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Bing

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Just not true whatsoever.

Gasperini's Atalanta side played the most exciting football I've seen in the 2000s with a 3 at the back formation.

We've had 3 counterattack specialists in a row. There lies the issue.
I'll admit I've never watched that Atalanta side, and I do know Conte's Chelsea played some decent football from time to time, but I think the tactic has been found out in the modern game......the system is so reliant on the wing backs. Once that threat is shut down you're usually overrun in the midfield and nothing gets to the forwards.
 

Hotspur33

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I love Poch, and he would be my number 1 choice, but if we give it to him now, I certainly don’t want any Real Madrid nonsense in the summer.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Just not true whatsoever.

Gasperini's Atalanta side of a couple years ago played the most exciting football I've seen in the entirety of the 21st century with a 3 at the back formation.

We've had 3 counterattack specialists in a row. There lies the issue.

Exactly this. Playing 3 at the back is not the issue, it’s the intent that you play it with.

Any popular formation can be as defensive or as attacking as the manager sets it up to be.

We played some of our best football under Poch with a back three. No one was complaining when finished with our highest points total using that formation.
 

number41

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Believe it or not they actually have a brilliant relationship . Things went sour and levy lost patience on a professional levy due to his own poor planning with the board refreshing the squad . They squeezed every ounce out of the poch era while focusing fully on the new complex . The squad went stale that was the downfall . Both levy and Poch need to admit past mistakes on both sides more so levy and he wants full control of all footballing decisions to be the manager of Tottenham not the head coach . will it work out for us we never know and probably won’t but we won’t know unless we give that process another go !
Please let it happen!
 

spursfan77

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Believe it or not they actually have a brilliant relationship . Things went sour and levy lost patience on a professional levy due to his own poor planning with the board refreshing the squad . They squeezed every ounce out of the poch era while focusing fully on the new complex . The squad went stale that was the downfall . Both levy and Poch need to admit past mistakes on both sides more so levy and he wants full control of all footballing decisions to be the manager of Tottenham not the head coach . will it work out for us we never know and probably won’t but we won’t know unless we give that process another go !

If Poch came back and we gave him full control, especially on transfers we’d be mad. He’s a great coach but his blind spot on picking a player in the transfer market was crazy.

From what we’ve been told before levy only brings him back if he’s desperate. Well let’s see how desperate he is…
 

piedpiper

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Believe it or not they actually have a brilliant relationship . Things went sour and levy lost patience on a professional levy due to his own poor planning with the board refreshing the squad . They squeezed every ounce out of the poch era while focusing fully on the new complex . The squad went stale that was the downfall . Both levy and Poch need to admit past mistakes on both sides more so levy and he wants full control of all footballing decisions to be the manager of Tottenham not the head coach . will it work out for us we never know and probably won’t but we won’t know unless we give that process another go !
I'd pray that Poch wasn't as obstinate as he was the 1st time around....and that he has learnt his lessons on his part in his downfall on his 1st stint. It was more than club as a whole than Poch to be fair.
 

Hercules

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Poch cannot be given reigns as manager , with his view on signings. Worse still, no influence of the DoF. Coach with instructions to be the coach, not the manager!
 

Qualsonic

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I love Poch, and he would be my number 1 choice, but if we give it to him now, I certainly don’t want any Real Madrid nonsense in the summer.
If he comes now, that's it. Together until death or glory, no way he'd consider leaving us this summer
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Believe it or not they actually have a brilliant relationship . Things went sour and levy lost patience on a professional levy due to his own poor planning with the board refreshing the squad . They squeezed every ounce out of the poch era while focusing fully on the new complex . The squad went stale that was the downfall . Both levy and Poch need to admit past mistakes on both sides more so levy and he wants full control of all footballing decisions to be the manager of Tottenham not the head coach . will it work out for us we never know and probably won’t but we won’t know unless we give that process another go !

Hmmmm if that means no Paratici or equivalent then not sure I would be so keen. Poch is a great coach but his player recruitment was average at best.

Paratici is demonstrably a great talent spotter. We need to keep him if possible.
 

