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[felmani26]

I see this a lot - Potter had a tough go because Chelsea brought in too many players.

Chelsea did bring in 10 1st team players since last summer.

Spurs brought in 9 (Forster, Spence, Porro, Lenglet, Bissouma, Sarr, Richarlison, Perisic, Danjuma)

Only one team is mired in the bottom half of the table… it’s not the reason Potter struggled at a top team.

Not a fair comparison in my opinion.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

I see this a lot - Potter had a tough go because Chelsea brought in too many players.

Chelsea did bring in 10 1st team players since last summer.

Spurs brought in 9 (Forster, Spence, Porro, Lenglet, Bissouma, Sarr, Richarlison, Perisic, Danjuma)

Only one team is mired in the bottom half of the table… it’s not the reason Potter struggled at a top team.

Sure, but also worth adding that these 10 first-team players were brought in under a completely different manager. Was always going to take time. Time that they were never going to give him.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I wanted Potter this time last year, as I was intrigued what he could do with Kane and Son upfront.
However now I would not touch him with a barge pole for a couple of years, as he has the stench of failure all over him.

I think this is too harsh, and (if I may) very over dramatic - Felmani put it right.

You might not want him, but I reckon he's a good coach

 

[TPdYID]

I see this a lot - Potter had a tough go because Chelsea brought in too many players.

Chelsea did bring in 10 1st team players since last summer.

Spurs brought in 9 (Forster, Spence, Porro, Lenglet, Bissouma, Sarr, Richarlison, Perisic, Danjuma)

Only one team is mired in the bottom half of the table… it’s not the reason Potter struggled at a top team.

You’re comparing apples with oranges.

The samples you’ve picked are in no way comparative.

 

[C0YS]

I fully believe Potter could be successful somewhere else, including at Spurs. At the same time I fully believe giving him the job would be inexplicable and an incredibly bad decision (even if it goes well). Not the time, not the moment, and it may never be. There are safer options available which wouldn't immediately put pressure on the manager and club to justify their decision.

 

[Trix]

Brighton scored 28 in 20 before Potter left. But they scored 27 of those goals in the 15 matches immediately prior to his departure. An average of 1.8 goals per match.

Since De Zerbi took over they have scored 38 goals in the 20 PL matches. An average of 1.9 goals per match.

De Zerbi has done well but it's a continuation of how Brighton ended last season/started this season rather than a complete turnaround.

Thing is I don't think too many are advocating that De Zerbi is is top of their lists either I'm certainly not. When you have a seamless transition of in's and outs in coaches, and more so with Brighton in players too I'd say it is more down to how well things are set out and achieved at board level. I'm not saying Potter doesn't deserve any credit for this, and in the same way De zerbi deserves a share of the praise as well. fact is though I think it's in the most part down to excellent recruitment from the top to the bottom that has seen Brighton go from strength to strength more so than the coaching.

 

[C-oops]

Not a fair comparison in my opinion.

Yeah, how many of those Chelsea players brought in would expect to be playing most weeks? Almost all of them.. could say the same for maybe 2 or 3 of our signings. Much easier to manage

 

[Spunkmonkey]

But presumably you’d take Nagelsmann? Or Poch?

Where have either of those failed?
Last time I looked JN had Bayern top of the league and still in CL.

 

[Styopa]

I just genuinely don't see anything special about him whatsoever. He's just another tidy coach with a half decent CV.

I think it's difficult to tell right now, given the clubs he has managed. Chelsea was a really bad move for him. But he did a decent job at Brighton overall-he helped establish them in the Premier League whilst playing progressive football. In his last entire season, they finished 9th and were playing some excellent stuff and scoring a lot, as I posted above.

 

[Trix]

These are my thoughts exactly. I don't want him as Spurs coach particularly, but he did a decent job at Brighton and I don't see why anyone would want to deny that.

The key part of your post, and my position on him. "He did a decent job".

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

You’re comparing apples with oranges.

The samples you’ve picked are in no way comparative.

So - 10 new players at Chelsea - too much for a manager.

9 new players at Spurs - just a normal amount of turnover to deal with.


