*** NEWCASTLE v SPURS *** Official Match Thread

[SpurSince57]

You cant compare us with Arsenal, they've got one of the best managers in the business who brings the best out of his players, and is tactically aware. Jol does/is neither, nice bloke but thats where it ends.

Can I not? Are you saying Rosicky, Hleb and Diaby are not CMs? Is Diaby not one of the most right-footed players in the league, if not the planet, and yet Wenger has had him playing LM?

You made a categorical statement, 'playing 4 CMs does not work'; clearly it does for Arsenal. Perhaps the real fact of the matter is that theirs are better than ours.

 

[Fantasticlee]

Sorry didn't quite hear that? You fucking plank. :stupid:

If you didn't hear it then try reading it along with the other comments which basically disagree with your Cerny comments... PR*CK!!!!!

 

[Fantasticlee]

Can I not? Are you saying Rosicky, Hleb and Diaby are not CMs? Is Diaby not one of the most right-footed players in the league, if not the planet, and yet Wenger has had him playing LM?

You made a categorical statement, 'playing 4 CMs does not work'; clearly it does for Arsenal. Perhaps the real fact of the matter is that theirs are better than ours.

Agreed.
Midfield is our weakest area. Too wishy washy and no-one who can dominate a game.

 

[The Apprentice]

If you didn't hear it then try reading it along with the other comments which basically disagree with your Cerny comments... PR*CK!!!!!

Sorry plank, can't understand all the bullshit coming out of your mouth.

 

[LSUY]

It's a good thing we didn't get those Spurs Community shirts made.

 

[haxman]

Can I not? Are you saying Rosicky, Hleb and Diaby are not CMs? Is Diaby not one of the most right-footed players in the league, if not the planet, and yet Wenger has had him playing LM?

You made a categorical statement, 'playing 4 CMs does not work'; clearly it does for Arsenal. Perhaps the real fact of the matter is that theirs are better than ours.

Whatever. All I know is Arsenal are top for a reason, and we're in the bottom 3 for a reason. They've got a world class manager and we have a world class muppet, I'm still raging about that performance.

 

[Fantasticlee]

Sorry plank, can't understand all the bullshit coming out of your mouth.

BS like what?? Back up what ur spouting!

 

[talkshowhost86]

Defoesapprentice and Fantasticlee both of you shut up now. If there's any more you'll both be banned and the thread will get closed for everyone whilst I tidy it up.

We've lost and it's upsetting. But acting like spoilt children won't help.

 

[JamesTheYiddo]

I don't think Cerny was a disgrace - but everyone except Lee were shite.

Lee had a 'mare

 

[whendayearendsin1]

Kaboul and Dawson were awful tonight. Both lost their man for corners, how hard can it be to say with your man!!! It not rocket science….
Chimbonda was his usual self, there in body but not in mind, maybe thinking about his new contract, or why he is not playing for France. Lee had a decent game……

Jeans and DZ were nearly as bad as Kaboul and Dawson. I only noticed they were playing when they mis-controlled a pass or screwed up a pass. DZ made good run in the 2nd half, but again no end product. I can’t believe these are best central midfielders we have!!! Steed and TT were average, so add them to JJ and DZ and you get load of rubbish!!

Keane worked hard as always and Bent below average.

So only players to come away with any credit was the goalkeeper, Lee and maybe Keane. 3 of 11 is truly relegation form…. Its going to a long hard season..

 

[Spurs_Q8]

Next Game starting XI:​

Cerny

Stalteri - Chimbonda - Dawson - Kaboul - Gardner - Lee

Huddlestone - Tainio - Zokora

R. Keane​

at least .. we could get point !

 

[JamesTheYiddo]

Next Game starting XI:​

Cerny

Stalteri - Chimbonda - Dawson - Kaboul - Gardner - Lee

Huddlestone - Tainio - Zokora

R. Keane​

at least .. we could get point !

we would still leak goal's

 

[SpurSince57]

Whatever. All I know is Arsenal are top for a reason, and we're in the bottom 3 for a reason. They've got a world class manager and we have a world class muppet, I'm still raging about that performance.

Oh, please…

Make no mistake, I'm absolutely fucking seething, and, sure, at the end of the day, the buck has to stop with the manager. But we had eleven players out there, every one of whom earns more in a week than most of us will ever see in a year, and most of them let us and Jol down.