What Lies Beneath

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Poch cannot be given reigns as manager , with his view on signings. Worse still, no influence of the DoF. Coach with instructions to be the coach, not the manager!
I somewhat agree and disagree . Yeh jansenn was an absoloute stinker and a few others but they were Hitchens and the committees signings as well as pochs . He turned down many good players and bad players so is stubborn In that respect but having nearly had frankie de jong in the summer we didn’t sign anyone in the last few weeks which I’m not sure a lot of you will know to replace dembele that was poch no 1 target and the club didn’t get it done . Mane another one . Grealish there was many good players he wanted . I think the money spent on tanguy and Lo celso has left a sour taste with his talent IQ but it’s not as bad as it seems many good players he wanted and gettable .
 

robertgoulet

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Believe it or not they actually have a brilliant relationship . Things went sour and levy lost patience on a professional levy due to his own poor planning with the board refreshing the squad . They squeezed every ounce out of the poch era while focusing fully on the new complex . The squad went stale that was the downfall . Both levy and Poch need to admit past mistakes on both sides more so levy and he wants full control of all footballing decisions to be the manager of Tottenham not the head coach . will it work out for us we never know and probably won’t but we won’t know unless we give that process another go !
If Poch wants full control, with no DoF, that’s an easy no.
 

only1waddle

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Hmmmm if that means no Paratici or equivalent then not sure I would be so keen. Poch is a great coach but his player recruitment was average at best.

Paratici is demonstrably a great talent spotter. We need to keep him if possible.

Agree in part, Poch and a top draw Head of recruitment at the very minimum, Poch might even want to work with one rather than a DOF, otherwise it's no thanks,
 

chas vs dave

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I somewhat agree and disagree . Yeh jansenn was an absoloute stinker and a few others but they were Hitchens and the committees signings as well as pochs . He turned down many good players and bad players so is stubborn In that respect but having nearly had frankie de jong in the summer we didn’t sign anyone in the last few weeks which I’m not sure a lot of you will know to replace dembele that was poch no 1 target and the club didn’t get it done . Mane another one . Grealish there was many good players he wanted . I think the money spent on tanguy and Lo celso has left a sour taste with his talent IQ but it’s not as bad as it seems many good players he wanted and gettable .
He was the key driver in signing sonny. I was surprised to find that out in sons documentary.

Went up in my estimations on talent spotting.
 

Spursfan1414

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Believe it or not they actually have a brilliant relationship . Things went sour and levy lost patience on a professional levy due to his own poor planning with the board refreshing the squad . They squeezed every ounce out of the poch era while focusing fully on the new complex . The squad went stale that was the downfall . Both levy and Poch need to admit past mistakes on both sides more so levy and he wants full control of all footballing decisions to be the manager of Tottenham not the head coach . will it work out for us we never know and probably won’t but we won’t know unless we give that process another go !
I want Poch back but he needs to rethink this on the transfer front. If none of his #1 targets are available we need to be able to strengthen regardless.

Why would anyone think Poch was an expert on recruitment anyway? Just get someone in who is, have Poch say what his priority positions/profiles are and let him manage the players that are brought in. It shouldn’t be that hard really.
 

journeyman

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Mason a done deal (1/10) as caretaker if money coming in on Skybet to be believed. Clearly a few bets have been laid on Glasner (6/1) too.
 

delawarespur

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Yeah Poch with full control is a no from me. First things first the club needs to decide on a plan and build from that base (I feel like I’m saying this for the millionth time). Decide on an identity and create long term success by never wavering from that vision by having everyone work harmoniously. Club decides that vision and has DOF do all the football work in the framework of the vision including making sure there is a consistent policy in terms of play style and market activity so coach and player transition is seamless.

It’s why I honestly am fine with Mason until that vision is decided upon. Just the one issue that I have zero faith the club actually decides to work together to create that base to build from. Still, even if we’re stuck with idiots at board level who won’t ever be anything other than reactionary, Poch with full control is a big no-no. Any coach with that power is something I’d be distraught with. There needs to be a balance and people in place to check one another even if there’s no plan. Plan the vision and the future, find the base, then find the managing and playing staff to fit that.
 
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