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[RuskyM]

Is that really true, though?

Burnley needed to cash in on McNeil, Pope, Cornet and Collins, while 5 players contracts ran out and Weghorst left. They basically lost two thirds of their first 11 at the end of last season. I'm sure Kompany would've loved to have kept some of those players given the choice. Most of the remaining first teamers are still regulars (Barnes, Cork, Brownhill, Roberts, Rodriguez, Gudmunsson).

He had to build a new team whether he liked it or not.

Really doesn't help the ENIC Out shouters when they just reiterate things that might've been true five years ago but certainly aren't the case now. We've spent a lot of money on daft things in recent years, many of whom he's then let go for nothing to appease other expensive managers. The issue really isn't a lack of funds, particularly given that we went through a pandemic where no money was coming in which would've been a fine excuse to not spend.

 

[RuskyM]

Not an argument, but universally Spurs fans are disliked by most other fans around the world.

We are considered entitled and toxic, but we haven't got the achievements to back it up.

Don't ask me why, I'm a sweet heart but it's pretty common.

Is any group of fans liked universally? Particularly ones that might actually be challenging for things. Dortmund's the closest I can think of.

 

[Styopa]

Is any group of fans liked universally? Particularly ones that might actually be challenging for things. Dortmund's the closest I can think of.

Most fans of successful teams are "disliked" by other fans. Even fans of teams like Liverpool, who are lauded in the media, receive loads of backlash from actual fans of other teams. Chelsea fans are widely disliked. Arsenal fans are regularly mocked etc.

I remember growing up when anyone supporting Man U was mocked as a "glory seeker" and received virtually no respect for following Man U if they were not from Manchester.

Fans of Real Madrid are ridiculed as being entitled all the time. It's just the nature of things.

It's silly to get hung up about it. Again, I think this attitude comes from having such downers managing us over the last few years. We need someone to come in and be positive about the club again, not another doom merchant encouraging us to wallow in self-misery.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Is any group of fans liked universally? Particularly ones that might actually be challenging for things. Dortmund's the closest I can think of.

I agree with your sentiment, but we seem to be universally hated just like the Liverpool fans, for whatever reason.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Most fans of successful teams are "disliked" by other fans. Even fans of teams like Liverpool, who are lauded in the media, receive loads of backlash from actual fans of other teams. Chelsea fans are widely disliked. Arsenal fans are regularly mocked etc.

I remember growing up when anyone supporting Man U was mocked as a "glory seeker" and received virtually no respect for following Man U if they were not from Manchester.

Fans of Real Madrid are ridiculed as being entitled all the time. It's just the nature of things.

It's silly to get hung up about it. Again, I think this attitude comes from having such downers managing us over the last few years. We need someone to come in and be positive about the club again, not another doom merchant encouraging us to wallow in self-misery.

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, around me as a kid was either a United or Liverpool supporter. (90's)

We had a Chelsea lad, before the takeover, and myself (COYS!!!!!!) who were the exceptions but everyone else supported these two teams.

 

[Trix]

I am inclined to agree. In order to change a system you have to have a manager who knows how to do it. Do people really think Stellini has free flowing attacking football in his locker but instead is opting to stick with this one. It's the only system he's used for the last 7 years or something!

Indeed, and if as a collective our default setting is to drop deep because we don't believe we can keep the ball out of the net, that isn't going to change by taking a defender out of the equation. This is going to take a full pre season of drilling/convincing the players it doesn't have to be this way, and replacing them if necessary. Those thinking a straight up formation change will automatically change our fortunes are sadly mistaken imo. It clearly runs far deeper than that.

 

[YB123]

I don't understand why City potentially hiring Kompany in the future is an issue. If he comes in and does well enough that the wealthiest and (probably) best team in the world want him as manager, that will mean we've done really well too. How long do people expect him to be here for also? If he lasts 3 calendar years he'd be tied with Jol as the 3rd longest tenured manager at the club in the Premier League era.

Pep has a contract until 2025 so we'd get 2 seasons at least out of him. Ambition and drive is a positive, as long as it's coupled with not feeling the club is below him. Kompany has proved at Burnley he wouldn't treat us that way.

Nail on the head.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Indeed, and if as a collective our default setting is to drop deep because we don't believe we can keep the ball out of the net, that isn't going to change by taking a defender out of the equation. This is going to take a full pre season of drilling/convincing the players it doesn't have to be this way, and replacing them if necessary. Those thinking a straight up formation change will automatically change our fortunes are sadly mistaken imo. It clearly runs far deeper than that.

It's a mentality issue I think we seen it even towards the end of poch is reign but then Jose tried to install this super counter attack football way y and it was working very well, and I think a lot of the players still think that's the best way to go they believe we are better on the counter attack its almost like an arrogance where we believe teams can't score vs us and its the best way to beat them and the low block.

I think the attackers also don't trust the defenders and the defenders don't trust the midfield vice versa

It does work against the bigger team's but against the small teams we should be pushing on them as they having nothing to lose.

