New Stadium Details And Discussions

[coys200]

Concourses look nearly done.

 

[fridgemagnet]

He’s actually a spurs fan but voted against planning permission because there is no social housing in the plans. Tbh I have no idea how we got away with that and actually feels a bit wrong.

Really, I thought that was where the proposed flats next to the hotel came in, plus the health centre and something to do with a primary school as well. That's me surprised and slightly ashamed, I love my football club but not at the expense of ignoring local residents and business'
The club does a lot of good work that it doesn't shout about seems at odds with if what you say is true, unless that is all in. Phase 3.
I genuinely don't know.

 

[Lilbaz]

Really, I thought that was where the proposed flats next to the hotel came in, plus the health centre and something to do with a primary school as well. That's me surprised and slightly ashamed, I love my football club but not at the expense of ignoring local residents and business'
The club does a lot of good work that it doesn't shout about seems at odds with if what you say is true, unless that is all in. Phase 3.
I genuinely don't know.

It depends which way you look at it. Yes harringay need social housing but they also have over 70% of residents receiving benefits. They need to attract more wealthy residents to the area.

 

[arnoldlayne]

He’s actually a spurs fan but voted against planning permission because there is no social housing in the plans. Tbh I have no idea how we got away with that and actually feels a bit wrong.

I know he's labour but why's he wearing red on his first visit to the Spurs stadium!

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Really, I thought that was where the proposed flats next to the hotel came in, plus the health centre and something to do with a primary school as well. That's me surprised and slightly ashamed, I love my football club but not at the expense of ignoring local residents and business'
The club does a lot of good work that it doesn't shout about seems at odds with if what you say is true, unless that is all in. Phase 3.
I genuinely don't know.

Spurs have already contributed towards social housing in the area http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/new...-scheme-recognised-in-national-awards-191016/ , but the controversial part of the stadium development was that no social housing was included, not normally allowable but was passed if local authority, the mayor etc all agree it can go ahead without social housing which they did. If the current left wing labour council was in power we probably would not have got the scheme through but the previous councillors mostly now ousted were more favourable to the plans.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Someone on SSC (Dirtybob) has spotted smoothing of the eaves. He's been completely ignored for some reason but I think it's a great spot!

 

[Clark28]

Someone on SSC (Dirtybob) has spotted smoothing of the eaves. He's been completely ignored for some reason but I think it's a great spot!

they did it on the 9th, wonder how long each one takes to install

 

[worcestersauce]

Someone on SSC (Dirtybob) has spotted smoothing of the eaves. He's been completely ignored for some reason but I think it's a great spot! View attachment 38749

Someone spotted it on this thread yesterday, great picture though. Looks like they are doing one or two a day but I expect that to increase.

 

[Waiwonder]

would be good to get a xlos

I know he's labour but why's he wearing red on his first visit to the Spurs stadium!

that levy look explains it all

 

[Dov67]

Spurs have already contributed towards social housing in the area http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/new...-scheme-recognised-in-national-awards-191016/ , but the controversial part of the stadium development was that no social housing was included, not normally allowable but was passed if local authority, the mayor etc all agree it can go ahead without social housing which they did. If the current left wing labour council was in power we probably would not have got the scheme through but the previous councillors mostly now ousted were more favourable to the plans.

something i never really understood......isn't "social housing" the responsibility of the local and central government rather than a private business. Why should any private business be on the hook for social housing whether its THFC or a local kebab shop. Central and local government collect taxes (often vast sums) from businesses and its up to governments to distribute and spend that tax revenue accordingly.

 

[Japseye]

they did it on the 9th, wonder how long each one takes to install

on SSC, a guy took a series of stills yesterday showing when they did the second in-fill it only took a few mins, i think it will be like most of the other jobs we pick up on camera, they take their time doing the first few, perfecting the technique and then when they have the resources they knock it out pretty quick.

This plays havoc with my OCD but I have faith they are following a schedule and it will get done when it needs to...

 

[tototoner]

when someone wears red in Levy's boardroom

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

something i never really understood......isn't "social housing" the responsibility of the local and central government rather than a private business. Why should any private business be on the hook for social housing whether its THFC or a local kebab shop. Central and local government collect taxes (often vast sums) from businesses and its up to governments to distribute and spend that tax revenue accordingly.

Not an expert but I think any new developments by private or public bodies need some element of social housing but I can't imagine any developer putting in a luxury block in Mayfair and including social housing. There are reasons for excluding social housing which Levy has exploited, the whole Stratford saga was a ploy to get Haringey & Lammy behind the new stadium development, without Spurs the local area loses millions of income, so basically as with most things money talks in the end.

Spurs own land west of the High Road and may find the new labour council harder to get plans past https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/...ndleases-high-road-west-site/10024888.article , not sure if this link will work it has restricted access.

 

[joelstinton14]

I can't wait to walk up the stairs from the concourse into the stadium for the first time. Doing so at WHL for the first time was one of the best days of my life. As stayed with me ever since.

