Next Manager Watch

[jurgen11]

Just been seeing the replies to the clubs latest and I was thinking how bad it is , every reply to a meaningless pre season friendly is Levy out.

So I expect some sort of present thrown at us by Saturday otherwise it's going to be more toxic than ever and the poor ladies will be playing in front of 200 people and if it's for example a DOF the positivity will drop through slowly.

And then providing the manager isnt a Nuno style one (and I included Mason in that, ) I expect most of the "LEVY OUT" posters will suddenly start with the "were cooking!" Or they will be making their shopping lists for players.

Personally I've found the membership price rise detestable and I'm not a member! To do that to your customers when delivering a poor product for already top tier prices when you know how unhappy they are really speaks volumes to how you see your customers /supporters .

Sorry to put all that in the next manager thread but it's all connected. A new exciting manager who is positive can quickly turn us round but he is also going to have to serve as a PR machine for a board who grow increasingly isolated and unlikeable

Not including a membership in the Season Ticket price is an absolute disgrace. To log in to purchase additional tickets on the exchange to have a message saying "sorry you do not have the correct membership to buy this ticket " when its 10s of thousands of pounds over the last 25 years spent is ridiculous

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

The absolute worst thing about this whole scenario, all of it: the board, players, lack of manager, ticket prices, lack of DOF, lack of planning, focus on Go Kart tracks over the actual football, the continuously bolstered property portfolio, the state of the squad, the PR fuck ups and the general incompetence in full view in nearly every single facet of this club, is that it kind of renders everything utterly pointless.

What is the purpose of THFC? I'll be damned if I know...

Ambitionless, aimless, barely directionally correct over the last 4-5 years (I'm probably being generous here).

It infuriates me that we likely have people presiding over proceedings that are completely out of touch, outdated, cannot read a room, promote cringeworthy endeavours and just reek of being corporate hacks whose experience and decision making comes from some "modern business" textbook from 2004. It seems they think they understand the game, the fans, what it means to be Spurs, but they are so hideously wrong that it is just laughable.

They strike me as being the kind of group that have blue sky thinking, brainstorms, swim lanes, glide paths, and wanting to know "what good looks like" as their main prerogatives.
Proper Linked-In, cringeworthy, asinine, corporate shitehawks. I don't even think they do it maliciously. I think they're just stupid and hopelessly out of touch and out of date.


I really feel for the fans that go to every game, because they appear to be being completely duped in nearly every way. There was a time when I'd have loved to have been a ST holder, but I've never felt such apathy, irritation, frustration, anger or hostility towards this club as I do now and it's because of ridiculous decision after ridiculous decision which is just hamstringing the sporting side of the club. I cannot abide stupidity and our board are just plain stupid.

I also really feel for those that use football and Spurs as a vehicle for escapism because there's none to be found here at the moment, although that's not me, because I refuse to rely on something that is not within my control for happiness.


There comes a point where you are so full of this weird, confused, raging bewilderment because you cannot see evidence of a single decision having any kind of forethought, and you wonder "how can the board, (who are all paid very handsomely), not grasp this or see this?" They remind me of the hopeless contestants peddling corporate jargon and spiel you'd see on The Apprentice. Knowing full well that it's all just regurgitated stuff they've heard from somewhere that makes them think they'll sound like they know what they're saying.

I literally feel like violently shaking every single one of them and shouting "WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU DOING, YOU CLUELESS MORON?!?"

Until this absolute malaise lifts, until wholesale changes are made, we will continue to be essentially pointless.

That's really sad. I used to have hope, optimism, whatever. Now? Nah.


And so what happens, is some people just begin to not care, walk out, not renew their STs, engage with the club less, watch less, start to phase it out of their lives more.

I'll never not support Spurs, but it's so, so easy to see through the smoke and mirrors at board level and understand just how shambolically badly this club is currently being run by the idiots upstairs, that I'll hold out very little hope of this being a worthwhile passtime (or something to be proud of or excited by) any time soon.

