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Stoof

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Now Nageslmann is out the picture I am struggling to see any better option in the above list than Di Zerbi

Slot is massive gamble in the Premier league. Especially with his style of play.

Start next season with some tough fixtures, likely no Kane. He could be sacked in 10 games.

As a fan base our patience is gone.

If Levy wanted patience Poch was the choice.

Can we afford this all again after the Nuno fiasco. It dejavu.
Anyone without Prem experience is a gamble … and even then.

Likely no Kane?

Disagree that Poch would disarm the impatience. I think most would think we’d immediately go back to 2016/17.

Sorry, don’t agree with a lot of this.
 

jay2040

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The one who won that trophy that apparently is the only thing that matters.
I guess it's down to perspective. In 20 years time we will have the trophy recorded in history and hopefully we would have had a better man than Poch to give us good times!
Surely we should be looking to emulate and build on the good times with Poch and get some success.
 

dontcallme

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I guess it's down to perspective. In 20 years time we will have the trophy recorded in history and hopefully we would have had a better man than Poch to give us good times!
Surely we should be looking to emulate and build on the good times with Poch and get some success.
Of course I want success.

But I also want to enjoy the journey of watching my team. I still talk about peak Poch years with more enjoyment than any other since the Prem began.

Same as I grew up loving the Brazil teams throughout the decades and the famous Dutch team of the 1970s.
 

dagraham

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Ze Derbi may well prefer to stay at Brighton, but unless our manager search is done and dusted behind the scenes then I think we’d be foolish not to try and tempt him.

I don’t care if he’s acted like a bit of a dick at times on the touch line and I don’t care if the job he is doing is partly down to Brighton’s set up. Slot is just as much of a risk.
 

Japhet

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Ze Derbi may well prefer to stay at Brighton, but unless our manager search is done and dusted behind the scenes then I think we’d be foolish not to try and tempt him.

I don’t care if he’s acted like a bit of a dick at times on the touch line and I don’t care if the job he is doing is partly down to Brighton’s set up. Slot is just as much of a risk.

We didn't have any problem with Mourinho or Conte acting like dicks either here or before.
 

EQP

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I’m just dealing with facts. They are never going to be able to match us or any of the top 6 for wages or prestige for one so they will always have to sell their best players. As has been proven by clubs who had similar models in the past - Southampton, Swansea, and Leicester to an extent - as good as their scouting is they simply won’t be able to maintain the success rate to replace the talent that gets poached.

Have to say, after looking at their past 4-5 season league finishes, I see where you're coming from. I still admire their setup and hope we can emulate the best parts of their structure here at Spurs but I yeah, they've flirted with relegation far too often than I would like.
 

tottenhamlad

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Anyone without Prem experience is a gamble … and even then.

Likely no Kane?

Disagree that Poch would disarm the impatience. I think most would think we’d immediately go back to 2016/17.

Sorry, don’t agree with a lot of this.
Surely you think Kane leaves? He's not signing a new contract it would be madness. We are on a massive downward trajectory.

Levy won't let him leave for free. I'll be shocked if he's still a spurs player next year.

If I was him I would move and I am a life long fan a similar age.

Slots football is good, it's attacking but doing it with this squad in the premeir league is one hell of a challenege. It's a results business, a lot of the fan base don't know him, he would be given zero time. Hammered by sky pundits, talksport every morning all the press.

It could work, he could be sacked by Christmas.

If poch had come back I feel more blame on bad results would be at the board and Levy from the fans and the media.
 

heinsmit

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Ze Derbi may well prefer to stay at Brighton, but unless our manager search is done and dusted behind the scenes then I think we’d be foolish not to try and tempt him.

I don’t care if he’s acted like a bit of a dick at times on the touch line and I don’t care if the job he is doing is partly down to Brighton’s set up. Slot is just as much of a risk.
Isn't that what wenger used to call the arsenal tottenham match?
 

EQP

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I remember when Leicester City were the darlings of "how a club should be run" and before them Southampton and now both will be in the Championship next season. Heck even Swansea was too at one point.

Fact of the matter is that it's insanely difficult to essentially outsmart all of Europe on undervalued talent and one or two bad windows can unravel the operation.

Not saying RDZ would come here, probably just stay put for a bigger job to come (maybe back in italy) but selling your best players year after year would be a headache I imagine

I do hope for their sake that RDZ stays and this a turning point for them. I looked at their past 5 league finishes ( 9th, 16th, 15th, 17th, 15th ) and have to admire how far they've come from consistently flirting with relegation to European competition playing some really attractive football.
 

