Next Manager Watch

[RJR1949]

Ok here's my thoughts, on the understanding that the top names that we've fooled ourselves thinking about have all told us to do one I believe we have to accept we ain't in contention for trophies in the next couple of years so we don't need a proven winner we need a coach who can get us playing as a team not reliant on individuals, one who even if they can't take us to the top can give us the foundations and the route to the top.
My obvious candidate is Potter and although many of you won't like it I believe he would be the right option. His time at Chelsea is as much or more about that club and the owner who spent a fortune and still never got a striker nor did he seem to understand that Potter wasn't going to give him instant success.
Potter's record at Brighton cannot be questioned, they were everybody's favourite to go down when he took over and he turned around their style of play and their expectations and did it without a striker worth the name there either.
Brighton improved each season and although Di Zerbi is getting the plaudits there's no reason to suppose Potter wouldn't have presided over the same improvement had he still been there. On the other hand if you believe he wouldn't have done, then at least he built the model for Di Zerbi to take forward and even that would be a fucking massive bonus for us at the moment the state we're in.
Seriously we ain't in a place to think about success right now, if anything where we are we need to think about avoiding failure and steaming away from the maelstrom.
On that basis I respectfully put Graham Potter forward as my preferred option as our new coach.
Sorry I didn't moan, attack or slag off anyone and everyone like we're supposed to be doing in this thread but I just thought I'd try something different.
If anybody disagrees with me fine but please make your argument as to why and what is your better option.

A thoughtful post. Thank you.

My concern is that hiring Potter or even De Zerbi would not be sufficient to bring success. Yes they have been shown to be good coaches but they have succeeded because behind them is a top class recruitment system built on data analysis and aligned to a known system of play that has fed the coaches a stream of players that fit into how Brighton plays.

It’s the lack of this system that holds us back - Brighton would never have paid out a fee at the top of their budget for a wing back knowing that it is possible they were a couple of months away from dismissing a manager who plays a back 3 and hiring one who plays a back 4. Brighton buys players and appoints coaches who play the Brighton way.

So in many ways what matters most for the club now is defining the Tottenham way of playing and getting a DOF who can recruit players, develop academy players and appoint a coach who can bring the aspired to Tottenham way to life.

If all the club does is appoint yet another coach without aligning the whole club, then it doesn’t matter who the new coach is, we’ll be back here having another meltdown in 18 months time.

 

[worcestersauce]

I don't think Potter has the strength of character to deal with this club currently, Brighton had already laid out the foundations for him without any toxic, controlling shit going on in the background, he's just had all that nonsense at Chelsea, It would be the wrong move for him IMO
Again, just opinion but I don't see him ever setting up a team like De Zerbi, wouldn't surprise me if RDZ wins a PL with a City/Liverpool etc..
Our best bet is someone with a stronger character that can get the fans onboard and mange upwards with that idiot, Big Ange is the perfect character but it's 50/50 if his football translates.

My only problem with that is we've had Mourinho and Conte and I don't think we can say they don't have strength of character and they failed so maybe a different approach might be worthwhile.
I don't know anything about Ange but is he stronger than those two?

 

[sidford]

Just thought I would make you all feel better

This day 9 years ago we appointed Poch

 

[A Bit Much]

Just thought I would make you all feel better

This day 9 years ago we appointed Poch

And most weren't entirely sure about him, so that provides a bit of hope for those concerned about the current options.

That's me trying to put a positive spin on this sunny day.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

You're not looking hard enough!

Maybe it was so bright it blinded me

 

[Tucker]

So lads what we losing our shit about today? I’m ready to rage

Depends what the aggregators decide to whip up.

 

[DannyNZ]

A thoughtful post. Thank you.

My concern is that hiring Potter or even De Zerbi would not be sufficient to bring success. Yes they have been shown to be good coaches but they have succeeded because behind them is a top class recruitment system built on data analysis and aligned to a known system of play that has fed the coaches a stream of players that fit into how Brighton plays.