This is, without doubt, the greatest post I've read on this forum. I know the sentiment is similar to many comments across numerous threads but this one is like you've looked into my soul and put it into words.

We've been quick to condemn the toxic culture in our fan base recently but there should probably be more alarm within the club that this behaviour is symptomatic of a fan base being pushed to their limit. It should not be dismissed as simply the behaviour of the modern football fan. I genuinely believe Spurs fans are generally not entitled and don't have unrealistic expectations.

This is the reaction of "non entitled" Arsenal fans after a disappointing end to an amazing journey (having won 2 PL titles, 7 FA Cups, and 6 Charity Shields since Levy took over Tottenham):



This is the reaction of "toxic and entitled" Tottenham fans after a disappointing end to an amazing journey (having won 1 League Cup since Levy took over):



Sorry this is a bit OT (and OTT), I just really wanted to reply to that post.

 

[C1w8]

This is, without doubt, the greatest post I've read on this forum. I know the sentiment is similar to many comments across numerous threads but this one is like you've looked into my soul and put it into words.

We've been quick to condemn the toxic culture in our fan base recently but there should probably be more alarm within the club that this behaviour is symptomatic of a fan base being pushed to their limit. It should not be dismissed as simply the behaviour of the modern football fan. I genuinely believe Spurs fans are generally not entitled and don't have unrealistic expectations.

This is the reaction of "non entitled" Arsenal fans after a disappointing end to an amazing journey (having won 2 PL titles, 7 FA Cups, and 6 Charity Shields since Levy took over Tottenham):



This is the reaction of "toxic and entitled" Tottenham fans after a disappointing end to an amazing journey (having won 1 League Cup since Levy took over):



Sorry this is a bit OT (and OTT), I just really wanted to reply to that post.

The arsenal fans leaving like that really surprised me also, but that said its not their last home game of the season and at that point they will be their showing their appreciation for their team just like the spurs fans in that clip.

Unfortunately we've all been to games say next to a tw*t who seems more intent on abusing our players above anything else and right now itsl feels like its becoming more and more frequent.

That said i echo the positivity of some of the more recent posts here. When Jose came in we knew it was short termist and we'd be looking again soon, same with Nuno, same with Conte.

The names being banded about suggest theres maybe a chance we're going to plan more long term this time.

 

[olliec]

The absolute worst thing about this whole scenario, all of it: the board, players, lack of manager, ticket prices, lack of DOF, lack of planning, focus on Go Kart tracks over the actual football, the continuously bolstered property portfolio, the state of the squad, the PR fuck ups and the general incompetence in full view in nearly every single facet of this club, is that it kind of renders everything utterly pointless.

What is the purpose of THFC? I'll be damned if I know...

Ambitionless, aimless, barely directionally correct over the last 4-5 years (I'm probably being generous here).

It infuriates me that we likely have people presiding over proceedings that are completely out of touch, outdated, cannot read a room, promote cringeworthy endeavours and just reek of being corporate hacks whose experience and decision making comes from some "modern business" textbook from 2004. It seems they think they understand the game, the fans, what it means to be Spurs, but they are so hideously wrong that it is just laughable.

They strike me as being the kind of group that have blue sky thinking, brainstorms, swim lanes, glide paths, and wanting to know "what good looks like" as their main prerogatives.
Proper Linked-In, cringeworthy, asinine, corporate shitehawks. I don't even think they do it maliciously. I think they're just stupid and hopelessly out of touch and out of date.


I really feel for the fans that go to every game, because they appear to be being completely duped in nearly every way. There was a time when I'd have loved to have been a ST holder, but I've never felt such apathy, irritation, frustration, anger or hostility towards this club as I do now and it's because of ridiculous decision after ridiculous decision which is just hamstringing the sporting side of the club. I cannot abide stupidity and our board are just plain stupid.

I also really feel for those that use football and Spurs as a vehicle for escapism because there's none to be found here at the moment, although that's not me, because I refuse to rely on something that is not within my control for happiness.


