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only1waddle
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I love your optimism for a forward thinking thought process.. at Tottenham.. that doesn't involve go karts.
rossdapep
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I know I know
Rout-Ledge
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He certainly seems passionate in his belief that he’s better than this job.
Rout-Ledge
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It matters to me. I can’t stand the football conte has us playing. I looked forward to watching us play for the majority of Jol, Harry, and Poch’s time at the club. The manager makes a huge different, even with the constraints that the current ownership places on the club.
spurs mental
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I'd blame the way the club is run for that feeling than any manager. No plan, no progression.
Is what exactly? Not win anything? Not progress on the pitch? If you're talking about style of play, the Tottenham way hasn't existed for a long, long time.
SargeantMeatCurtains
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Poch (with a competent sporting director) would work wonders with the level of backing Conte has received.
Rout-Ledge
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Conte has had more backing in the transfer market than is made out on here. I agree we didn’t totally push the boat out in the way we all hoped, but he’s had loads of relatively big money signings and none of our decent players have been sold. Not to mention the players conte actively did want, like Perisic and Richarlison, have not improved us.
spurs mental
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If he'd work with one it has potential. IF.
joey55
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The coach is very rarely the problem and even less rarely the reason for success.
The only reason to get rid of Conte, imo, is because of the style of football. Results wise he's on par with what you'd expect from every Spurs coach (bar Ramos, who couldn't even speak English!) over the last 20 years. We are doing ok, but that's largelly because Liverpool and Chelsea are doing so badly, as opposed to anything great we've done. It's always the case, that our success or failure has for more to do with how well or poorly the richer clubs spend their money. But the entire football industry is allergic to that reality.
No one likes to face it, but Tim Sherwood finished 5th in his 20 odd games in charge. The next season, under Poch, we finished 5th, only with a lower PPG. The reason we then improved under Poch, wasn't because it took over a year for players to "get" his system and coaching. It's because we bought well, combined with the fact City, Chelsea and Utd had awful seasons compared to the norm. Poch wasn't the reason Chelsea only got 50 points or that City dropped from 79 points to 66!
Basically when things are going good, the tactical analysts look at why we are winning and come up with some very solid sounding reasons and support it with data. The players are asked what the coach does in training and they are naturally very positive about it and the impact it's had on their game. We are fed a positive feedback loop. We things are going badly, it's the opposite. But it's all largelly BS.
Martin Jol said, after he got sacked, that the only way for Spurs to challenge if is we produce our own Rooney. We did that and for a while we kind of challenged. Without producing Kane, the teams we've seen over the past 8 or 9 years are no better than the other teams we've produced since 2005. I know this kind of post is very unpopular and they always get negative feedback, but does anyone seriously think that without Kane, we are any better than we were under Jol, Redknapp or AVB? We've always bought some very decent players, the difference, in more recent years, is that we were able to top it off with the greatest striker this country has produced since Greaves.
The only reason to get rid of Conte, imo, is because of the style of football. Results wise he's on par with what you'd expect from every Spurs coach (bar Ramos, who couldn't even speak English!) over the last 20 years. We are doing ok, but that's largelly because Liverpool and Chelsea are doing so badly, as opposed to anything great we've done. It's always the case, that our success or failure has for more to do with how well or poorly the richer clubs spend their money. But the entire football industry is allergic to that reality.
No one likes to face it, but Tim Sherwood finished 5th in his 20 odd games in charge. The next season, under Poch, we finished 5th, only with a lower PPG. The reason we then improved under Poch, wasn't because it took over a year for players to "get" his system and coaching. It's because we bought well, combined with the fact City, Chelsea and Utd had awful seasons compared to the norm. Poch wasn't the reason Chelsea only got 50 points or that City dropped from 79 points to 66!
Basically when things are going good, the tactical analysts look at why we are winning and come up with some very solid sounding reasons and support it with data. The players are asked what the coach does in training and they are naturally very positive about it and the impact it's had on their game. We are fed a positive feedback loop. We things are going badly, it's the opposite. But it's all largelly BS.
Martin Jol said, after he got sacked, that the only way for Spurs to challenge if is we produce our own Rooney. We did that and for a while we kind of challenged. Without producing Kane, the teams we've seen over the past 8 or 9 years are no better than the other teams we've produced since 2005. I know this kind of post is very unpopular and they always get negative feedback, but does anyone seriously think that without Kane, we are any better than we were under Jol, Redknapp or AVB? We've always bought some very decent players, the difference, in more recent years, is that we were able to top it off with the greatest striker this country has produced since Greaves.
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Oh Teddy Teddy
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If he’d work with one. If he was backed. If Levy fucked off etc
Martinhotspur
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Not being bored watching football.
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spurs mental
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That depends what you enjoy on the football side.
I quite enjoy when our counter attacking system is in full flow, and when we are rock solid in defence. But I'm not fussed whether we have 60% of the ball or 30% of the ball either.
Personally, I don't believe we have enough technically gifted players to play a high possession intense attacking game, so I'm not sure I'd enjoy us just simply having more of the ball, especially with the lack of a creator like Eriksen in the mix.
Each to their own though.
Rout-Ledge
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Is this what you were saying after he took us through an entire season unbeaten at home in the league, with minimal transfer spending, playing great football, and finishing with a points total that would’ve won us the league in the previous season? Not to mention scoring more goals than any other side in the league and conceding fewer…finishing second to Conte who had the benefit of a much bigger transfer budget and no European football.
EastLondonYid
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The argument against Poch is he failed to win anything with the best team we've had the last 25 years.
The argument for Poch is he got the team playing the best football we've seen in the last 25 years.
I'm willing to take Another punt on Poch,
He's actually obsessed with us btw.
The argument for Poch is he got the team playing the best football we've seen in the last 25 years.
I'm willing to take Another punt on Poch,
He's actually obsessed with us btw.
Poch would bring back the good feeling.
How many of us feel disconnected, how many of us are drawn out angry by the club, how many of us feel we have no identity. Poch is that person to bring that back - because there is that feeling that he wants to be here (and yes yes I know he hitched his skirt bent over for Man United)
I would brign Poch back and give him as much time as he needs... Conte was always acting liek he was doing us a favour (which I resented from the start) but Poch is like he is one of us - and ill be prepared to give him all he needs and if that means getting rid of Kane and a few others then so be it.
How many of us feel disconnected, how many of us are drawn out angry by the club, how many of us feel we have no identity. Poch is that person to bring that back - because there is that feeling that he wants to be here (and yes yes I know he hitched his skirt bent over for Man United)
I would brign Poch back and give him as much time as he needs... Conte was always acting liek he was doing us a favour (which I resented from the start) but Poch is like he is one of us - and ill be prepared to give him all he needs and if that means getting rid of Kane and a few others then so be it.
Danfunkel
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But it’s doubtful he’d work with a DOF though. Which is why it cannot be Poch, but sadly will be.
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