Next Manager Watch

[felmani26]

I must say i find it interesting that many say Enrique is boring yet want Kompany. Enrique actually streamlined Barca and made them a more direct unit moving the ball up the pitch fast, primarily via the full backs who would often sit high up the pitch. It was actually a big shift as prior to that everything went through the midfield. But as Inesta and Xavi were ageing/moving on Enrique had to adjust. They were still a possession team of course and still played a lot of intricate passing, but it was a big step away from the Pep tiki taka style. Enrique liked his teams to get the ball as close to goal as quickly as possible.

Kompany meanwhile plays a Pep slow and steady system which focusses on short passing rather then directness, essentially looking to control the ball and pass it around until a hole opens up for the team to exploit. I have seen many on here complain about this sort of football being incredibly boring. Furthermore he likes his wing back to ether tuck in to make a lopsided 3 at the back or move into midfield ultimately making ether a 3-2-5 or a 2-3-5 formation which i don't necessarily feel would suit ether Porro or Udogie. Udogie has operated from midfield before but both him and Porro are best in attacking areas imo so Komapny would need to adjust somewhat to get the best out of them.

Anyway, from a tactical point of view, Enrique is a lot more direct then people think. Again, not that i want him, but its unfair to paint him with the Barca slow and steady brush when in fact out of all the options we are looking at Kompany is the one that would most fit that label.

I do wonder if this will accelerate in the coming days on the proviso Paratici is successful with his appeal.

I can only surmise as;
- Paratici appeal successful - Enrique likely manager
- Paratici appeal unsuccessful - Slot/Kompany likely manager

 

[danielneeds]

I must say i find it interesting that many say Enrique is boring yet want Kompany. Enrique actually streamlined Barca and made them a more direct unit moving the ball up the pitch fast, primarily via the full backs who would often sit high up the pitch. It was actually a big shift as prior to that everything went through the midfield. But as Inesta and Xavi were ageing/moving on Enrique had to adjust. They were still a possession team of course and still played a lot of intricate passing, but it was a big step away from the Pep tiki taka style. Enrique liked his teams to get the ball as close to goal as quickly as possible.

Kompany meanwhile plays a Pep slow and steady system which focusses on short passing rather then directness, essentially looking to control the ball and pass it around until a hole opens up for the team to exploit. I have seen many on here complain about this sort of football being incredibly boring. Furthermore he likes his wing back to ether tuck in to make a lopsided 3 at the back or move into midfield ultimately making ether a 3-2-5 or a 2-3-5 formation which i don't necessarily feel would suit ether Porro or Udogie. Udogie has operated from midfield before but both him and Porro are best in attacking areas imo so Komapny would need to adjust somewhat to get the best out of them.

Anyway, from a tactical point of view, Enrique is a lot more direct then people think. Again, not that i want him, but its unfair to paint him with the Barca slow and steady brush when in fact out of all the options we are looking at Kompany is the one that would most fit that label.

He did make Barca more direct than Pep because he realised that getting the ball to the MSN as much as possible would destroy other teams, since then he's been wedded to a particularly fastidious tiki-taka with Spain. I don't think he's gonna move away from it any time soon.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I must say i find it interesting that many say Enrique is boring yet want Kompany. Enrique actually streamlined Barca and made them a more direct unit moving the ball up the pitch fast, primarily via the full backs who would often sit high up the pitch. It was actually a big shift as prior to that everything went through the midfield. But as Inesta and Xavi were ageing/moving on Enrique had to adjust. They were still a possession team of course and still played a lot of intricate passing, but it was a big step away from the Pep tiki taka style. Enrique liked his teams to get the ball as close to goal as quickly as possible.

Kompany meanwhile plays a Pep slow and steady system which focusses on short passing rather then directness, essentially looking to control the ball and pass it around until a hole opens up for the team to exploit. I have seen many on here complain about this sort of football being incredibly boring. Furthermore he likes his wing back to ether tuck in to make a lopsided 3 at the back or move into midfield ultimately making ether a 3-2-5 or a 2-3-5 formation which i don't necessarily feel would suit ether Porro or Udogie. Udogie has operated from midfield before but both him and Porro are best in attacking areas imo so Komapny would need to adjust somewhat to get the best out of them.

Anyway, from a tactical point of view, Enrique is a lot more direct then people think. Again, not that i want him, but its unfair to paint him with the Barca slow and steady brush when in fact out of all the options we are looking at Kompany is the one that would most fit that label.

Agree with this and compared to what we've had to watch/endure the last 3 years/seasons Enriqueball would be like going from hanging out with Theresa May to living with Margot Robbie and Jennifer Lawrence.

 

[TheDoc]

My concern about Kompany is we'd be a stepping stone. Any success with us and he's immediately in the eyes of the media Pep's successor at City.

This is such a flimsy argument.

There are two possibilities with the new manager...

1. He performs well enough for Man City to think he's a good choice to manage them.
2. He doesn't perform well enough for Man City to think he's a good choice.

Does anyone really want option 2?

