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[Ginola+Tonic]

Pep bigging up de Zerbi again. It's so obvious spurs!

I think Pep is being devious here, he knows we have big plans so he’s trying to point us to De Zerbi to derail us

 

[McFlash]

What would you say we’ve done to be considered one of the biggest clubs in world football?
Other than play in the premier league.

And the manager thing, money definitely talks!!
There’s a reason a lot of fans thought it felt like Conte was doing us a favour and often appeared he thought he was bigger than us.

Money.
Football is all about money these days and we've got a fair bit.
That's what makes us one of the biggest clubs in world football, the money we've got, make and are able to spend.

Our stadium and top class facilities also help but it's mainly about money.

 

[Stamford]

I think Pep is being devious here, he knows we have big plans so he’s trying to point us to De Zerbi to derail us

he's been speaking about him for awhile though

 

[Albertbarich]

I know he is somewhat flavour of the month but the football De Zerbi's Brighton play is absolutely amazing. I can't resist wanting him here if he gets us playing like that.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

The absolute worst thing about this whole scenario, all of it: the board, players, lack of manager, ticket prices, lack of DOF, lack of planning, focus on Go Kart tracks over the actual football, the continuously bolstered property portfolio, the state of the squad, the PR fuck ups and the general incompetence in full view in nearly every single facet of this club, is that it kind of renders everything utterly pointless.

What is the purpose of THFC? I'll be damned if I know...

Ambitionless, aimless, barely directionally correct over the last 4-5 years (I'm probably being generous here).

It infuriates me that we likely have people presiding over proceedings that are completely out of touch, outdated, cannot read a room, promote cringeworthy endeavours and just reek of being corporate hacks whose experience and decision making comes from some "modern business" textbook from 2004. It seems they think they understand the game, the fans, what it means to be Spurs, but they are so hideously wrong that it is just laughable.

They strike me as being the kind of group that have blue sky thinking, brainstorms, swim lanes, glide paths, and wanting to know "what good looks like" as their main prerogatives.
Proper Linked-In, cringeworthy, asinine, corporate shitehawks. I don't even think they do it maliciously. I think they're just stupid and hopelessly out of touch and out of date.


I really feel for the fans that go to every game, because they appear to be being completely duped in nearly every way. There was a time when I'd have loved to have been a ST holder, but I've never felt such apathy, irritation, frustration, anger or hostility towards this club as I do now and it's because of ridiculous decision after ridiculous decision which is just hamstringing the sporting side of the club. I cannot abide stupidity and our board are just plain stupid.

I also really feel for those that use football and Spurs as a vehicle for escapism because there's none to be found here at the moment, although that's not me, because I refuse to rely on something that is not within my control for happiness.


There comes a point where you are so full of this weird, confused, raging bewilderment because you cannot see evidence of a single decision having any kind of forethought, and you wonder "how can the board, (who are all paid very handsomely), not grasp this or see this?" They remind me of the hopeless contestants peddling corporate jargon and spiel you'd see on The Apprentice. Knowing full well that it's all just regurgitated stuff they've heard from somewhere that makes them think they'll sound like they know what they're saying.

I literally feel like violently shaking every single one of them and shouting "WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE YOU DOING, YOU CLUELESS MORON?!?"

Until this absolute malaise lifts, until wholesale changes are made, we will continue to be essentially pointless.

That's really sad. I used to have hope, optimism, whatever. Now? Nah.


And so what happens, is some people just begin to not care, walk out, not renew their STs, engage with the club less, watch less, start to phase it out of their lives more.

I'll never not support Spurs, but it's so, so easy to see through the smoke and mirrors at board level and understand just how shambolically badly this club is currently being run by the idiots upstairs, that I'll hold out very little hope of this being a worthwhile passtime (or something to be proud of or excited by) any time soon.

Yeah, I'm here too. Some heads need shaking at the top of the tree and soon.

 

[ButchCassidy]

But we're also one of the hardest jobs in world football with a very high level of expectations, very little patience, a board structure that doesn't back the manager appropriately, and a group of players that are mentally weak

All of these things are true; they are also hardly unique to Spurs. Look at any big(ish) club that has suffered a year or two of failure and you will see many similar, often identical, complaints.

 

[septicsac]

Dont need Pep to tell you what DeZebri is all about, just watch Brighton operate, sticking out like a sore thumb as the best candidate from the Premier league that might be attainable.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

aptly described it as an anchor,

(That was actually me)

 

[KaribYid]

People do realize that the players we have on the roster can't play like that, right?

We don't have the forwards or the midfielders to have an effective press, nor have players who can make quick forward passes and movements. We are slow afoot, and slow of thought when we are in possession.


The issue with slow play is not the manager - its the limitations of the players.

I disagree, Bluto. The reason we're slow in possession is because we haven't been coached how to structure any sustained build up play for years now.

What makes Brighton, City, Feyenoord etc play such attractive football isn't because they have more technically proficient or quicker thinking players than us. It's that their movements have been drilled into them by the coaches so that the player in possession always has multiple options to choose from. The availability of options as well as quality coaching allows them to move the ball faster. It the philosophy of juego de posición:

The players will have specific tasks and responsibilities within these zones depending on the phase of the game. The unique thing about this concept is that the options are predetermined by the position of the ball. If the ball is on the left wing at midfield, then the zones that must be occupied are entirely different than when the ball is on the right half of your own 18 yard box. The team must use continuous ball-oriented shifts when in possession. These shifts must be coordinated to give the team as many passing options and running lanes as possible while simultaneously causing the opposition problems. Short passes, switched balls, and the rotation of the ball’s position are all important tools that are defined by the complex positional tasks assigned to the players

Every top flight footballer has elite technical ability. Our players are no worse than any other team. What we sorely lack is coaching as to how to structure our build ups in possession.