There comes a point where you are so full of this weird, confused, raging bewilderment because you cannot see evidence of a single decision having any kind of forethought, and you wonder "how can the board, (who are all paid very handsomely), not grasp this or see this?" They remind me of the hopeless contestants peddling corporate jargon and spiel you'd see on The Apprentice. Knowing full well that it's all just regurgitated stuff they've heard from somewhere that makes them think they'll sound like they know what they're saying.

I literally feel like violently shaking every single one of them and shouting "WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU DOING, YOU CLUELESS MORON?!?"

Until this absolute malaise lifts, until wholesale changes are made, we will continue to be essentially pointless.

That's really sad. I used to have hope, optimism, whatever. Now? Nah.


And so what happens, is some people just begin to not care, walk out, not renew their STs, engage with the club less, watch less, start to phase it out of their lives more.

I'll never not support Spurs, but it's so, so easy to see through the smoke and mirrors at board level and understand just how shambolically badly this club is currently being run by the idiots upstairs, that I'll hold out very little hope of this being a worthwhile passtime (or something to be proud of or excited by) any time soon.

I’ve never felt this disconnected from the club. I even happily missed the game against Villa to go cinema, which in the past I would never have done. Honestly the sad thing is I think levy doesn’t care and nothing will change.
I don’t even think he’s worried about the protests or chants either. I just don’t know how we can force this guy out of this club, but I do know like you I’ll always be a spurs fan through and through, but levy is killing my love for this club.

 

[Gilzean at the near post]

Without knowing the ins and outs I am concerned the club are looking at the Roma DoF Pinto. Wouldn't he have been responsible for Mourinho's appointment?
I really hope we can get a DoF in who has an understanding of the style of play the majority of supporters want to see after we have all endured the fallow Mourinho, Nuno and Conte years of passive non possession football

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

 

[Ribble]

As long as I see that bald little man calling the shots I will never feel positive about this club going forward.

The last two times his neck was anywhere near being on the line he's actually made good appointments in Harry and Poch, so whilst I am hopeful that the pressure will force him to do so again I'd also say keep it on him so he doesn't feel safe and fuck it up!

 

[Silky Skills]

I’ve never felt this disconnected from the club. I even happily missed the game against Villa to go cinema, which in the past I would never have done. Honestly the sad thing is I think levy doesn’t care and nothing will change.
I don’t even think he’s worried about the protests or chants either. I just don’t know how we can force this guy out of this club, but I do know like you I’ll always be a spurs fan through and through, but levy is killing my love for this club.

It's difficult if you have a season ticket as you have invested the money. I am in two minds around staying around after full-time after the weekend, this really should be when the protest chants break out but they won't

 

[Yantino]

is this a wind up

You need to decide when you are ready to turn the page on the negativity because this forum is really hard work sometimes. It's like a goldfish bowl version of Twitter and I'd rather post here where there is at least some positivity and senisble dialogue than on Twitter where you are basically just banging your head against a wall.

It isn't healthy or helpful to continue to comment on others trying to take a positive position from where we are in at the moment. These last few seasons have been horrible and this one in particular has beaten down most of us (including me). But let's try and be positive that this era is coming to an end and the club are trying to structure themselves in a way that moves us forward from the mess of the last few years. The win-now manager idea hasn't worked and it's time to get back to what was working. By the sounds of the names we are being linked with for both the DoF role and also the Head Coach role, I am taking it optimistically that this is what we are trying to do.

COYS.

 

[olliec]

It was a total gamble to let Poch goto Chelsea, but to overlook Nagelsmann is a bigger gamble in my opinion and the fact our PR are coming out saying we was never in for him is a complete lie. 24hrs before that we was reading there will be no competition to appoint Nagalsmann, and that we have a free run without any issues.

 

[floydiohead]

The absolute worst thing about this whole scenario, all of it: the board, players, lack of manager, ticket prices, lack of DOF, lack of planning, focus on Go Kart tracks over the actual football, the continuously bolstered property portfolio, the state of the squad, the PR fuck ups and the general incompetence in full view in nearly every single facet of this club, is that it kind of renders everything utterly pointless.

