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[IfiHadTheWings]

i'm definitely not anti Mason the man and maybe one day the manager and like you say he is Tottenham through and through and I have much love for the man. I just don't believe he has enough about him (yet) to see us through the remainder of the season and try and salvage something. I would love to be wrong though of course and I am only speaking from the impression I get, not any real understanding of how players react to him

I don't think anybody is anti Mason the man but i think that cup final has scarred people and the fear he will just play his mates - i don't think that is the case at all, that cup final he was thrown in the deep end but he has been in and around the first team set up under managers for a long time now so has gained a lot of experience since then, i think we'd be pleasantly surprised going but what i've been told by someone close to the set up.

 

[Styopa]

It certainly makes the caliber of player we recruit better. Without Paratici I don't see us getting Romero, Bentancure, Kulu, Porro, Sarr. That in comparison to what came before is massive, I recruitment was absolutely shocking for years. In fact I dread to think who Levy would have got instead. A DoF might not be the silver bullet we need to get rid of Levy but it certainly helps. Also as has been mentioned the upturn in youth performances and supposed improvement of the scout set up. Nothing drastic will change as long as Levy is here but DoF still helps a lot.

Very much this. Some people are underrating the squad we built in the last year or two because our performances can be dreadful to watch. There are gaps, but I think the squad's strengths would be more apparent if we played under a more progressive coach.

We just need to compare the newer players to those they have replaced to see how much our squad has improved. For example, not long ago, our RB options were Doherty/Aurier. Now we have Emerson/Porro. Just a couple of years ago, Sissoko and Winks were playing regularly- they played over 70 matches between them in the 20/21 season- now we have options like Bentancur, Sarr and Bissouma all brought in under Paratici. We have options like Kulu and Richarlison compared to Bergwin and Lucas. We have Romero compared to the ageing Alderweireld.

 

[YB123]

How is that failing lol?

Many fans are obsessed with the guy. It really is unhealthy.

I don't see how that is backing him. Just read every other post on here and on Twitter. I'm simply stating facts.

Fans are obsessed with Tottenham Hotspur thats all, you're not stating facts either

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Very much this. Some people are underrating the squad we built in the last year or two because our performances can be dreadful to watch. There are gaps, but I think the squad's strengths would be more apparent if we played under a more progressive coach.

We just need to compare the newer players to those they have replaced to see how much our squad has improved. For example, not long ago, our RB options were Doherty/Aurier. Now we have Emerson/Porro. Just a couple of years ago, Sissoko and Winks were playing regularly- they played over 70 matches between them in the 20/21 season- now we have options like Bentancur, Sarr and Bissouma all brought in under Paratici. We have options like Kulu and Richarlison compared to Bergwin and Lucas.

Agree. I think this squad has the potential to be better than the one Poch first worked with. Just need a new keeper and centre backs and some additional attacking/creative options and we'll be a match for anyone in the league.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

It's valid in the sense that you can operate a successful club without one, which is not the case for a manager. The role was invented relatively recently. The great managers throughout history haven't operated 'under' a DoF.

I'm agnostic enough about whether we should have one. I could see one being helpful, but in our club's history it appears to be another cook in the kitchen that dilutes responsibility for making sound decisions, and is often a source of contention.

You raise a really good point here in that it is a relatively new idea, at least in the UK in europe it has been around for a lot longer, and in that time Directors of Football/Sporting Directors have become a staple of the modern game especially amongst successful teams. I don't think Liverpool would have achieved what they have without Michael Edwards, Arsenal have turned into the force they are largely because Edu gave Arteta the right calibre of player for his system. A big issue we have as a club is updating everything about the club but not where it matters most, ie on pitch matters. Our player recruitment has been an absolute disjointed joke for ages, look at the amounts of money we have spent on dross and compare it to the caliber of player Paratici has brought in. Its light and day. Also the improvement to the youth team and our improved scouting network have been well reported. These are things that would never have happened without him.

Levy hasn't adapted to the modern game, that is evident from the way he works in the transfer market (constantly looking for last minute cut price deals and hoping to strong arm sellers) and from the managers he employs (win now managers that don't actually suit the club, players or his budget). The game, both on and off the pitch, has changed a lot from the "great mangers thorughout history" you mention and a big part of that change has been the importance of the DoF/Sporting Director role. The appointment of Paratici was a big step in the right direction for him even if he couldn't fully commit to the idea. Personally I don't see any way we as a club, especially with Levy still in charge, get to where we want to without an overall vision. Its true that vision should come from the boardroom but a DoF who oversees football matters goes a long way. Yes ultimately Levy may well get too involved for it to completely work but the idea of Poch, or whoever, working directly with Levy without DoF for me is a very concerning prospect.

No we shouldn't hire any old DoF just to fill the role but we shouldn't higher any old manager ether and for me they are both as important for the future of this club and should be seen as such by the board.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Fans are obsessed with Tottenham Hotspur thats all, you're not stating facts either

You can be obsessed without being irrational and frankly weird by consistently doing mental gymnastics to place blame on a single person for the clubs failures.

 

[Styopa]

Agree. I think this squad has the potential to be better than the one Poch first worked with. Just need a new keeper and centre backs and some additional attacking/creative options and we'll be a match for anyone in the league.

Yeah definitely. People tend to forget some of the mediocrity Poch inherited in that first squad. For example, our CB options were Vertonghen plus Kaboul/Chirinches/Dier/Fazio. CM was Dembele plus Capoue/Stambouli/Bentaleb/Paulinho/Mason. Wingers were Townsend/Lamela/Chadli.