We only know how to counterattack as that's what our players have been coached for four years straight. Conte and Mourinho are elite a coaching that style of football but that is vastly different from coaching elite positional play.

Here's the article where the above quote came from if anyone's interested:

Juego de Posición – A short explanation

“Juego de Posicion” is a widely unknown concept in Austria and Germany. To coaches in Spain and the Netherlands it is a philosophical ideal that few know how to coach. In German-speaking countries, however, “Positionsspiel” has a different, more simple definition that loses many of the important...

spielverlagerung.com

 

[FloridaSpur]

Slot would be a fool to stay at Feyenoord if we come a calling. We take the piss but we're still one of the biggest jobs in world football. You snooze, you "might" lose

If we are still "one of the biggest jobs in World football", why did JL want nothing to do with us?

 

[Strikeb4ck]

I disagree, Bluto. The reason we're slow in possession is because we haven't been coached how to structure any sustained build up play for years now.

What makes Brighton, City, Feyenoord etc play such attractive football isn't because they have more technically proficient or quicker thinking players than us. It's that their movements have been drilled into them by the coaches so that the player in possession always has multiple options to choose from. The availability of options as well as quality coaching allows them to move the ball faster. It the philosophy of juego de posición:



Every top flight footballer has elite technical ability. Our players are no worse than any other team. What we sorely lack is coaching as to how to structure our build ups in possession.

We only know how to counterattack as that's what our players have been coached for four years straight. Conte and Mourinho are elite a coaching that style of football but that is vastly different from coaching elite positional play.

Here's the article where the above quote came from if anyone's interested:

Juego de Posición – A short explanation

“Juego de Posicion” is a widely unknown concept in Austria and Germany. To coaches in Spain and the Netherlands it is a philosophical ideal that few know how to coach. In German-speaking countries, however, “Positionsspiel” has a different, more simple definition that loses many of the important...

spielverlagerung.com

Wish everyone would read this post, you're 100% spot on.

 

[cliff jones]

Wish everyone would read this post, you're 100% spot on.

I can't agree that our current CMs and most of our CBs can execute this style of play, which requires some degree of vision, spatial awareness, good first touch, and passing technique

 

[soflapaul]

I disagree, Bluto. The reason we're slow in possession is because we haven't been coached how to structure any sustained build up play for years now.

What makes Brighton, City, Feyenoord etc play such attractive football isn't because they have more technically proficient or quicker thinking players than us. It's that their movements have been drilled into them by the coaches so that the player in possession always has multiple options to choose from. The availability of options as well as quality coaching allows them to move the ball faster. It the philosophy of juego de posición:



Every top flight footballer has elite technical ability. Our players are no worse than any other team. What we sorely lack is coaching as to how to structure our build ups in possession.

We only know how to counterattack as that's what our players have been coached for four years straight. Conte and Mourinho are elite a coaching that style of football but that is vastly different from coaching elite positional play.

Here's the article where the above quote came from if anyone's interested:

Juego de Posición – A short explanation

“Juego de Posicion” is a widely unknown concept in Austria and Germany. To coaches in Spain and the Netherlands it is a philosophical ideal that few know how to coach. In German-speaking countries, however, “Positionsspiel” has a different, more simple definition that loses many of the important...

spielverlagerung.com

While i think you are correct for the most part, (our off ball movement is ponderous when it happens), the inconsistency in our passing is a problem. Consider how many passes are played in front of a player much less hitting him in stride. The maddening thing is that there are times when we are clicking and it is a thing of beauty. and then there are other times when the exact same players are passing behind a player, overcooking the pass, providing hospital passes, etc.

The first thing to be sorted has to be the player's mentality. They are weak. They reflect each other's energy, they absorb the crowd's energy. No one seems to be be able to lead them out of a funk on a consistent basis. If you asked me, i'd figure out who the best sports psychiatrist on the planet is, hire him at any cost and then take his recommendations on who do discharge once he thohas had a chance to work with the team. Turning some of these players back into the players they were would save a whole bunch of money allowing us to really spend on the important positions starting with CB. We need someone imperious there immediately.) That in turn would allow a coach to get the most of them and hence, be coachable to quite a few coaches out there.

 

[bceej]

Pep bigging up de Zerbi again. It's so obvious spurs!

Playing them soon then?

 

[knowlespurs]

If we are still "one of the biggest jobs in World football", why did JL want nothing to do with us?

We turned him down remember
Coys
Daniel

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Pep bigging up de Zerbi again. It's so obvious spurs!

Does that with any manager who plays anything that resembles his JdP style of football. Was mad about Potter at Brighton, too.

 

[sidford]

Does that with any manager who plays anything that resembles his JdP style of football. Was mad about Potter at Brighton, too.

And for Pep more importantly he does it for clubs he doesn't consider a rival. Would never do it for a club he actually takes seriously.

 

[yellowbean]

Dont need Pep to tell you what DeZebri is all about, just watch Brighton operate, sticking out like a sore thumb as the best candidate from the Premier league that might be attainable.

He's been my preferred option for a while. His post match with Sky was interesting on Sunday, almost resigned to losing Macallister and Caceido and he mentioned Mitoma and another too.
I cant imagine any manager wouldnt be tempted away with his players moving on to bigger sides while he stays put to start again (as good as Brightons scouting/contingency planning is).

 

[Trix]

 

[HildoSpur]

I sincerely hope things are happening behind the scenes because if we just spend weeks considering what to do we will likely lose a lot of the potential options as they will go elsewhere or sign new contracts with their clubs.