What is the purpose of THFC? I'll be damned if I know...

Ambitionless, aimless, barely directionally correct over the last 4-5 years (I'm probably being generous here).

It infuriates me that we likely have people presiding over proceedings that are completely out of touch, outdated, cannot read a room, promote cringeworthy endeavours and just reek of being corporate hacks whose experience and decision making comes from some "modern business" textbook from 2004. It seems they think they understand the game, the fans, what it means to be Spurs, but they are so hideously wrong that it is just laughable.

They strike me as being the kind of group that have blue sky thinking, brainstorms, swim lanes, glide paths, and wanting to know "what good looks like" as their main prerogatives.
Proper Linked-In, cringeworthy, asinine, corporate shitehawks. I don't even think they do it maliciously. I think they're just stupid and hopelessly out of touch and out of date.


I really feel for the fans that go to every game, because they appear to be being completely duped in nearly every way. There was a time when I'd have loved to have been a ST holder, but I've never felt such apathy, irritation, frustration, anger or hostility towards this club as I do now and it's because of ridiculous decision after ridiculous decision which is just hamstringing the sporting side of the club. I cannot abide stupidity and our board are just plain stupid.

I also really feel for those that use football and Spurs as a vehicle for escapism because there's none to be found here at the moment, although that's not me, because I refuse to rely on something that is not within my control for happiness.


There comes a point where you are so full of this weird, confused, raging bewilderment because you cannot see evidence of a single decision having any kind of forethought, and you wonder "how can the board, (who are all paid very handsomely), not grasp this or see this?" They remind me of the hopeless contestants peddling corporate jargon and spiel you'd see on The Apprentice. Knowing full well that it's all just regurgitated stuff they've heard from somewhere that makes them think they'll sound like they know what they're saying.

I literally feel like violently shaking every single one of them and shouting "WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU DOING, YOU CLUELESS MORON?!?"

Until this absolute malaise lifts, until wholesale changes are made, we will continue to be essentially pointless.

That's really sad. I used to have hope, optimism, whatever. Now? Nah.


And so what happens, is some people just begin to not care, walk out, not renew their STs, engage with the club less, watch less, start to phase it out of their lives more.

I'll never not support Spurs, but it's so, so easy to see through the smoke and mirrors at board level and understand just how shambolically badly this club is currently being run by the idiots upstairs, that I'll hold out very little hope of this being a worthwhile passtime (or something to be proud of or excited by) any time soon.

Literally the perfect post to sum it all up; and why I have given up.

 

[Stamford]

As I said previously if you let poch go to Chelsea and your didn't speak to nagelsmann apparently then the manager you hire better be an improvement on both.

I get why people are excited about what comes next as change is clearly needed but just changing the manager and DOF isn't enough.

Daniel owns the club so isn't going anywhere but Donna? Todd? Where is the stadium sponsor. The entire structure needs to be changed along with with some key personnel land that's before you get to the fact that you have to spend more. Before anyone says anything arsenal spent a lot he they had no CL

 

[N17NBL]

The absolute worst thing about this whole scenario, all of it: the board, players, lack of manager, ticket prices, lack of DOF, lack of planning, focus on Go Kart tracks over the actual football, the continuously bolstered property portfolio, the state of the squad, the PR fuck ups and the general incompetence in full view in nearly every single facet of this club, is that it kind of renders everything utterly pointless.

What is the purpose of THFC? I'll be damned if I know...

Ambitionless, aimless, barely directionally correct over the last 4-5 years (I'm probably being generous here).

It infuriates me that we likely have people presiding over proceedings that are completely out of touch, outdated, cannot read a room, promote cringeworthy endeavours and just reek of being corporate hacks whose experience and decision making comes from some "modern business" textbook from 2004. It seems they think they understand the game, the fans, what it means to be Spurs, but they are so hideously wrong that it is just laughable.