It’s the lack of this system that holds us back - Brighton would never have paid out a fee at the top of their budget for a wing back knowing that it is possible they were a couple of months away from dismissing a manager who plays a back 3 and hiring one who plays a back 4. Brighton buys players and appoints coaches who play the Brighton way.

So in many ways what matters most for the club now is defining the Tottenham way of playing and getting a DOF who can recruit players, develop academy players and appoint a coach who can bring the aspired to Tottenham way to life.

If all the club does is appoint yet another coach without aligning the whole club, then it doesn’t matter who the new coach is, we’ll be back here having another meltdown in 18 months time.

I don’t disagree, but there is no tangible evidence that we are any closer to having a DOF. The total lack of any planning has been surprising and frankly negligent. At least if we had a DOF then we could participate in the transfer market but instead we’re sinking like a stone.

 

[only1waddle]

My only problem with that is we've had Mourinho and Conte and I don't think we can say they don't have strength of character and they failed so maybe a different approach might be worthwhile.
I don't know anything about Ange but is he stronger than those two?

They had strength of character granted, I should have elaborated and said a sunnier nature with a strength of character, which Ange has, but doesn't take shit either.

 

[worcestersauce]

A thoughtful post. Thank you.

My concern is that hiring Potter or even De Zerbi would not be sufficient to bring success. Yes they have been shown to be good coaches but they have succeeded because behind them is a top class recruitment system built on data analysis and aligned to a known system of play that has fed the coaches a stream of players that fit into how Brighton plays.

It’s the lack of this system that holds us back - Brighton would never have paid out a fee at the top of their budget for a wing back knowing that it is possible they were a couple of months away from dismissing a manager who plays a back 3 and hiring one who plays a back 4. Brighton buys players and appoints coaches who play the Brighton way.

So in many ways what matters most for the club now is defining the Tottenham way of playing and getting a DOF who can recruit players, develop academy players and appoint a coach who can bring the aspired to Tottenham way to life.

If all the club does is appoint yet another coach without aligning the whole club, then it doesn’t matter who the new coach is, we’ll be back here having another meltdown in 18 months time.

In a roundabout way that's sort of my thinking but I think Potter would be the right coach for doing that. If you have the team playing as a team then finding players to suit that system becomes easier and the same goes for a new coach if necessary.

 

[Shanks]

I don't think Potter has the strength of character to deal with this club currently, Brighton had already laid out the foundations for him without any toxic, controlling shit going on in the background, he's just had all that nonsense at Chelsea, It would be the wrong move for him IMO
Again, just opinion but I don't see him ever setting up a team like De Zerbi, wouldn't surprise me if RDZ wins a PL with a City/Liverpool etc..
Our best bet is someone with a stronger character that can get the fans onboard and mange upwards with that idiot, Big Ange is the perfect character but it's 50/50 if his football translates.

Jose and conte failed and they are about as strong a manager as you get

 

[only1waddle]

Jose and conte failed and they are about as strong a manager as you get

Except the football was shit which didn't inspire us, and Conte can't manage up.
I should of added, sunnier nature, like a JOL with a strength of character.

 

[Japhet]

My only problem with that is we've had Mourinho and Conte and I don't think we can say they don't have strength of character and they failed so maybe a different approach might be worthwhile.
I don't know anything about Ange but is he stronger than those two?

Mourinho and Conte certainly had strength of character but they also played dull, formula based football. I'm pretty sure the players would welcome the chance to play with a bit of freedom and Ange would certainly bring that. Whether he's a good option to oversee a major overhaul would be my main concern though, and Nagelsmann is the only one available who I'd be reasonably confident with on that front (but Levy may have already sunk that one).

 

[only1waddle]

Mourinho and Conte certainly had strength of character but they also played dull, formula based football. I'm pretty sure the players would welcome the chance to play with a bit of freedom and Ange would certainly bring that. Whether he's a good option to oversee a major overhaul would be my main concern though, and Nagelsmann is the only one available who I'd be reasonably confident with on that front (but Levy may have already sunk that one).