 

[chelmyid]

Fantastic stat on sky sports
mourinho - £131m spent on 10 players

nuno - £57m spent on 5 players

conte - £192m spent on 14 players

that means the average spend per player is - £12.75m

keep changing the manager all we want - but as much as conte is the issue - don’t expect us to challenge with that sort of per player spend

for comprison - arsenal is £22m per player

Man City is £30m per player
Man Utd is £40m per player

just a bit of light reading!

 

[therealGlenn]

I don't think anybody is anti Mason the man but i think that cup final has scarred people and the fear he will just play his mates - i don't think that is the case at all, that cup final he was thrown in the deep end but he has been in and around the first team set up under managers for a long time now so has gained a lot of experience since then, i think we'd be pleasantly surprised going but what i've been told by someone close to the set up.

fair enough. I'm just so jaded with yet another manager not having a full season (assuming Conte goes now), another interim manager and another new manager search. Whilst Mason feels underwhelming, for me at least, at least it wont feel like yet another let down.

To follow this thought through and touch on another conversation in this thread, it absolutely grates my nuts that I care so much and that Levy manages to rile me as much as he does, but this club is ingrained in my make up. Its part of who I am and the chairman of the club is part of that, if that makes me sad, so be it

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Did anyone else just hear Arry on talksport? He's definitely after the Job.

He just conveniently called up to say that it would be hard to say no if anyone called him up to manage.

He thinks that him working with a young guy like Ryan Mason would be good. He also kind of defended the board and said that we have spent money and talked up the squad.

Well Hodgson is back at CP so who knows. That be hilariously depressing. At least it would be entertaining I guess.

 

[YB123]

You can be obsessed without be irrational and frankly weird by consistently doing mental gymnastics to place blame on a single person for the clubs failures.

If anyone think its solely one person's fault then I completely agree with you.

But Daniel Levy without doubt deserves the largest proportion of blame that should rightly be spread out.

 

[Trix]

There is a lot more to it than that. The incoming ban should tell you a lot about him though.

I’m not defending Levy, his lack of vision and knowledge on the football side is hindering us and his appointments haven’t had the required due diligence.

You've said he's incompetent. I've asked you what he's done here gives you evidence of that. You've said Levy has had to jump in because FP wasn't doing his job correctly so you must have some points to back that up.

 

[YB123]

Fantastic stat on sky sports
mourinho - £131m spent on 10 players

nuno - £57m spent on 5 players

conte - £192m spent on 14 players

that means the average spend per player is - £12.75m

keep changing the manager all we want - but as much as conte is the issue - don’t expect us to challenge with that sort of per player spend

for comprison - arsenal is £22m per player

Man City is £30m per player
Man Utd is £40m per player

just a bit of light reading!

And this is it.

Even 'Arry was joining in on the false narrative "but they've spent a lot of money"

Just because money is spent, it doesn't mean the coach is being backed properly.

 

[Scot-Spur]

Agree. I think this squad has the potential to be better than the one Poch first worked with. Just need a new keeper and centre backs and some additional attacking/creative options and we'll be a match for anyone in the league.

That’s the problem though, we always fall a few pieces short. Can you actually say that you think we will get what we need?

 

[chas vs dave]

Fantastic stat on sky sports
mourinho - £131m spent on 10 players

nuno - £57m spent on 5 players

conte - £192m spent on 14 players

that means the average spend per player is - £12.75m

keep changing the manager all we want - but as much as conte is the issue - don’t expect us to challenge with that sort of per player spend

for comprison - arsenal is £22m per player

Man City is £30m per player
Man Utd is £40m per player

just a bit of light reading!

Do you have the data behind that?

I'd be interested to see if it has fees for porro, or kulu. If they are down as loans, then the numbers will look skewed.

 

[jazz15c]

And this is it.

Even 'Arry was joining in on the false narrative "but they've spent a lot of money"

Just because money is spent, it doesn't mean the coach is being backed properly.

Indeed. Yet another one is about to thrown under the bus. Rinse and repeat. Bring on the next scapegoat.

 

[YB123]

Agree. I think this squad has the potential to be better than the one Poch first worked with. Just need a new keeper and centre backs and some additional attacking/creative options and we'll be a match for anyone in the league.

We need a clear out, a proper one.

We need a keeper, agreed.

I say we need 2 even 3 centre backs!

 

[Scot-Spur]

Fantastic stat on sky sports
mourinho - £131m spent on 10 players

nuno - £57m spent on 5 players

conte - £192m spent on 14 players

that means the average spend per player is - £12.75m

keep changing the manager all we want - but as much as conte is the issue - don’t expect us to challenge with that sort of per player spend

for comprison - arsenal is £22m per player

Man City is £30m per player
Man Utd is £40m per player

just a bit of light reading!

This is it, we like to buy bull and at cheaper cost because it spreads the risk of the asset fails.

 

[chelmyid]

Do you have the data behind that?

I'd be interested to see if it has fees for porro, or kulu. If they are down as loans, then the numbers will look skewed.

I don’t mate - just typing what I read - although I’m sure the back up can be calculated with a google search

 

[Styopa]

nuno - £57m spent on 5 players

conte - £192m spent on 14 players

How have they calculated those figures? Emerson, Romero and Gill all joined while Nuno was here. Maybe they were loans to buy, but that's still nearly 100 million quid on three new players and not the 57 million on five players suggested above.

Similarly, we must have spent 200 million quid on just six new players since Jan 2022: Richarlison, Porro, Kulusevski, Bentancur Bissouma and Sarr. And obviously there have been millions more spent on players like Spence, Udogie and Danjuma.