They strike me as being the kind of group that have blue sky thinking, brainstorms, swim lanes, glide paths, and wanting to know "what good looks like" as their main prerogatives.
Proper Linked-In, cringeworthy, asinine, corporate shitehawks. I don't even think they do it maliciously. I think they're just stupid and hopelessly out of touch and out of date.


I really feel for the fans that go to every game, because they appear to be being completely duped in nearly every way. There was a time when I'd have loved to have been a ST holder, but I've never felt such apathy, irritation, frustration, anger or hostility towards this club as I do now and it's because of ridiculous decision after ridiculous decision which is just hamstringing the sporting side of the club. I cannot abide stupidity and our board are just plain stupid.

I also really feel for those that use football and Spurs as a vehicle for escapism because there's none to be found here at the moment, although that's not me, because I refuse to rely on something that is not within my control for happiness.


There comes a point where you are so full of this weird, confused, raging bewilderment because you cannot see evidence of a single decision having any kind of forethought, and you wonder "how can the board, (who are all paid very handsomely), not grasp this or see this?" They remind me of the hopeless contestants peddling corporate jargon and spiel you'd see on The Apprentice. Knowing full well that it's all just regurgitated stuff they've heard from somewhere that makes them think they'll sound like they know what they're saying.

I literally feel like violently shaking every single one of them and shouting "WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU DOING, YOU CLUELESS MORON?!?"

Until this absolute malaise lifts, until wholesale changes are made, we will continue to be essentially pointless.

That's really sad. I used to have hope, optimism, whatever. Now? Nah.


And so what happens, is some people just begin to not care, walk out, not renew their STs, engage with the club less, watch less, start to phase it out of their lives more.

I'll never not support Spurs, but it's so, so easy to see through the smoke and mirrors at board level and understand just how shambolically badly this club is currently being run by the idiots upstairs, that I'll hold out very little hope of this being a worthwhile passtime (or something to be proud of or excited by) any time soon.

Absolutely brilliant and couldn’t agree more. People at the club need to read this

 

[robertgoulet]

About a month too late commissioning this piece, Daniel.

 

[KingNick]

About a month too late commissioning this piece, Daniel.

Very good point. And further evidence of why the club's PR is one of the things that needs changing more than anything. Had they leaked reasons for not wanting Poch early doors then at least fans could have started to understand a bit better. Draw a clear line in the sand. Unless (before Chelsea came up) Levy always thought Poch would be sitting waiting and he could always fall back on that option if other targets didn't work out.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

You need to decide when you are ready to turn the page on the negativity because this forum is really hard work sometimes. It's like a goldfish bowl version of Twitter and I'd rather post here where there is at least some positivity and senisble dialogue than on Twitter where you are basically just banging your head against a wall.

It isn't healthy or helpful to continue to comment on others trying to take a positive position from where we are in at the moment. These last few seasons have been horrible and this one in particular has beaten down most of us (including me). But let's try and be positive that this era is coming to an end and the club are trying to structure themselves in a way that moves us forward from the mess of the last few years. The win-now manager idea hasn't worked and it's time to get back to what was working. By the sounds of the names we are being linked with for both the DoF role and also the Head Coach role, I am taking it optimistically that this is what we are trying to do.

COYS.

Such a good post and love the positivity as it is becoming a little like Twitter on here at times whilst we wait for the DofF and Manager searches to be concluded however a lot of the worry is valid because of the previous mistakes Levy has made especially the last 3 years.

You're right looking at it objectively and 'positively' it seems as though the club has done an internal review of the footballing operations and hopefully will learn from the mistakes of the last 3 years and have hired Munn as Chief Football Officer as part of the start of this restructure.

That being said I suppose its a fine line between say ending up with a combination such as Pinto and Glasner (where it'll be much of the same and nothing new, fresh, brave or exciting) vs say hiring the former Leverkeusen DofF Tim Steidten who has signed a lot of young exciting players as well as a Manager such as Slot or big Ange who both play very exciting attractive football.