Now think about what the new manager would have to do in order to become an attractive proposition to City in the next couple of years. Finishing 4th with us isn't going to get City salivating about Kompany when they have the pick of pretty much any manager they want. He'd probably have to make us serious challengers for the league and at least win a domestic cup. He'll have to do that with the likelihood he has Kane for one more season max.

Whoever we appoint, if they do very well they'll be linked to other jobs. If we appointed Slot or Gallardo and they did very well then they'll be linked to Chelsea/Man Utd/Man City/Juve/Barcelona/Real Madrid. Kompany taking any other job than City after us might take his career down a path that makes City a less likely job for him in the future so we probably only have to 'worry' about one club poaching him compared to 5 or 6 that we might have to worry about with another manager.

If the worst case scenario with Kompany is that he might have his eye on the City job then it's really not a disaster. If he sees that as his next job he has to do well with us and wait for that job to become available. The City job might become available in 2 years' time and then again in 5 years' time. Chances are he won't be ready in 2 years and if he lasts long enough with us to still be here the next time the City job comes up after that then he'd have been one of our most successful appointments in the past 20 years.

We should probably be more concerned about the fact we'd have Craig Bellamy in our dugout if we hire Kompany!

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Seems like there’s been a briefing this morning

Interesting noise about Enrique now coinciding with more noise about Chelsea and Nagglesman...

As others have said we should know more about the Paratici appeal following the hearing tomorrow, I think the club are in limbo until a verdict on that comes to light.

 

[homer hotspur]

This is such a flimsy argument.

There are two possibilities with the new manager...

1. He performs well enough for Man City to think he's a good choice to manage them.
2. He doesn't perform well enough for Man City to think he's a good choice.

Does anyone really want option 2?

Now think about what the new manager would have to do in order to become an attractive proposition to City in the next couple of years. Finishing 4th with us isn't going to get City salivating about Kompany when they have the pick of pretty much any manager they want. He'd probably have to make us serious challengers for the league and at least win a domestic cup. He'll have to do that with the likelihood he has Kane for one more season max.

Whoever we appoint, if they do very well they'll be linked to other jobs. If we appointed Slot or Gallardo and they did very well then they'll be linked to Chelsea/Man Utd/Man City/Juve/Barcelona/Real Madrid. Kompany taking any other job than City after us might take his career down a path that makes City a less likely job for him in the future so we probably only have to 'worry' about one club poaching him compared to 5 or 6 that we might have to worry about with another manager.

If the worst case scenario with Kompany is that he might have his eye on the City job then it's really not a disaster. If he sees that as his next job he has to do well with us and wait for that job to become available. The City job might become available in 2 years' time and then again in 5 years' time. Chances are he won't be ready in 2 years and if he lasts long enough with us to still be here the next time the City job comes up after that then he'd have been one of our most successful appointments in the past 20 years.

We should probably be more concerned about the fact we'd have Craig Bellamy in our dugout if we hire Kompany!

agree and they may well be more interested in Arteta before Kompany too?

 

[14/04/91]

Indulge me, Is there any chance that we have our man agreed. And even if that’s one that is available, they have wanted to distance themselves from the shit show of this season and not be associated with it going into pre season where he can wield the axe from day one, create a clean mindset change after they’ve all had a break. I wouldn’t want to be picking up someone’s failure and having my name linked to it for the reasons to wanting to succeed in the season ahead.

Even if we’ve agreed, and he’s free they’ve wanted to time the announcement so to avoid an inevitable pile on as fans and media demand and question why they haven’t come in straight away?

Clearly causes damage in this period to season close, but if it was the right man being appointed it was a necessary position to take.

I think I’m stretching it, trying to convince myself Poch is the man, his and Jesus insta posts are teasing as I can’t really see them being a couple of WUM, they have too much respect for us.

As others have said, I don't think a deal has been done but if I were an available coach offered the job, I'd see very little benefit in taking over for the last few games. The squad is low on morale, full of injuries and stuck in a terrible mindset (particularly tactically).

Also knowing how Levy thinks, he'd expect the new guy to click his fingers and re-energise a top 4 challenge.

Finally, you've got the Paratici issue. Once that's sorted (tomorrow?), we can progress things. In theory that is.....

 

[TheDoc]

agree and they may well be more interested in Arteta before Kompany too?

Exactly, he's what, 3 or 4 years ahead of Kompany, has won the FA Cup and at the very least has got Arsenal to 2nd in the league.

Not quite as much City DNA in Arteta but clear links and an obvious target.

So if we are worrying about Kompany being the next, next City manager then it's really not a concern.

 

[Trix]

I do wonder if this will accelerate in the coming days on the proviso Paratici is successful with his appeal.

I can only surmise as;
- Paratici appeal successful - Enrique likely manager
- Paratici appeal unsuccessful - Slot/Kompany likely manager

Isn't that everything that's wrong with us summed up in 2 lines though? He's either the right man for the job and the whole club are behind it, or he isn't.