 

[haxman]

Oh, please…

Make no mistake, I'm absolutely fucking seething, and, sure, at the end of the day, the buck has to stop with the manager. But we had eleven players out there, every one of whom earns more in a week than most of us will ever see in a year, and most of them let us and Jol down.

Ok, point taken, I see what your saying. My problem with Jol is that he has had time to sort out the defence but it just isnt happening. I know Newcastle away is always going to be tough for us with our record there being less than spectacular but a bit of fight lads ffs. We basically handed all their goals to them on a plate.

I go to the odd game, its not easy for me to get over to many matches cause I work most weekends but I really feel sorry for those of ye who pay hundreds to watch the team, and even more for those who travel to away grounds to watch the excuse for football that we are playing at the minute. Thats real support.

Unfortunately I cant see the situation changing with Martin Jol in charge. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[buttons]

We need to learn to defend before sunday, Blackburn play good football and are fucking excellent in the air.......we could be absolutely ripped to pieces.

 

[bubble07]

For the first time thi season i am very very worried. The most frustrating thing about this shit season is we do not seem to improve on stupid individual errors and very very shit defending at set pieces

Tim Sherwood kept banging on about it and maybe his right - Does Jol work on the defensive side in training. The reason why i'm doubting he does is he comes out with the same shit in pre and post match interviews yet we do not see ANY improvemnets.

Kaboul and Dawson were absolutly shocking today. An absolute joke of a partnership. Chimbonda was his casual self. The only defender that deserves an ounce of credit was Lee. Chimbonda Dawson Kaboul had no international football yet they played as though they have never seen one another.

Martins goal should be shown on an end of season bloopers video. How the fuck can one 50 hard pass split the whole defense and iscolate our slowest defender with their quickest striker.

Chimbonda should have been covering round the back of dawson and Kaboul should have been at least 2o yards closer. If they had a solid shape for the first goal which really is secondary school stuff that first goal would have been prevented

Set pieces. I thought when I saw newcastles line up I thought great no height in their team. Stupid as this may sounf I was happy to see owen start ahead of ameobi. The only 2 players I thought may cause us problems was their 2 centre backs. Every time Faye went forward from throw ins and set pieces he won everthing and just to piss me off the only othe rplayer that I said could cause us problems in the air scored with a header.

WE HAVE LET IN 21 GOALS THIS SEASON. MORE THEN 2 A GAME. What the hell does Jol and Hughton coach these INDIVIDUALY talented defenders? I'm begining to inagine all Jol does is play 7-a-side games whilst hughton does his stupid drawings next to him.

I think the buck stops with Jol. The opposition are a perfect example. Last season they were absolutly hopeless in defense and now look at how solid they look despite this only being the second game they have all played together

The midfield lacked creativity. I don't know if this was a tactic but just because bent can get behind defenses doesn't mean kaboul and dawson should be punting the ball 60 yards. What they don't realise is just because they can't defend it doesn't mean the opposition cant

WHAT THE FUCK WAS JENAS' ROLE TODAY? He made a couple of good interceptions and tracking a couple of runners but going forward what did he do? Did he give any of our 3 strikers a chance at goal? Did he give them half a chance at goal? What about a sniff at goal? The answer is all NO - Hell even Zokora looked more creative

Tainio is a waste of space. When Bale went off and Taino came on the threat down the left was completly finished.

Just saw the line up and it said Malbranque was playing. That must have been an error as I don't remember him doing jack shit

Despite BEnt having a really poor game I really do feel sorry for the guy. Heres a guy thinking that he would get more opportunities at goal then he did at chalton. How wrong he is.

Bent is a type of play that heavily relies on service. His not like keane, berbatov or even defoe who create. What Bent offers is real pace and clinicl finishing.

He had one ball that was on his left which he scuffed and one on his right which he sliced. Now for a 16m striker you would expect him to at least hit the target but because he is beginning to realise the lack of creativity behind him he is snatching his shots in desperation to score because he knows the next chance will take another half an hour

I was vert happy with Cerny depite him conceding 3. Robbo would have conceded 3 plus pal owens shot out for martins (I think) to tap in. Came out looked relativly confident in cosses, distributed well so he was fine. Lee was fine. Rearding our full backs I'm begining to think its more then just a coincidence that the majority of opposition attacks happed down on chimbonda's side rather then Lee's - Maybe the opposition are targeting his lazy defending?