The mental gymnastics that people go through to defend Potter are kind of funny. He is not a good manager for top teams - but it has nothing to do with player turnover. Its more to do with the fact he won't be able to get big ego players on side, and that his tactics are better suited for lower level teams, than for top players.

Managing teams that carry high expectations is very different than managing teams at the Brighton/Brentford level. Success at one level is not an indication of success at another level.

 

[Freddie]

You’re not talking into account the foundation he laid. It’s much harder to turn a team around. Once they have a reputation and are back on track, it’s easier to recruit etc. the following managers are good too, yes, but they started in a better position.

The foundations are his legacy. It's wrong to look at this as simply 'De Zerbi is doing better than Potter with the same group of players'. Yes it looks like the team has progressed since Potter left (although they seemed to be going this way under him at the start of the season), but he took over from Chris Hughton! Hughton himself built some great foundations by getting them into the Premier League and making them solid but they were god awful to watch. Potter transformed a fairly average, unspectacular group into an exciting outfit who played expansive football.

The guy who comes and puts a cherry on an already well baked cake isn't necessarily the better baker. Also we need to wait and see how De Zerbi responds to a dip in form (I'm not criticising him for not having had one yet), but that can be telling. Potter had a few at Brighton and always came through them. Potter's decisions seemed a bit muddled, and often stubborn at Chelsea, and his interviews became a bit cringe because he was trying to force a personality as a response to all the stick he was getting about being too bland but I think everything about that environment didn't suit him. He's a very good manager. A bit dull? Perhaps but who gives a shit. He has dignity and values and would never embarrass the club.

 

[TPdYID]

Potter leaves THFC in a better shape then when he arrives

A style of play would allow us to connect with an identity and he has previous for improving players (something we’re desperate for).

The average Spurs fan turns their nose up because his first name is ‘Graham’, he speaks with a Brummy accent and he managed the chavs up the road. Thus ignoring all the qualifying factors which make him a really interesting candidate.

How people can be clambering for Kompany or such like over somebody with Potters obvious abilities is beyond me.

 

[KingNick]

Where have either of those failed?
Last time I looked JN had Bayern top of the league and still in CL.

I'd say that not achieving a single away league win a 12 month period despite the quality available to him to be a bit of a failure.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Agreed.

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[michaelj70]

Beginning to like the

Great points and agree based on these points that he could be a very good choice for us

I ve lost the slot a bit recently
Are we seriously looking at him ? He seems ideal to me
I think I loved Big Martin Jol more than Poch Said it !!
Not talking about results just loved his attitude

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Potter had a few at Brighton and always came through them

How?

Brighton finished 15, 16, and 9th in Potter's 3 seasons. His one season at Swansea in the Championship, they finished 10th.


That is not the CV of a manager for a top club in the PL.

 

[TPdYID]

So - 10 new players at Chelsea - too much for a manager.

9 new players at Spurs - just a normal amount of turnover to deal with.


The mental gymnastics that people go through to defend Potter are kind of funny. He is not a good manager for top teams - but it has nothing to do with player turnover. Its more to do with the fact he won't be able to get big ego players on side, and that his tactics are better suited for lower level teams, than for top players.

Managing teams that carry high expectations is very different than managing teams at the Brighton/Brentford level. Success at one level is not an indication of success at another level.

How many of those players did Potter sign or get to work with?

Conte had the continuation of the previous season and a full pre-season to embed the summer signings, Potter was expected to hit the ground running.

You can see the difference, can’t you?

 

[Spunkmonkey]

I'd say that not achieving a single away league win a 12 month period despite the quality available to him to be a bit of a failure.

Fair enough.
Shame he was on his way to getting the club to the Champions League final during that period.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

How many of those players did Potter sign or get to work with?

Conte had the continuation of the previous season and a full pre-season to embed the summer signings, Potter was expected to hit the ground running.

You can see the difference, can’t you?

Potter has had 7 months to work with all the players and sort out who he thinks is his best XI.

He is still losing to the likes of Aston Villa at home.

Surely you can see its not an issue of player turnover, can't you?