 

[Stamford]

Nothing about the process gives me any confidence that we have any plan or idea of what we are doing

 

[Bobbins]

This is the first time we have heard anything about face to face meetings no? Lets see if he does us a powerpoint presentation as well.

"Lacking charisma."

 

[Ghost Hardware]

He did make Barca more direct than Pep because he realised that getting the ball to the MSN as much as possible would destroy other teams, since then he's been wedded to a particularly fastidious tiki-taka with Spain. I don't think he's gonna move away from it any time soon.

I mean his Celta team where also pretty direct whilst also subscribing to the Barca way. Even when he was manager of the Barca B he actually improved upon Pep's time there by making tweaks to the tactics. Really it was his time at the B team and at Celta that convinced Barca to give him the job. Plus even if what you suggest were true then that shows he is willing to adapt dependent on the players at his disposal, considering our best player is a striker and we would have two fast and aggressive WB/FB why why wouldn't he do the same thing here. We also know from a formation perspective he is extremely adaptable as he has played numerous different ones 442, 433, 343 etc. Also one of the big issues that he had with Spain at the WC was he didn't like any of his striker options and his best forward, Morata, was recovering from an injury and not fully fit. This resulted in him playing an AM as a false 9 which took away a focal point in attack and thus resulted in much more tiki taka like football passing around the box. Again, I wouldn't take his team's performace at the world cup as a true example of his tactical ability as at club level he has shown over a longer period that he prefers directness to a pure Barca way.

Tbh, if i was PSG I would probably go for Enrique as I think he would be a very good option for them, his handling of Messi (controversially moving him away from goal) shows that he doesn't shy away from telling big names what to do and his experience with larger squads would in my mind make him the best choice for them. For us I do have concerns and by no means do I think he should be our top choice but I do think people are being a little overly critical of him.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Any idea who the 3rd is?

Avram Grant

 

[felmani26]

Isn't that everything that's wrong with us summed up in 2 lines though? He's either the right man for the job and the whole club are behind it, or he isn't.

Indeed!

It does however suggest that Paratici holds greater influence in the club than perhaps we realise - I know you alluded to this regarding the overhaul of the scouting network and perhaps the reluctance of the club to be more proactive in reprimanding him when the allegations first came to light.

 

[Jamturk]

If I was Kompany I would show loyalty and stay with Burnley, working and continuing to learn in the premier league without the pressure and a good amount of goodwill.

I think he would be mad to take the Spurs job.

 

[C-oops]

Isn't that everything that's wrong with us summed up in 2 lines though? He's either the right man for the job and the whole club are behind it, or he isn't.

who says thats actually the case though? Making assumptions about the entire club based on a throwaway guess on a forum

 

[fecka]

He did make Barca more direct than Pep because he realised that getting the ball to the MSN as much as possible would destroy other teams, since then he's been wedded to a particularly fastidious tiki-taka with Spain. I don't think he's gonna move away from it any time soon.

Due to aging midfielders in Xavi & Iniesta.

The tiki-taka with Spain was IMO a direct result of not having any good goalscorers or strikers, hence playing a false 9 instead to create better chances. They created an absolute shit ton of chances in the last WC but too often didn't have anyone who could put it away.

I remember each of Celta Vigo, Roma & Barca all being a bit different from each other as Enrique tried to adapt to the strengths & weaknesses of each squad, but you are right in that his base philosophy revolves a lot around possession of the ball, albeit more direct than the typical tiki-taka.

 

[Rosco1984]

Due to aging midfielders in Xavi & Iniesta.

The tiki-taka with Spain was IMO a direct result of not having any good goalscorers or strikers, hence playing a false 9 instead to create better chances. They created an absolute shit ton of chances in the last WC but too often didn't have anyone who could put it away.

I remember each of Celta Vigo, Roma & Barca all being a bit different from each other as Enrique tried to adapt to the strengths & weaknesses of each squad, but you are right in that his base philosophy revolves a lot around possession of the ball, albeit more direct than the typical tiki-taka.

who wants the ball? such a strange concept to not let your opponents have the ball. I mean they can only score while they have it so why take it off them.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Isn't that everything that's wrong with us summed up in 2 lines though? He's either the right man for the job and the whole club are behind it, or he isn't.

Exactly. This is the biggest problem. If the club are not behind the idea of Enrique then he shouldn't be on the list and Paratici should be moved on or demoted. Just feels like the club don't know what they want really, they seem to have vague boxes that they would like to tick but beyond that....

 

[Buggsy61]

Kompany probably has a good future as a coach, and demands respect from what he has done, I just think its a bit early for us to take an experiment with him.
Its one thing getting a championship team promoted, who although they lost a lot of players there was a premier league structure in place, and you are up against mediocre opposition most weeks, but taking on a top 6 prem side (eeerrrm...cough) with some top tier players and egos, plus playing against really quality opposition managed by coaches who really know their stuff tactically is quite another, and might be a big ask.
We obviously can't afford to get this one wrong, given the unholy mess that we are in, and with memories of the Nuno fiasco still fresh in our minds.
My gut feel is that Slot (with European competition experience as well) would be the right appointment, if he is up for it.