Next Manager Watch

[SUIYHA]

We're not Brighton and this idea we should be like Brighton or Dortmund seems silly to me. Everything about this search and our club is reactive because we went with Conte so now we should never hire a winner again.

Dortmund have been infinitely more successful than us over the past 10-15 years I'd love to be more like them. The reality is we're not in Europe and we've got at least 6 clubs with more money and resources than we do - we have to find ways to get creative and spot talent that's gone under the radar or considered "tarnished" in some way. Look at all of our most successful signings and managers over the last 20 odd years:

Defoe and Carrick - relegated with West Ham, too inconsistent
Bale - too much money for a 17 year old left-back
Modric - too small and lightweight for the Premier League
Redknapp - too old and no experience of managing anything other than teams happy just being safe in mid-table
Van der Vaart - Madrid reject, couldn't hack it at the top
Eriksen - too inconsistent so turned down by all of Europe's top clubs
Pochettino - doesn't speak English properly, no top level experience or trophies to his name
Son - inconsistent and stuck on Leverkusen's bench
Alderweireld - failed to establish himself at Atletico


It doesn't mean that we should ignore any managers who have achieved things but we need to find someone who's either still working to prove themselves or has some sort of "baggage" hanging over their heads, otherwise quite simply, they won't be interested in us and they'll probably have better options. Remember - we are not in Europe and haven't won anything in 15 years...

 

[ajspurs]

Ange Postecoglou and Marco Silva, fucking hell. Not saying they're bad coaches, but I really thought we'd be aiming a bit higher.

Seems like it will be Ange Postecoglou at the moment though, and I can't even bring myself to watch these videos and read these articles that people are posting, but if he's appointed I'm sure I'll do the most to convince myself he's a good appointment. It's been a long time since I've been so sceptical of an appointment if it happens. Even with Nuno, the hassle his Wolves side used to be for most opponents was enough for me to eventually accept the appointment in my head.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

but I really thought we'd be aiming a bit higher.

At Spurs, we aim so low, that even success will have in it an echo of failure.

 

[SUIYHA]

The concerning thing for me is how long it's taken and who we've overlooked during that process. I hope he does well but at the same time I'm disappointed not that I'm surprised.

That said if he's well known to Munn at least he may have someone on his side fighting his corner.

IF, and it's a big IF, we appoint Postecoglu straight after the Scottish Cup final, a narrative could be spun that he was Munn and the club's first choice all along but we had to wait until the end of the season to get him as was the originally stated plan - links to Tuchel, Slot and others were just paper talk or the club doing a bit of due diligence as part of the search.

I'd be amazed if he was genuinely the first name the board came up with when sacking Conte, but it could be made to appear at least that this was always the plan.

If we get to the end of June and there's still a load of will he/won't he speculation then we'll know for sure that they are making things up as they go along and that none of the lessons from 2021 have been learned.

 

[easley91]

Ange Postecoglou and Marco Silva, fucking hell. Not saying they're bad coaches, but I really thought we'd be aiming a bit higher.

Seems like it will be Ange Postecoglou at the moment though, and I can't even bring myself to watch these videos and read these articles that people are posting, but if he's appointed I'm sure I'll do the most to convince myself he's a good appointment. It's been a long time since I've been so sceptical of an appointment if it happens. Even with Nuno, the hassle his Wolves side used to be for most opponents was enough for me to eventually accept the appointment in my head.

We were in for Nagelsmann but that hasn't worked out for whatever reason and Enrique is on the list, as was Tuchel before Munich got him in. So who says we were not aiming higher to begin with?

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

maybe it is. But what's inescapable is that only two teams win the league there. He's performances in Europe are rubbish and that's the real marker for me. Maybe it works and I'll be very happy to be proved wrong but there isn't evidence to show that it will work here.

To be fair, he probably won't have worry about European performances here....

 

[Hertsspur10]

Please not Marco Silva. Can’t handle another miserable Portuguese pragamatist.

Interestingly someone in this thread the other day reported back from a conversation they had with a top level football coach who suggested Silva should be our top choice.

First time I've seen his name mentioned in the media

 

[soflapaul]

"AI, give me a summary of the posts overnight in the Next Manager thread"

"There have been 18.3 pages consisting of 421 posts by 62 different accounts.

• 3.8% of posts contain original material or new information
• 89.2 % of the posts are repeat posts with the wording and sentence structure changed slightly to accomodate greater emotion and anger.
• 2.9 % of the posts are copy paste posts from earlier in the thread
• 4.1% of the posts belong in other threads
• The Ange in supporters think the Ange skeptical folks are idiots by a 6.2 to 1 ratio.
• The non "JN in" think the JN supporters are delusional by a 42 to 1 ratio.
• The Enrique in supporters are being ignored by teh JN and Ange supporters at a ratio of 12 to 1.
• The Mason in supporters are seen as hopeless romantics by a ratio of 120 to 1 by all others.
• 98.6% of posts think DL is a detriment to the team
• 1.4% of the posts are supportive of DL and have sentence structures and word choices that are a 97.5% match to Donna Cullen
• Surprisingly, there have been zero mentions of the cheese room and only five mentions of world class facilities.
• The number of overused memes was 6.
• Humanity is doomed if governments are run similar to how the Spurs board operates

Will there be anything else?"

