New Stadium Details And Discussions

[spursfan77]

Source of the piling drawing http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/AttachmentShowServlet?ImageName=664631

Cheers.

On the top of that drawing it actually says Phase 1 and Phase 2 with phase 2 starting where the existing stadium is. It really looks like we will have to move to get the stadium built at all looking at those plans.

I'm still thinking its a bridge joining the stadium, especially if the rumours about being able to walk on the top of it are true.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Funny isn't it mate. You question Levy's integrity or the dithering on the stadium so you must be a troll. I've been browsing this forum for 2 years. I've now joined because I'm so disgusted by the never ending sucking off of Daniel Levy while we see no progress on the pitch, while we're pretty much where we were with the new stadium in 2008. We still don't know for sure if it's even gonna get built...2014 became 2017 became 2018. I wonder at what point people like Lilbaz will start to question what's going on. Cue the troll accusation coming my way.

You're absolutely right, fella. We're still finishing in the regular 14th - 11th spot, in the league, as we were before Levy came in and ruined our club. We're not getting regular European football, and we're not right up there with "The best of the rest" outside of the clubs that have billionaire owners who think they're playing real life Football Manager, or have stadiums with twice the capacity of our own, and massively larger revenue streams.

Levy Out!!

 

[dovahkiin]

edmonton: Apologies everyone if there was confusion but the NFL meeting is actually next Wednesday, 20th. Not long to wait in the scheme of things.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

That's either been taken from a parachute, a hot air balloon or by aliens judging by that shadow...

Maybe this fella took the picture?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

He's a complete and utter fraud, with a chip on his shoulder and a massive agenda. The guy is a bell end.

Who you on about? One of the matchday thread regulars? Can you be more specific please?

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Who you on about? One of the matchday thread regulars? Can you be more specific please?

This helmet!!

https://twitter.com/HaroldHotspur?lang=en-gb

 

[talkshowhost86]

Switching pitches is definitely against FA rules.

What about mid game?

"And Hazard is clean through, surely he's going to put Chelsea ahead here at Sainsburys Lane....but oh no! Pochettino has released the artificial pitch and Hazard has sadly been chopped in half. Tremendous management from the Argentinean there really shaking off those questions around how he can influence a game."

 

[fridgemagnet]

It'll just be a storage area/space for artificial surface/plate/things that sit over an protect the grass so concerts, boxing, etc can be held there.

It may well be a retractable surface or surfaces but i don't but expect it to be for the NFL (i think those rumours are leaked for a reason though it's just not for that)

BTW Just my opinion but if we had any brains or foresight we'd put a retractable roof on it, would allow us to host so many other events generate cashflow in the off season/international breaks.

 

[longtimespur]

I can't understand not putting a retractable roof either, yes it will add to the cost but it will open up other events, like boxing and concerts, for winter usage.

 

[jambreck]

I can't understand not putting a retractable roof either, yes it will add to the cost but it will open up other events, like boxing and concerts, for winter usage.

We don't know for certain yet that there won't be a retractable roof in the new design.

It's unlikely, I guess, since we haven't heard anything specific about it in any leak or itk. But the club has said that it is working on "future proofing" the stadium. And that could, in theory, include a sliding roof.

 

[shelfmonkey]

It'll just be a storage area/space for artificial surface/plate/things that sit over an protect the grass so concerts, boxing, etc can be held there.

It may well be a retractable surface or surfaces but i don't but expect it to be for the NFL (i think those rumours are leaked for a reason though it's just not for that)


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BTW Just my opinion but if we had any brains or foresight we'd put a retractable roof on it, would allow us to host so many other events generate cashflow in the off season/international breaks.

WOW!!!!! Giant Scalextric at Wembley!!!

 

[Hoopspur]

Sorry if it's been posted. I didn't remember if it had...

Kind of related. Percy House redevelopment news story.

http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/12950637._/?

 

[longtimespur]

We don't know for certain yet that there won't be a retractable roof in the new design.

It's unlikely, I guess, since we haven't heard anything specific about it in any leak or itk. But the club has said that it is working on "future proofing" the stadium. And that could, in theory, include a sliding roof.

Won't be a lot of good if it leaks

 

[longtimespur]

Sorry if it's been posted. I didn't remember if it had...

