Next Manager Watch

[THFCjosh]

Our squad is like 70-80% different players from 2018. and About 60-70% different from 2020.

This was our team for Jose's first game in charge. Gazzaniga was only in goal because Lloris was injured, also reckon Ben Davis would have been involved on Saturday had he not been injured. Of this team 6 out of the starting 11 if we include Lloris and Davies are still involved in out 11. We also still have Moura, Wink and Lo Celso on our books with the former two coming back at the end of the season. We still have the same core players that failed Poch, failed Jose, failed Nuno and now failed Conte.

A new, young manager has a relatively clean slate, especially if we get a new keeper, CB and an attacking midfielder this summer, which IMO is the bare minimum.

Hopefully this is the case but we've still got a lot players that we won't be able to shift, who will still be at the club. The mentality won't change until the board change and most of our current players leave.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

I am interested to why I got a disagree as I don’t see why this is the worse suggestion especially when you look at us at this moment and the previous three failed fossil football managers. Seriously who would you bring in then? I am genuinely intrigued.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Not if those attacking players are all clustered in our own half tying to keep the ball out. 3-4-3 may well not be the best formation for us, or anyone for that matter but it's clearly mentality that's the main problem not shape. We were exactly the same under Jose Nuno and the end of the Poch era and they didn't play with 3 at the back.

3 defensive low possession coaches in a row = the same football for 3 years.

A new Manager won't solve all of our problems but they will be able to coach the players to play in a very different way, even just by switching to a closer together higher possession based approach we'd not need to drop off so much because we'd have more of the ball, its really quite simple and managers having dramatic effects on other teams playing styles show just that.

 

[ljinko888]

I don't understand the logic of wanting Poch to replace his successor Mourinho when he was under contract at PSG but not wanting him two managers down the line when he is available.

If anything Poch is probably in a better position now his successor at PSG is also under fire.

 

[The Apprentice]

I just want someone younger and sexier.

Four (if you include Don Stellini) straight sourpuss, middle aged farts has ground me right down.

 

[Timberwolf]

This was our team for Jose's first game in charge. Gazzaniga was only in goal because Lloris was injured, also reckon Ben Davis would have been involved on Saturday had he not been injured. Of this team 6 out of the starting 11 if we include Lloris and Davies are still involved in out 11. We also still have Moura, Wink and Lo Celso on our books with the former two coming back at the end of the season. We still have the same core players that failed Poch, failed Jose, failed Nuno and now failed Conte.

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Hopefully this is the case but we've still got a lot players that we won't be able to shift, who will still be at the club. The mentality won't change until the board change and most of our current players leave.

Yeah but how many of them should be in the 11 next season once we have our new manager? Kane and Son? With perhaps Dier and Davies on the bench? Sanchez is done, as is Lloris (hopefully), while Lo Celso and Winks will very likely be sold and Lucas will be out of contract.

The idea that 'most of our current players need to leave' when like 15-16 of them have been here 3 years or less is insane.

 

[Trent Crimm]

It's utterly baffling why the players do it (sit back), that's the last 3 managers all saying it's the players do it instinctively and its not part of the tactics, just weird. Hopefully the new manager whoever that may be coaches it out of them.

The players are told not to do it and confirm it. The multiple coaches confirm they’ve not been asked.

the players are thicker than I thought. It’s the only answer.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Yeah but how many of them should be in the 11 next season once we have our new manager? Kane and Son? With perhaps Dier and Davies on the bench? Sanchez is done, as is Lloris (hopefully), while Lo Celso and Winks will very likely be sold and Lucas will be out of contract.

The idea that 'most of our current players need to leave' when like 15-16 of them have been here 3 years or less is insane.

The answer to this would have been the same last year and the year before (perhaps except for Lloris). I think it's highly likely Dier and Davies will play a lot of games next season, wouldn't be surprised to see Sanchez still there and there's no guarantees Lloris won't be first choice.

 

[spursfan1991]

I am interested to why I got a disagree as I don’t see why this is the worse suggestion especially when you look at us at this moment and the previous three failed fossil football managers. Seriously who would you bring in then? I am genuinely intrigued.

It was probably because you praised Poch, some people really dont like Poch these days and stupidly believe he was a failure. The human breed is really something these days.

 

[quackers]

The players are told not to do it and confirm it. The multiple coaches confirm they’ve not been asked.

the players are thicker than I thought. It’s the only answer.

Thats fine but if 3 managers in and you still picking the same players who are dropping deep, surely it doesnt take 2 supposed world class managers to pick other players to play instead.

why not trust the youth if after 4 years and 3 managers the same old players are not doing as you have "coached" them.

Therein lies the problem any coach coming in will have to break this continuity with picking the same old shit and playing the same old way. Apart from Kane I dont see anyone as guaranteed starters and I'd back the new coach on whoever he picks.

 

[ilikeost]

The pictures of Nagelsmann riding a skateboard to work at Bayern completely changed my mind on him. I will never be able to take him seriously again. I'm fully aboard the Kompany train now, unless there are compromising pictures of him as well.

 

[A Bit Much]

The players are told not to do it and confirm it. The multiple coaches confirm they’ve not been asked.

the players are thicker than I thought. It’s the only answer.

I think there's more to it than Conte or whoever saying after the game 'oh I don't ask them to drop deep and be useless, I want them to win the game!'

The last few managers have approached the game in a way which naturally pushes our team back and encourage pressure, which sees the defensive line fall lower.

I think football is broadly about momentum and pressure, and our coaches haven't encouraged us to pressure and attack the opposition, so when we cede momentum every game we just drop further deeper as the opposition realise they can impose their attacking plan on us. I think that is a key point in all this, if we appoint slot who spends his time trying to attack and pressure the opposition, we'll naturally push up the pitch. And who knows, we might not have to depend on the defensive capabilities of Eric dier as much!