By all accounts a rebuild is something Ange gets his rocks off on, going to clubs down in the dumps and firing them up again.

 

[kent brockman]

I don't think Potter has the strength of character to deal with this club currently, Brighton had already laid out the foundations for him without any toxic, controlling shit going on in the background, he's just had all that nonsense at Chelsea, It would be the wrong move for him IMO
Again, just opinion but I don't see him ever setting up a team like De Zerbi, wouldn't surprise me if RDZ wins a PL with a City/Liverpool etc..
Our best bet is someone with a stronger character that can get the fans onboard and mange upwards with that idiot, Big Ange is the perfect character but it's 50/50 if his football translates.

I agree that Potter certainly does not have the charisma of Slot or Ange.
Still think he deserves credit for Brighton’s massive improvement under his tenure.
Not sure when Brighton’s structure was implemented, but he certainly did way better than Hughton.
Definitely not an easy choice for us, if our options now would be limited to Potter, Ange or Rodgers.

 

[Japhet]

By all accounts a rebuild is something Ange gets his rocks off on, going to clubs down in the dumps and firing them up again.

True, but he's only done that at a very low level. Maybe he could do it, but I don't know what kind of players we'd be able to attract in his first season here, and we need a major overhaul right now. I think any players would want a bit of evidence before committing to us and Ange won't have that luxury.

 

[greaves]

Maybe it was so bright it blinded me

Nah...

 

[only1waddle]

I agree that Potter certainly does not have the charisma of Slot or Ange.
Still think he deserves credit for Brighton’s massive improvement under his tenure.
Not sure when Brighton’s structure was implemented, but he certainly did way better than Hughton.
Certainly not an easy choice for us, if our options now would be limited to Potter, Ange or Rodgers.

He did improve Brighton in the third season, only improved Hughton by one place in the first two, probably because of budget and them being a small club.
I agree it's desperate times but I don't think Potter is the right character.

 

[St José Dominguez]

I don't think Potter has the strength of character to deal with this club currently, Brighton had already laid out the foundations for him without any toxic, controlling shit going on in the background, he's just had all that nonsense at Chelsea, It would be the wrong move for him IMO
Again, just opinion but I don't see him ever setting up a team like De Zerbi, wouldn't surprise me if RDZ wins a PL with a City/Liverpool etc..
Our best bet is someone with a stronger character that can get the fans onboard and mange upwards with that idiot, Big Ange is the perfect character but it's 50/50 if his football translates.

Personally think De Zerbi is getting far too much praise for the way Brighton play and Potter getting far too little. De Zerbi has improved them but without what Potter had done it would’ve taken him a lot longer to get them near this level, if even at all. Potter went in there and completely transformed their style of play and has them in a position where as long as the manager choices are correct along with their smart recruitment it will sustain them as a PL club for some time.

 

[spursfan77]

Personally think De Zerbi is getting far too much praise for the way Brighton play and Potter getting far too little. De Zerbi has improved them but without what Potter had done it would’ve taken him a lot longer to get them near this level, if even at all. Potter went in there and completely transformed their style of play and has them in a position where as long as the manager choices are correct along with their smart recruitment it will sustain them as a PL club for some time.

I would stay clear of both right now. I caught the end of the Barber high performance podcast and although he said some nice things about de zerbi, I didn’t think them revelatory. He’d be ahead of other candidates for sure, but getting him to recreate what’s happened there at thfc is a massive stretch.

It’s pretty much impossible to know which way to turn now and I think the papers don’t have a single clue either so there’s no point listening to them. My only hope is when the German season ends we approach Nagelsmann again (if it’s true about the clause) and follow through with him and his DOF. But I suspect I’m pissing in the wind on that one.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Depends what the aggregators decide to whip up.

Usually drug dealers don't make you wait this long for product but I guess business must be good.

Fuckers.