Kind of related. Percy House redevelopment news story.

http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/12950637._/?

It's on the OS site as well

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/percy-house-140515/

 

[Lilbaz]

WOW!!!!! Giant Scalextric at Wembley!!!

Mario Cart?

 

[Tucker]

Who you on about? One of the matchday thread regulars? Can you be more specific please?

Yeah, what coopsie said. The one and only Harry Hotspur.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Source of the piling drawing http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/AttachmentShowServlet?ImageName=664631

One of the inconspicuous, but interesting things about that drawing is that it still shows the stadium being built in two phases. There is a dashed line demarcating "Phase 1" and "Phase 2 ". The southern 40% of the pitch and the area that people are assuming will be for stowing a retractable pitch are all "Phase 2" and this is the same part of the stadium that overlaps with the existing WHL structure.

The drawing is dated June 2014 (not November 2014), so 11 months ago the 2-stage constriction option was still on the agenda.

As for the retractable pitch notion, the fact that the rectangle to the south of the pitch is almost exactly the same size as the pitch is very suggestive, but I can see some problems and oddities.

The main one is that there are two rows of extremely heavy-duty pile caps, each covering 4-6 piles, running right under the area where the pitch would be stowed. If the pitch is to be retracted in one piece, there would be no reason to have those there, because it would be impossible to put corresponding columns on top of them and because no such hefty piles would be needed just to support the modest load of the retractable pitch itself.

The most likely reason for those two rows of piles and, presumably, columns, is that they are needed to support the Kop stand and the piazza. I reckon it is as likely that this rectangle marks out a subterranean car parking area, which could logically extend underneath the piazza as well as under the Kop stand.

Still ... the size of the rectangle is awfully convenient, isn't it? But those pile caps would make no sense under a retractable pitch. Can't decide...

EDIT: I was right, to a degree. There is a car parking area in this rectangle at ground floor level, along with other facilities: http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/AttachmentShowServlet?ImageName=696826

And the basement plan shows no basement in this area at all, so the car parking and other facilities described above would be the lowest level: http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/AttachmentShowServlet?ImageName=696819

That doesn't guarantee that a basement couldn't be added later under the car park, in a subsequent planning application, but it would make a mess of the piling plan and would probably require the retractable pitch to be split up into sections to be stowed, to avoid the columns that are supporting the car park and the Kop.

I don't see anything in this planning application, submitted Apr 2015, that represents a major redesign.

EDIT 2: I see that the planning statement refers to "vary[ing] a condition to change the approved plans to allow for a new basement, below the north, west and east stands of the Stadium". Not on the south side, which is where that rectangle is.

I think the shape of that rectangle is a coincidence. There is no current plan to stow a retractable pitch there and no plan even to excavate the area. Even if they decide later to provide such a pitch, I still think that rectangle shown there now is a coincidence. It just doesn't make sense in the context of the piling plan, the ground floor plan and the Kop stand above it, all of which would have to be redesigned from scratch to accommodate the pitch store. The rectangle is that size and shape because of the layout of the ground floor facilities directly above it.

 

[jambreck]

I see your point, David.

However, there could be all sorts of underground projections from the main body of the stadium. And a dirty great podium all around it, which will also require some form of foundation. Yet none of these are detailed in the plan.

So while I, too, cannot explain the piling under the area where the pitch will retract, there still seems something slightly odd about this suspiciously pitch sized and shaped projection.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I can't understand not putting a retractable roof either, yes it will add to the cost but it will open up other events, like boxing and concerts, for winter usage.

YES PLEASE!! Make it Anthony Joshua VS Tyson Fury, and I'll be on the first train from Penzance, and I'll personally pay for you to go as well. There's some things in life that are just worth paying for, and seeing Tyson Fury getting knocked the fuck out would be one of those things

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

BTW Just my opinion but if we had any brains or foresight we'd put a retractable roof on it, would allow us to host so many other events generate cashflow in the off season/international breaks.

I can't understand not putting a retractable roof either, yes it will add to the cost but it will open up other events, like boxing and concerts, for winter usage.

Maybe it's being incorporated into the design, but with the potential to add it at a later date? Perhaps after fully assessing the financial viability of it, and seeing what interest would be shown in using it for events such as you've mentioned?