 

[Trent Crimm]

I think there's more to it than Conte or whoever saying after the game 'oh I don't ask them to drop deep and be useless, I want them to win the game!'

The last few managers have approached the game in a way which naturally pushes our team back and encourage pressure, which sees the defensive line fall lower.

I think football is broadly about momentum and pressure, and our coaches haven't encouraged us to pressure and attack the opposition, so when we cede momentum every game we just drop further deeper as the opposition realise they can impose their attacking plan on us. I think that is a key point in all this, if we appoint slot who spends his time trying to attack and pressure the opposition, we'll naturally push up the pitch. And who knows, we might not have to depend on the defensive capabilities of Eric dier as much!

3 managers. Same behavior from players. Common denominator = thickness from players. Most if not all OR they are so arrogant they don’t listen to anyone.

 

[Timberwolf]

The answer to this would have been the same last year and the year before (perhaps except for Lloris). I think it's highly likely Dier and Davies will play a lot of games next season, wouldn't be surprised to see Sanchez still there and there's no guarantees Lloris won't be first choice.

I think keeping Dier and Davies as backup squad players isn't a disaster - more of a necessary part of the transition since we can't fix everything at once. They really shouldn't be starters moving forward, though, and it's conceivable Davies is 3rd or 4th choice depending on which LBs the new manager favours.

The main reason those two, Davies especially, have played so much this season is because of the switch to a back 3 under Conte.

Lloris needs to be made a backup next season or moved on, and Sanchez should be nowhere near the squad at all. If those 2 are still at the club playing more than a handful of games each something has gone horribly wrong and I absolutely agree with you.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Thats fine but if 3 managers in and you still picking the same players who are dropping deep, surely it doesnt take 2 supposed world class managers to pick other players to play instead.

why not trust the youth if after 4 years and 3 managers the same old players are not doing as you have "coached" them.

Therein lies the problem any coach coming in will have to break this continuity with picking the same old shit and playing the same old way. Apart from Kane I dont see anyone as guaranteed starters and I'd back the new coach on whoever he picks.

What other players ? The one the managers didn’t want?

 

[dontcallme]

I am interested to why I got a disagree as I don’t see why this is the worse suggestion especially when you look at us at this moment and the previous three failed fossil football managers. Seriously who would you bring in then? I am genuinely intrigued.

If someone gave your post a Disagree rating, they probably disagreed with your post.

 

[Trix]

I think there's more to it than Conte or whoever saying after the game 'oh I don't ask them to drop deep and be useless, I want them to win the game!'

The last few managers have approached the game in a way which naturally pushes our team back and encourage pressure, which sees the defensive line fall lower.

I think football is broadly about momentum and pressure, and our coaches haven't encouraged us to pressure and attack the opposition, so when we cede momentum every game we just drop further deeper as the opposition realise they can impose their attacking plan on us. I think that is a key point in all this, if we appoint slot who spends his time trying to attack and pressure the opposition, we'll naturally push up the pitch. And who knows, we might not have to depend on the defensive capabilities of Eric dier as much!

You are paraphrasing it like this in order to support your argument, and it's not how it has been said at all by any of them including our Captain and our talisman. As I've said there is a big difference to setting up like we've done against City for example, and the way we drop deep against other sides because we are panicking. Panic is the best way to describe it and it's without question the first thing that will need addressing by whoever comes in. All 3 left in the tombola, and as far as I'm aware it is only 3, like to play in an expansive manor and so having the ability to get this across is going to be the key to whether we push on or suffer more of the same. If not I expect to be here in 12 months time pointlessly arguing about the merits of Potter, Brendan and Poch.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

3 managers. Same behavior from players. Common denominator = thickness from players. Most if not all OR they are so arrogant they don’t listen to anyone.

Or as per my earlier post where I detailed the stats, 3 consecutive managers who all have a defensive, low block style of play relying on counters. As backed up by their average possession stats at both our club and the other clubs they’ve managed

Low block and counter football creates a defensive, passive, reactive mindset in the group which becomes a virus and stifles creativity and freedom. It’s why our go to reaction now is to panic and sit off. It’s been programmed in by 3 consecutive defensive managers. We never did it under Poch.

 

[Trent Crimm]

I am interested to why I got a disagree as I don’t see why this is the worse suggestion especially when you look at us at this moment and the previous three failed fossil football managers. Seriously who would you bring in then? I am genuinely intrigued.

You also said ages ago you looked like Naggzman. You handsome devil.

 

[Trix]

Or as per my earlier post where I detailed the stats, 3 consecutive managers who all have a defensive, low block style of play relying on counters. As backed up by their average possession stats at both our club and the other clubs they’ve managed

Low block and counter football creates a defensive, passive, reactive mindset in the group which becomes a virus and stifles creativity and freedom. It’s why our go to reaction now is to panic and sit off. It’s been programmed in by 3 consecutive defensive managers. We never did it under Poch.

You must have missed the final 6-8 months of his tenure, where panic was indeed common place. It all dropped off a cliff when Dembele, Toby and Jan came to an end imo. If there was one to trait to praise all three of them prior to age catching up on them, was that you could always rely on them and they would very rarely let the side down. They were solid, dependable and that effect on the team was never replaced. The team trusted them to mop up any mistakes implicitly which allowed them to play with more freedom. Whoever the new guy is will need to bring that back or we will continue to rinse and repeat.

In fact the more I type the more I'm swaying towards Kompany, for the very reasons I've stated over the last few posts.