We almost need a whole new spine

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Indeed, and if as a collective our default setting is to drop deep because we don't believe we can keep the ball out of the net, that isn't going to change by taking a defender out of the equation. This is going to take a full pre season of drilling/convincing the players it doesn't have to be this way, and replacing them if necessary. Those thinking a straight up formation change will automatically change our fortunes are sadly mistaken imo. It clearly runs far deeper than that.

Aston Villa say hi

 

[parklane yid]

Indeed, and if as a collective our default setting is to drop deep because we don't believe we can keep the ball out of the net, that isn't going to change by taking a defender out of the equation. This is going to take a full pre season of drilling/convincing the players it doesn't have to be this way, and replacing them if necessary. Those thinking a straight up formation change will automatically change our fortunes are sadly mistaken imo. It clearly runs far deeper than that.

When we brought Danjuma on and went to a 4231 we looked immediately better. Kulusevski in the number 10 role we was playing quicker passing patterns and dominanted game.

taking skipp off and throwing Richarlison on made it chaos and we lost shape. Not saying we would get top 4 player 4231 but it would make it more of a possibility.

 

[HotSprut]

No Kompany in the poll (and someone, although obviously accidentally, removed Richarlison as an option)

 

[NickHSpurs]

Indeed, and if as a collective our default setting is to drop deep because we don't believe we can keep the ball out of the net, that isn't going to change by taking a defender out of the equation. This is going to take a full pre season of drilling/convincing the players it doesn't have to be this way, and replacing them if necessary. Those thinking a straight up formation change will automatically change our fortunes are sadly mistaken imo. It clearly runs far deeper than that.

This is what worries me, are we going to move swiftly enough for the manager to make this happen or the usual dragging of heels and bringing someone in too late like we normally do in the transfer windows.

 

[bubble07]

Question I've regularly pondered. If Levy went to Poch can you manage us until the summer and then we can reassess would he have said yes or no

I'm certain he would have galvanised the side short term to get us 4th

 

[Aay_Jay_Dee]

Question I've regularly pondered. If Levy went to Poch can you manage us until the summer and then we can reassess would he have said yes or no

I'm certain he would have galvanised the side short term to get us 4th

No

 

[sidford]

Question I've regularly pondered. If Levy went to Poch can you manage us until the summer and then we can reassess would he have said yes or no

I'm certain he would have galvanised the side short term to get us 4th

Why would Poch lower himself to being an interim manager? How would taking such an offer benefit him? It's the mentality of a Dean Smith or Lampard. Poch views himself as an elite coach who has a chance of managing some of the best teams in Europe including real Madrid, why would he contemplate taking over us for 10 games?

 

[brasil_spur]

How can we go from saying we want someone to want to be our manager and fully on board with Tottenham for the long run when Kompany literally bleeds Man City and if he turns out to be a good manager will jump to replace Pep.

Slot and Gallardo are available, would 100% prefer them.

Such a nonsense argument. Firstly there's no sign that Pep is leaving anytime soon. Secondly, City will only want him if he's achieved something with a top quality club. Getting Burnley promoted is a massive achievement, but City will want to see how he manages some big name players and egos and how his team can perform in Europe before signing him up. If we get 2-3 seasons from him where he elevates us from where we are now then it's a result and as Brighton have shown it's much easier to bring in a similar (and in their case arguably better) manager when things are going well and your manager is poached, than it is to bring in a new manager because the last guy got sacked for things going to shit.

That being said I also think i'd prefer Slot.

 

[daveduvet]

It didn't need to be inspiring to you though. It was meant for the players. Interviews mean nothing in the grand scheme of things really. It's the talks from managers and coaches to players that matter most. We had Mourinho and Conte who could talk for days to the media, but behind the scenes weren't great at getting players to run through brick walls to play for them.

Fair points…

 

[bubble07]

Why would Poch lower himself to being an interim manager? How would taking such an offer benefit him? It's the mentality of a Dean Smith or Lampard. Poch views himself as an elite coach who has a chance of managing some of the best teams in Europe including real Madrid, why would he contemplate taking over us for 10 games?

Agree but these are exceptional circumstances and his proclaimed love for the club might have meant he would do it for spurs and spurs only.

Managers like Gus Hidink have done it

 

[SaiboT]

Indeed, and if as a collective our default setting is to drop deep because we don't believe we can keep the ball out of the net, that isn't going to change by taking a defender out of the equation. This is going to take a full pre season of drilling/convincing the players it doesn't have to be this way, and replacing them if necessary. Those thinking a straight up formation change will automatically change our fortunes are sadly mistaken imo. It clearly runs far deeper than that.

It might not help us defensively but it will indeed help us offensively with an extra attacker or midfielder. Attack is the best defence for a team like us when we have the defenders that we have.

 

[jurgen]

Not sure the Pochettino songs have helped his cause really.

A clever Ruler probably doesn't hire a General that is far more beloved than they are. Especially when they'll have their head on the chopping block in 18 months' time.