 

[coys200]

Let’s be honest no true spurs fan would wear red on their first visit to stadium. So he’s obviously a token fan.
In regard to social housing however much I regard Levy for what he’s done on the stadium. I’d imagine if he was brutally honest he’d like to see Tottenham socially cleansed and become the next Islington and home to young professionals. When you’re trying to sell a brand to the states you don’t want images of riotng and social deprivation associated with the same name. I think there’s very very few major developments you could build in london that didn’t have affordable housing. It’s actually quite incredible in a scheme like this how it was passed.

 

[tototoner]

Let’s be honest no true spurs fan would wear red on their first visit to stadium. So he’s obviously a token fan.
In regard to social housing however much I regard Levy for what he’s done on the stadium. I’d imagine if he was brutally honest he’d like to see Tottenham socially cleansed and become the next Islington and home to young professionals. When you’re trying to sell a brand to the states you don’t want images of riotng and social deprivation associated with the same name. I think there’s very very few major developments you could build in london that didn’t have affordable housing. It’s actually quite incredible in a scheme like this how it was passed.

you don't have to be a fan to be working on the stadium project

 

[worcestersauce]

Not an expert but I think any new developments by private or public bodies need some element of social housing but I can't imagine any developer putting in a luxury block in Mayfair and including social housing. There are reasons for excluding social housing which Levy has exploited, the whole Stratford saga was a ploy to get Haringey & Lammy behind the new stadium development, without Spurs the local area loses millions of income, so basically as with most things money talks in the end.

Spurs own land west of the High Road and may find the new labour council harder to get plans past https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/...ndleases-high-road-west-site/10024888.article , not sure if this link will work it has restricted access.

I believe it becomes relevent if there is an element of housing in the development.
The new council regime will have to decide what they want for the local area, the love lane estate is, as I understand it due for demolition as the residents wanted with a view to having the new square and train station entance/exit but I don't know if all planning permission has been granted yet so if the new regime goes back on that they will be setting themselves up in direct opposition to the club and possibly the residents.

 

[Hengy1]

 

[davidmatzdorf]

He’s actually a spurs fan but voted against planning permission because there is no social housing in the plans. Tbh I have no idea how we got away with that and actually feels a bit wrong.

He probably had to. What is the waiting list for social housing in harringey? Disagreed with lamy aswell but their responsibility is first to the people.

Really, I thought that was where the proposed flats next to the hotel came in, plus the health centre and something to do with a primary school as well. That's me surprised and slightly ashamed, I love my football club but not at the expense of ignoring local residents and business'
The club does a lot of good work that it doesn't shout about seems at odds with if what you say is true, unless that is all in. Phase 3.
I genuinely don't know.

The financial crash in 2008 made it impossible to borrow money to finance the scheme, because suddenly lenders required a 25% margin instead of a 12% margin. It wasn't peculiar to the NDP, it was every new development everywhere. So THFC threatened to take the club off to Stratford unless the NDP could be made viable again and the obvious first step toward doing that was letting the club off the S.106 obligation to provide 30%-50% affordable housing. It wasn't just a reduction in affordable housing - they persuaded Haringey to accept an extra 100+ units of private housing as well.

Since then, as economic conditions in the development industry gradually improved, THFC has become involved in several affordable housing schemes nearby, but not on the main stadium site.

Haringey is a strange, bifurcated borough and the council's affordable housing policy reflects that. The western half of Haringey is relatively affluent (Crouch Hill, etc.), so the council seeks 30%+ affordable housing, of which 70% should be rented. However, the eastern half of Haringey is not only poor, it also includes huge areas of virtually-unbroken social-rented housing estates. So the council's policy is (a) to be more flexible about the overall % of affordable housing and (b) to encourage 70% of the affordable housing to be for intermediate incomes (mainly shared ownership until recently, but that's no longer affordable at all because of property values). The idea is to encourage more economically active households into eastern Haringey.

Like other Labour local authorities in London, Haringey is starting to develop its own council housing again on a modest scale, but much of it in the eastern half of the borough will be intermediate. I was told that by the relevant officer in Haringey's housing department.

something i never really understood......isn't "social housing" the responsibility of the local and central government rather than a private business. Why should any private business be on the hook for social housing whether its THFC or a local kebab shop. Central and local government collect taxes (often vast sums) from businesses and its up to governments to distribute and spend that tax revenue accordingly.

Demanding that developers provide "planning gain" - contributing toward local infrastructure in return for them making money from local infrastructure - goes back to the 1990 Town & Country Planning Act and before. Providing a % of affordable housing has been an established part of planning gain for all those years. The Blair/Brown government greatly increased this mechanism, because it was a way of building more affordable housing with less grant and thus staying within the Tory spending limits Brown adopted in 1997. It worked very well - we in the housing associations built a hell of a lot of very good housing in conjunction with private developers, as well as a great deal on our own. Then the coalition government terminated the central government capital grants system that made this work (as you implied in your post) and opened a variety of loopholes for developers to reduce or eliminate on-site affordable housing, since when the whole system has come into disrepute and has become ineffective at delivering affordable housing on any meaningful scale.

 

[Coq_Au_Ginge]

another vid posted on Twitter via @darrenyarlett