DarwinSpur

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I like de zerbi but why is he better than Potter if we’re going that route?

(genuine question btw - no agendas)
 

jay2040

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Of course I want success.

But I also want to enjoy the journey of watching my team. I still talk about peak Poch years with more enjoyment than any other since the Prem began.

Same as I grew up loving the Brazil teams throughout the decades and the famous Dutch team of the 1970s.
Poch life is also best Spurs I have seen in my time so we are agreement there.
It seems that we are debating when no need so to conclude -
I am just a greedy fucker and want more than just enjoyment!
 

Johnny J

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I like de zerbi but why is he better than Potter if we’re going that route?

(genuine question btw - no agendas)
Brighton played nice football under Potter but they couldn't score, and often has a lot of possession but not much threat.

De Zerbi has made them more aggressive and purposeful when they go forward.
 

rossdapep

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Anyone without Prem experience is a gamble … and even then.

Likely no Kane?

Disagree that Poch would disarm the impatience. I think most would think we’d immediately go back to 2016/17.

Sorry, don’t agree with a lot of this.
Great point and something that I have had concerns about.

Plenty of people saying get Poch back and the good times but it really isn't as simple as that.

What everyone forgets is that Poch and the players had to go through a process to reach that stage. They had to earn it, lets say.

We saw green shoots but the first year was still a bit of a slog at times. Even the second season we drew 3 of our first 4 and lost the other.

Can you honestly see that patience?

Say, half way through the season and we are 6th/7th. People will be saying that theyd have expected better by that point and I'm certain it would actually bring up painful memories of his last year at the club.

If that happens how long before Poch himself starts to get irritated? He'll be coming from a more entitled position this time so his patience will be shorter.

Whereas Slot, because it's fresh and new, will be given more patience as long as there's some green shoots cause we'd all be curious to see where it goes.

And more importantly, Slot will have the energy and drive to remain patient and not force things
 

septicsac

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DeZerbi has been my favourite for a while now, only further reinforced by putting the final nail in Arsenals title hopes on Sunday. So many pluses, plays cracking football, improved Brighton since coming in, premiership ready and passionate on the line, something fans jump on.
Disagree that he would not be attainable, we would undoubtedly pay him more, his Brighton team is likely to be pulled asunder this summer in the transfer window and we are still a bigger name.
The doubts of course are that he will now know of Levy and the dangers of working for him, but if we could convince him to come and bring a few with him it would be a huge step in the right direction. Prefer him to Slot, purely based on seeing Brighton more and his small bit of premiership experience, oh and beating Arsenal 3-0 in the Emirates is a sweetener too. Will it happen, highly unlikely, levy couldnt pick his nose at the minute, so no faith in him getting anything right.
 

jimbo

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I do hope for their sake that RDZ stays and this a turning point for them. I looked at their past 5 league finishes ( 9th, 16th, 15th, 17th, 15th ) and have to admire how far they've come from consistently flirting with relegation to European competition playing some really attractive football.
If you look at what they’ve done more as the Tony Bloom era, then they’ve been promoted from League One, promoted from The Championship, survived in the Premier League and are now pushing for European places. And he built a new stadium in the midst of all that as well. They’ve progressed organically really well. It took them longer than they wanted to get out of The Championship but they were always pushing towards it without ever putting themselves in danger if they missed out as other clubs have done.

I think it’s pretty impressive to be honest. Now, they may ‘do a Leicester/Southampton’ but I think they’re much better run than either of those two - they’ve not gambled as Leicester have nor drifted away from their model as Southampton have. Of course, they might get giddy and mess it all up but my sense is that they know what they’re doing and they will look to grow into an established top half team..

Is that potential less than ours? Absolutely, for a number of reasons already covered, but we keep shooting ourselves in the face for some reason. We were doing similar to Brighton I think, but then we lost our way quite dramatically and don’t seem able to get back on course. Hopefully we will start to correct that this summer.
 

DarwinSpur

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Brighton played nice football under Potter but they couldn't score, and often has a lot of possession but not much threat.

De Zerbi has made them more aggressive and purposeful when they go forward.

I agree with all of that on the "eye" test but Brighton were 4th when Potter left for Chelsea. So...

I guess I'm just a little surprised why some people who were anti-Potter are now so pro De Zerbi.

FWIW I'd have either and would prefer De Zerbi but I'm no fucking expert at all :ROFLMAO:
 
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