 2009.

The NFL wont be getting a team in London. No matter what anyone says, it's not happening. Wayyy too much logistical issues that cant be worked out unless tectonic plates moves the 2 continents closer together in 2 years for shorter flights, or the concorde makes a return with planes that are bigger, safer, cheaper but still maintain the same speed.

I've heard representatives talking about this on the radio though. They talk of blocks of games - say 3 or 4 at a time based in London as opposed to continuous travelling by the 'home team'. Opposition teams that do play here will only need to fly in once per team whilst the 'home' team will be based here for a period of time. As most teams fly around the States it won't be any great deal. It will distort the league slightly but it's something that they are actively exploring.

What that actually does to those sharing the stadium though will remain to be seen or proposed.

 

[worcestersauce]

But haven't the club ruled out the Olympic Stadium?

The club haven't ruled out anything and they haven't ruled in anything, that's why we are all in such a tizzy

 

[225]

Not really fair on the person (a fan perhaps?) that tried to create this back in 2009.

You mean the user "Broad Stadium 3D" who is trying to market their software based on "high quality" stadium and "archiectural" 3D models?

http://www.bstadium3d.blogspot.co.uk/

Criticising a professional service is quite fair, and probably the reason they seem to no longer be in business.

 

[whitesocks]

Here's an idea - why don't we play our home games in the states for a year?
The grounds would be packed; it would raise our profile X100; it would boost the premier league and all the other clubs in it.
We could still play the europa and cup games in mk or wembley.
And with squad rotation, we could keep a core number of players out there to reduce travel fatigue.

It is not a strategy to win the league, but these are exceptional circumstances,
and we could make a bit of money. It is just a short term solution and a win win win for everyone.

 

[225]

Here's an idea - why don't we play our home games in the states for a year?
The grounds would be packed; it would raise our profile X100; it would boost the premier league and all the other clubs in it.
We could still play the europa and cup games in mk or wembley.
And with squad rotation, we could keep a core number of players out there to reduce travel fatigue.

It is not a strategy to win the league, but these are exceptional circumstances,
and we could make a bit of money. It is just a short term solution and a win win win for everyone.

Not sure if this is a joke - if not, it's probably the strangest idea ever, and probably would get us booted out of the league.

 

[Hoopspur]

Here's an idea - why don't we play our home games in the states for a year?
The grounds would be packed; it would raise our profile X100; it would boost the premier league and all the other clubs in it.

Not sure if this is a joke - if not, it's probably the strangest idea ever, and probably would get us booted out of the league.

Streuth 225, loosen. This and the previous answer to my post. Take it easy and be creative.

Scenario. Why does the NFL want to come to the UK really? To try boost their 'relatively insular' game globally. In the meantime we have a major product globally that's getting bigger and bigger and the States is the last really huge market to fully take over. I don't believe for a second that Whitesocks was fully serious but it could (although won't) be something to consider. Why would we get booted out of the League when it would be done fully with the League's blessing and actual participation? The Leagues product taking a another major foothold in the US. Short term only of course but win win - he/she's right.

Only problem as I see it is it could be too successful - yikes!!

Of course it won't happen - I think?! Milton Keynes or Seattle or Chicago for a season, what would you prefer if we're talking about the advancement of THFC? You never know, we might even get free official THFC matches on our computesr! Of course for 9 months we probably would not be able to go and give up our ST's but it would be an 'amnesty'. I'd probably be prepared to do that for a season but you never know, the club could even see the benefit and be prepared to subsidise my travel for one of those games?

*Anyway and in addition, I enjoyed my dodgy 3D fly through of New Naming Rights from 2009. Shame no one else has bothered to do one at the moment but trust they will do when the new application is published using their own dodgy software.

 

[Flashspur]

Here's an idea - why don't we play our home games in the states for a year?
The grounds would be packed; it would raise our profile X100; it would boost the premier league and all the other clubs in it.
We could still play the europa and cup games in mk or wembley.
And with squad rotation, we could keep a core number of players out there to reduce travel fatigue.

It is not a strategy to win the league, but these are exceptional circumstances,
and we could make a bit of money. It is just a short term solution and a win win win for everyone.

I love the idea...but too radical for some obviously

 

[jambreck]

The NFL wont be getting a team in London. No matter what anyone says, it's not happening. Wayyy too much logistical issues that cant be worked out unless tectonic plates moves the 2 continents closer together in 2 years for shorter flights, or the concorde makes a return with planes that are bigger, safer, cheaper but still maintain the same speed.

Maybe.

Maybe not.

The following was posted earlier today by Rob67 on the skyscrapercity thread. It seems to suggest that, at the very least, the idea is still being considered very seriously. It also makes clear that they are most definitely looking at options other than just Wembley:

NFL UK Questionnaire
Just thought I would let you guys know the NFL UK have been emailing past attendants of the London NFL games a questionnaire, they do this most years for feedback, but this one is a bit different, it is aimed at where you would be prepared to watch the games.

It asked which football team you supported.

And then gave you a list of London venues for you to put in an order of preferences.
From: THFC, AFC, WHUFC, CFC, QPRFC, Twickenham & Wembley.

It then asked which of these venues you would not be prepared to visit for an NFL game.

So it looks like Wembley is not done and dusted.

 

[yankspurs]

Maybe.

Maybe not.

The following was posted earlier today by Rob67 on the skyscrapercity thread. It seems to suggest that, at the very least, the idea is still being considered very seriously. It also makes clear that they are most definitely looking at options other than just Wembley:

That could just be trying out games at other venues. There will not be a European based NFL franchise anytime soon.