agrdavidsfan
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Whoever he is there is potential to do some amazing business
tielemans,zaha,walker,Ndicka all on frees
tielemans,zaha,walker,Ndicka all on frees
Next DoF
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In respect to Ndicka, reports in Italy are saying he has chose Roma.
Yiddo100
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Only ndicka we should be looking at out of them, walkers also not free yet is he?
walker is next year
PrettyColors
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HOW THE FUCK ARE WE GOING AHEAD WITH A MANAGER SIGNING, AND THERE’S NO NEWS WHATSOEVER ON A DOF???????????????
Seriously what is going on?
This is the most backward club in football history
Seriously what is going on?
This is the most backward club in football history
danielneeds
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We’re most likely not gonna appoint one, and will appoint a head of recruitment instead.
PrettyColors
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Well how the fuck is there no news on that?
it’s literally putting the cart before the horse
Tucker
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Truth is we don’t know what is going on with regards the DoF. For all we know there could be something in the works. I seem to remember Prof on COYS hinting at something being arranged a couple of weeks back.
Guntz
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Wouldn't surprise me if we announce something out of the blue.
Just like we did with Munn - nobody had a clue.
Timberwolf
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It seems to suddenly be the perceived wisdom on here and Twitter, podcasts, etc that every club MUST always appoint a DoF before they appoint a manager, but is this necessarily the case?
I mean, sure, in an ideal world it makes perfect sense to do it that way around but what if the ideal DoF candidate isn't available for a couple of months? Or we want to take our time doing a proper recruitment process to make sure we get the right guy? If so are we just not meant to recruit a manager until pre-season has started?
And what if a sporting director leaves a club while the manager remains? Is that club absolutely doomed because the new director joins while the manager is still there? Michael Edwards got promoted to sporting director at Liverpool while Klopp was already at the club - is that broken and backwards because Edwards didn't personally choose Klopp to be manager? Seemed to work ok for them.
To my mind, provided the new DoF and the new manager have a shared vision and are able to work together, it doesn't matter that much which one comes first, but what do I know?
Tucker
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Yeah people are being a bit weird about it, it’s as if a football club has never appointed a manager before without a DoF holding their hand.
Timberwolf
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And we've literally seen first hand that it doesn't magically always work that well to have the DoF pick. Paratici came in and instantly sacked off a decent managerial candidate in Fonseca and opted for 2 grade-A turds in Gatusso and Nuno.
Personally I'm not too bothered. Man Utd brought in Ten Hag while their entire recruitment team was a shambles but since he was a good manager they're now doing well. Since then they seem to have brought in a DoF type guy who will work with him going forward.
Sure, if we were a smarter club we would've had a ton of potential DoFs ready to contact when it looked like Paratici was toast, but I don't think it's the end of the world that we're looking to push through Ange before we've appointed anyone.
Much more important to have the right manager than the right DoF in my mind (although obviously the very best clubs tend to be excellent in both departments).
cockerel downunder
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Depends who the manager reports to I suppose, if it’s the dof then they should hire then but I suspect in our new structure they would both report to munn in which case not such a big issue.
spurs9
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The manager is more important to bring in than the head of recruitment.
mr ashley
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Ultimately I believe a DoF must have clear principles for the football being played throughout the club. They must understand the budget and objectives, and lead recruitment of players and managers to fit that vision.
so usually that person is a long term appointment and will precede any manager hired.
But at the crossroads we are at now, I can see that it isn’t as important to go first with DoF before manager if (huge if), the DoF is flexible enough to support the distinct tactical intricacies of the manager.
Basically any DoF who shares the views and vision of play style of Slot should be able to work with Postecoglu, de Zerbi, gallardo, Enrique, and even Rodgers, nagelsmann or even pep. The principles of possession, pressing and movement are similar
It would make it harder if the DoF vision was closer aligned to the likes of conte/ Amorim/glasner if he arrived after AP (if appointed) because they would immediately be clashing.
TL/DR: it doesn’t matter which order they’re appointed if their visions align
so usually that person is a long term appointment and will precede any manager hired.
But at the crossroads we are at now, I can see that it isn’t as important to go first with DoF before manager if (huge if), the DoF is flexible enough to support the distinct tactical intricacies of the manager.
Basically any DoF who shares the views and vision of play style of Slot should be able to work with Postecoglu, de Zerbi, gallardo, Enrique, and even Rodgers, nagelsmann or even pep. The principles of possession, pressing and movement are similar
It would make it harder if the DoF vision was closer aligned to the likes of conte/ Amorim/glasner if he arrived after AP (if appointed) because they would immediately be clashing.
TL/DR: it doesn’t matter which order they’re appointed if their visions align
mil1lion
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I don't see an issue getting the manager in first and then a dof or recruiter to fit what he needs
The biggest issue we had was the change of football in recent years. Getting managers who don't fit our strategy of young potential and who play counter attacking football.
As long as we get back to hiring managers who play on the front foot and work with young players we'll be fine. Every manager these days will have their own brand of football so it's not possible to get a dof who follows a very specific style. It's like how Barca would always play 433 with the influence of Cruyff, over time it had to be changed. Over the last decade Barca have switched to various formations. That doesn't mean they no longer have the principles in place. They still play possession football with the primary goal to attack and they still bring players through La Masia. It just allows each manager to implement their own style and makes them less predictable.
The key for us is to improve our talent spotting and sign players who fit the restrictive budget we have under Levy. Paratici was good at that and to be fair even though he's generally defensive minded he did sign some good attacking players. This time it's important to get someone who will unearth young talent for a manager to develop. If we change manager then they need the right profile to keep that development going. I never felt either Jose or Conte were developing our young players and we were never going to change our approach to start signing ready developed more expensive players. I'm looking forward to the prospect of more academy players and some unknown signings coming in and surprising us.
The biggest issue we had was the change of football in recent years. Getting managers who don't fit our strategy of young potential and who play counter attacking football.
As long as we get back to hiring managers who play on the front foot and work with young players we'll be fine. Every manager these days will have their own brand of football so it's not possible to get a dof who follows a very specific style. It's like how Barca would always play 433 with the influence of Cruyff, over time it had to be changed. Over the last decade Barca have switched to various formations. That doesn't mean they no longer have the principles in place. They still play possession football with the primary goal to attack and they still bring players through La Masia. It just allows each manager to implement their own style and makes them less predictable.
The key for us is to improve our talent spotting and sign players who fit the restrictive budget we have under Levy. Paratici was good at that and to be fair even though he's generally defensive minded he did sign some good attacking players. This time it's important to get someone who will unearth young talent for a manager to develop. If we change manager then they need the right profile to keep that development going. I never felt either Jose or Conte were developing our young players and we were never going to change our approach to start signing ready developed more expensive players. I'm looking forward to the prospect of more academy players and some unknown signings coming in and surprising us.
It does sound like we aren't looking for a DOF anymore and are looking for someone to take on a more limited role. This could be why we aren't hearing much about a new DOF, because those that are available would want more power than we are willing to give now we have Munn in the role he is in.
hero
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They literally offer to switch the top-managerial position to a position of a line manager (head of recruitment).
Cuore da Leone
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Tare would be great! He has just left Lazio