We need to wak up and realise we are over a quarter of te season in and we have picked up 1 win against a team who is the san marino of the division

I was mentioning previously that we have played hard games. But thats not true. We have played Bolton, Sunderland, Fulham, Derby who will all end up in the bottom 6 picking up a pathetic 5pts. We have played three 6 - 10 positoned teams, picking up a pathetic point and 3 top 4 teams picking up another pathetic point

We are already 4 wins off the pace for 5th and even if we win the next 2 games we would still only be averaging about a point a game with only 2 thirds of the season left

We will probably win on thurdsday, we will all be happy, "martin giv us a wave" will be sung but I don't give a shit what happens on Thurdsay. We need to start picking up points in the league. We just need to count ourselves lucky that there are at least 3 other really shit teams in this league

 

[Legend10]

Ok, point taken, I see what your saying. My problem with Jol is that he has had time to sort out the defence but it just isnt happening. I know Newcastle away is always going to be tough for us with our record there being less than spectacular but a bit of fight lads ffs. We basically handed all their goals to them on a plate.

I go to the odd game, its not easy for me to get over to many matches cause I work most weekends but I really feel sorry for those of ye who pay hundreds to watch the team, and even more for those who travel to away grounds to watch the excuse for football that we are playing at the minute. Thats real support.

Unfortunately I cant see the situation changing with Martin Jol in charge. I hope I'm wrong.

Thats because he doesn't know how to, it's as simple as that.

We are making the same individual as well as tactical errors game in game out.

If Jol knew how to sort it out then why hasn't he at least sorted out the tactical errors?

Simple, he doesn't know how.

We can all live with individual errors as over the course they will eradicate themselves. What a team can't live with is consistent tactical problems which is clearly what we have and these tactical problems exaggerate the individual errors.

This is the first really really bad spell Jol has had and he has been found badly wanting. It is easy to manage a team of good players when they have confidence, when they don't then you really look to your manager to deliver solutions and especially tactical ones and Jol has shown that he doesn't have them.

Nice bloke, but out of his depth.

 

[always_spurs]

i literally had tears in my eyes after that game. i just don't know what to think. my poor spurs

 

[tippspur59]

My God, that was some pile of shite tonight, someone should tell chimbonda and kaboul they are not midfielders and start fuckin defending.

 

[SpurSince57]

Thats because he doesn't know how to, it's as simple as that.

We are making the same individual as well as tactical errors game in game out.

If Jol knew how to sort it out then why hasn't he at least sorted out the tactical errors?

Simple, he doesn't know how.

We can all live with individual errors as over the course they will eradicate themselves. What a team can't live with is consistent tactical problems which is clearly what we have and these tactical problems exaggerate the individual errors.

This is the first really really bad spell Jol has had and he has been found badly wanting. It is easy to manage a team of good players when they have confidence, when they don't then you really look to your manager to deliver solutions and especially tactical ones and Jol has shown that he doesn't have them.

Nice bloke, but out of his depth.

Yet his first two seasons saw us conceding fewer goals than we had in years, and this isn't the first bad spell he's had.

If there was a major tactical error tonight it was that we were over-cautious and maybe too respectful for much of the first half, with our full-backs, Chimbonda in particular, staying back, but one could argue that wasn't too bad a thing. Would we have been better-off playing a higher line? :shrug: I thought the main fault was that neither Jenas nor Zokora seemed inclined to get up in support of Keane and Bent. Nevertheless, we pretty much held our own until a long ball left Dawson badly exposed at a moment when everyone had pushed upfield, and he was found wanting. The 'inexperiece' excuse really is running out as far as Daws is concerned, because although you can't blame him for basic lack of pace, especially against someone as quick as Martins, he had the chance to hoof the ball into touch and blew it. OK. shit happens, but he then lost Cacapa for the second. Jenas bottled the third. These aren't tactical errors, they are individual fuck-ups, and the same fuck-ups have plagued us from the Sunderland game on.

We all have our bright ideas, and yes, at the end of the day the manager has to take the blame, but so do the players.