 

[McFlash]

Last season and the season prior highlight the importance of getting the ‘right manager’.

Brighton - stepped up at level under de Zerbi
Newcastle - almost relegated, now a top three side with a few key signings
Aston Villa - in serious trouble under Gerrard. Qualified for Europe with the same players. Extremely difficult to break down and more importantly they were picking up wins instead of draws

You then get the poor appointments:

Spurs - Stellini = free fall
Leeds - Allardyce = relegated
Chelsea - Lampard = horrendous form for a club with huge resources

This is so important, to get "the right man".
For me, that's why I'm happy to not bother much about past achievements and such, also why I'm not as 'insulted' as some over the idea of Postecoglu.

BMJ had next to no experience when he took charge of us and to be honest, didn't really go on to do that much afterwards but what he was, was the right man at the right time.

To me, it feels a little churlish to be so dismissive of these so called "lesser" names because none of us know how they may turn out.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Ange Postecoglou and Marco Silva, fucking hell. Not saying they're bad coaches, but I really thought we'd be aiming a bit higher.

Seems like it will be Ange Postecoglou at the moment though, and I can't even bring myself to watch these videos and read these articles that people are posting, but if he's appointed I'm sure I'll do the most to convince myself he's a good appointment. It's been a long time since I've been so sceptical of an appointment if it happens. Even with Nuno, the hassle his Wolves side used to be for most opponents was enough for me to eventually accept the appointment in my head.

We did aim higher

And we missed

 

[Trix]

IF, and it's a big IF, we appoint Postecoglu straight after the Scottish Cup final, a narrative could be spun that he was Munn and the club's first choice all along but we had to wait until the end of the season to get him as was the originally stated plan - links to Tuchel, Slot and others were just paper talk or the club doing a bit of due diligence as part of the search.

I'd be amazed if he was genuinely the first name the board came up with when sacking Conte, but it could be made to appear at least that this was always the plan.

If we get to the end of June and there's still a load of will he/won't he speculation then we'll know for sure that they are making things up as they go along and that none of the lessons from 2021 have been learned.

I'm sure it will by some.

 

[synththfc]

Ange is a good man

Ange plays fluid attacking football

Ange has a history of uniting fanbases

Ange has a history of making average players play above themselves

I’ll be supporting Ange

 

[Ghost Hardware]

So we are choosing a manager before a DoF. I fear/suspect the so called DoF will be a watered down role. Well let see what happens

Everything I’ve heard about Ange is that he likes to be In charge of player recruitment. It could be a case that we are now holding off because if we get him we won’t even bring in a DoF. Personally I think a DoF should have been hired a long time ago and is essential to finding the right manager but it seems Munn and Levy think differently.

 

[danielneeds]

Interestingly someone in this thread the other day reported back from a conversation they had with a top level football coach who suggested Silva should be our top choice.

First time I've seen his name mentioned in the media

He’s a good coach, there’s no doubt. Fulham did overperfom their xG this season by a staggering amount, but he did a fantastic job. And they obviously walked the Championship last year.

But we’ve been worn down by two overly pragmatic counter-attacking managers, we need a change of approach, and he’s very much more of the same.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Ange has a history of uniting fanbases

Care to expand on this?

 

[HedgieSpur]

Ange is a good man

Ange plays fluid attacking football

Ange has a history of uniting fanbases

Ange has a history of making average players play above themselves

I’ll be supporting Ange

If only rejuventating our club were that simple.

 

[Trix]

Everything I’ve heard about Ange is that he likes to be In charge of player recruitment. It could be a case that we are now holding off because if we get him we won’t even bring in a DoF. Personally I think a DoF should have been hired a long time ago and is essential to finding the right manager but it seems Munn and Levy think differently.

Fabio's people are still in the building I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up the heavy lifting in this regard and the transfer committee is reborn.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

If it is Ange it will be interesting to see what our transfer policy is as those deemed good enough for Celtic certainly aren’t anywhere near the level required for the EPL.

 

[synththfc]

Care to expand on this?

Obviously relative given Celtic’s level of success, but they had just lost the league to their bitter rivals for the first time in over a decade and they were biting each other’s heads off (a little like we are now). Ange is appointed and the division grows further (how dare you appoint a J League manager etc etc, sorta like us with “how dare you appoint a celtic manager etc etc), but gets his team playing incredible football and the fanbase united and absolutely adores him now.

Like I said, all relative and the prem is a different animal, but we need someone like that

 

[djhotspur]

lost 4-1 to Roma in Europe good game some late goals as they pushed on but they were outplayed most of that game by a fairly average Rome side - which proves nothing really but if your comparing the managers its relevant

Last season and the season prior highlight the importance of getting the ‘right manager’.

Brighton - stepped up at level under de Zerbi
Newcastle - almost relegated, now a top three side with a few key signings
Aston Villa - in serious trouble under Gerrard. Qualified for Europe with the same players. Extremely difficult to break down and more importantly they were picking up wins instead of draws

You then get the poor appointments:

Spurs - Stellini = free fall
Leeds - Allardyce = relegated
Chelsea - Lampard = horrendous form for a club with huge resources

But did Brighton step up a level? Potter had them 4th……