It isn't healthy for everyone to keep feeding this cycle of negativity over and over when we don't have any control over this and ultimately we don't really know where we will land but a certain level of concern for the final outcome is valid given the past and most especially the last 3 years.

Lets hope as you say this 'era' is coming to an end and we can restructure ourselves in a more positive way with a DofF who will sign young and exciting players and a manager who plays exciting, front foot, brave, passing, energetic, attacking football.

 

[Tucker]

Such a good post and love the positivity as it is becoming a little like Twitter on here at times whilst we wait for the DofF and Manager searches to be concluded however a lot of the worry is valid because of the previous mistakes Levy has made especially the last 3 years.

You're right looking at it objectively and 'positively' it seems as though the club has done an internal review of the footballing operations and hopefully will learn from the mistakes of the last 3 years.

That being said I suppose its a fine line between say ending up with a combination such as Pinto and Glasner (where it'll be much of the same and nothing new fresh brave or exciting) vs say hiring the former Leverkeusen DofF Tim Steidten who has signed a lot of young exciting players as well as a Manager such as Slot or big Ange who both play very exciting attractive football.

It isn't healthy for everyone to keep feeding this cycle of negativity over and over when we don't have any control over this and ultimately we don't really know where we will land but a certain level of concern for the final outcome is valid given the past and most especially the last 3 years.

Lets hope as you say this 'era' is coming to an end and we can restructure ourselves in a more positive way with a DofF you will sign young and exciting players and a manager who plays exciting front foot brave passing energetic attacking football.

Agree with all this. But there comes a point where the constant negativity on here becomes too much, and I think we are way passed that tbh, it’s become a bit of a bin fire.

. Football is supposed to be fun, we are allowed to have hope.

 

[jpascavitz]

It was a total gamble to let Poch goto Chelsea, but to overlook Nagelsmann is a bigger gamble in my opinion and the fact our PR are coming out saying we was never in for him is a complete lie. 24hrs before that we was reading there will be no competition to appoint Nagalsmann, and that we have a free run without any issues.

I hate to be that "hopeless romantic" but just seems odd to me that if we did have someone like Stiedten in - in the next week or two, that JN wouldn't be open to hear him out? But also, something else could have happened between discussions of JN and the board so who knows...

 

[HedgieSpur]

Is it just me or is anyone else feeling quite positive and excited for where we are headed?

The last few years have been so poor to watch (bar a few matches), I'm personally really encouraged by the type of names we are being linked with for these roles at the club. It's encouraging to me and i'm excited for what it could look like next season.

I guess it depends how positive or negative you choose to be about things. I choose to be positive.

Honestly, I feel that we have reverted to the mean, having squandered our chance of being consistently at the top table.

That isn't actually as negative as it sounds....more a recognition of what we had, failed to build on and where we are back to. I don't see us consistently challenging for Top 4 in the foreseeable future with 7th-10th being our range for a while.

I sincerely hope in our new found state, we start taking any cup competition seriously because that is likely to be our main hope of having something meaningful to cheer about.

 

[wrd]

Is it just me or is anyone else feeling quite positive and excited for where we are headed?

The last few years have been so poor to watch (bar a few matches), I'm personally really encouraged by the type of names we are being linked with for these roles at the club. It's encouraging to me and i'm excited for what it could look like next season.

I guess it depends how positive or negative you choose to be about things. I choose to be positive.

No I'm pretty excited too, the reason why is pretty simple, I think that the club, the players and fans are at the point where we're all finally giving up and stop trying to force the issue with trying to win things. I think finally letting go will actually release all the tension and we're going to loosen up and we're going to do a lot better than any of us could ever have hoped.

If that does happen how I'm kinda anticipating, I think the trouble will come when we all start to get excited and believe and all that hope and expectation comes back and along with it the tension. Then it's whether we can realise that loosening up was what benefitted us and the problem will come will be when we try and force loosening up .