Next Manager Watch

[Johnny J]

Agree. Managerially, we've never been cheap.

If anything, Levy has continually made a mistake by thinking that paying a lot for a high-profile manager will make up for shortfalls in the quality of the squad.

Hindsight is wonderful, of course. But in retrospect we'd have been better off spending the money we gave Mourinho and Conte on the squad.

 

[Danfunkel]

Nagelsmann is 35, he has another 30 years of management ahead if he wants it. A season out of the CL isn't going to matter.

If anything, it would arguably be helpful for his rebuild to not have the pressure of the CL on top of the PL in his first season.

And, imo a year out of the Champions League is far outweighed by managing in the Prem, and at a 'top 6' club with that.

Its the best league in world football.

 

[danielneeds]

I put him more in the next level manager category.

Not saying it wouldn't work as I have no real idea about him. But I'm not ready to write off Slot and think someone with a bigger profile is right for us.

I don’t really care about the big name, it’s more for me Nagelsmann would engrain a pattern of positional play which would make the players look so much better. Slot’s coaching is pattern based until the final third where he generally just gets the ball to wide players and hopes they win a dual.

I also think our squad just suits Nagelsmann better. Given the money we’ve invested in wingbacks, his tactics make more sense.

 

[Lawrence]

I would think from a manager's point of view of selecting a club, it would be how I can progress my career.

For Slot, it would be progress from his point of view, I suspect. From JN's point of view, it's a step down. I don't understand why he would want to choose us. I think sometimes we think of ourselves more highly than we ought to.

We should be looking at managers who see us as a career progression.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Ten Hag was seconds away from taking Ajax to a Champions League final, though. I'd be happy with Slot, but Ten Hag was a safer bet for United than Slot is for us imo.

Well... depends how you look at it. Working environment, squad, money, experience and so on... Ten Hag is a bigger name than Slot... yes... but there is not much between them otherwise IMO....

It's a bit like comparing Tuchel and Nagelsmann.

 

[dontcallme]

If anything, Levy has continually made a mistake by thinking that paying a lot for a high-profile manager will make up for shortfalls in the quality of the squad.

Hindsight is wonderful, of course. But in retrospect we'd have been better off spending the money we gave Mourinho and Conte on the squad.

True, but I also think there's another side to it.

Big name managers who have managed and succeeded at the top have had top level players and their skilset is partly about managing big egos.

It's the managers making a step up who do better with our weaker squad. Jol, Redknapp and Poch all made the most of what they had. That's what we need.

Thinking a big name manager will work wonders with a weaker squad, just doesn't work.

 

[Mr Pink]

I would take Nagdaddy over Slot but I'm equally happy with either.

If this means Poch goes to Chelsea, so be it. Sloppy seconds and all that.

Are we in a position to say 'sloppy seconds' to them....


Really

 

[dontcallme]

I don’t really care about the big name, it’s more for me Nagelsmann would engrain a pattern of positional play which would make the players look so much better. Slot’s coaching is pattern based until the final third where he generally just gets the ball to wide players and hopes they win a dual.

I also think our squad just suits Nagelsmann better. Given the money we’ve invested in wingbacks, his tactics make more sense.

Like I say, I'm not knowledgeable about any of these managers to make the judgment call. I'm just trying to make a judgment based off the outside information I have.

Nagelsmann might be the right manager for us. I'm just saying that him managing Bayern Munich while Slot has managed Feyenoord is not the thought process for me.

 

[Johnny J]

True, but I also think there's another side to it.

Big name managers who have managed and succeeded at the top have had top level players and their skilset is partly about managing big egos.

It's the managers making a step up who do better with our weaker squad. Jol, Redknapp and Poch all made the most of what they had. That's what we need.

Thinking a big name manager will work wonders with a weaker squad, just doesn't work.

Great points.

 

[HedgieSpur]

I put him more in the next level manager category.

Not saying it wouldn't work as I have no real idea about him. But I'm not ready to write off Slot and think someone with a bigger profile is right for us.

Why do you think someone with a lower profile is better? Genuine question.

 

[Timberwolf]

I don’t really care about the big name, it’s more for me Nagelsmann would engrain a pattern of positional play which would make the players look so much better. Slot’s coaching is pattern based until the final third where he generally just gets the ball to wide players and hopes they win a dual.

I also think our squad just suits Nagelsmann better. Given the money we’ve invested in wingbacks, his tactics make more sense.

Yeah I think the wing-backs thing is actually one of the main reasons I want Nagelsmann.

Formations obviously aren't everything but given how much we've invested in specialist wing-backs it would be good to have a manager that actually has a history of using them - and in a back 3 system that's much easier on the eye than Conte's.

Porro/Spence and Udogie in a back 4 could work under Slot but they're all much better going forward than they are defending and we'd get ripped to shreds down the flanks if we're not careful.

 

[danielneeds]

True, but I also think there's another side to it.

Big name managers who have managed and succeeded at the top have had top level players and their skilset is partly about managing big egos.

It's the managers making a step up who do better with our weaker squad. Jol, Redknapp and Poch all made the most of what they had. That's what we need.

Thinking a big name manager will work wonders with a weaker squad, just doesn't work.

This is true and was the fundamental disconnect between the club and Jose/Conte.

Nagelsmann obviously developed a lot of players at Hoffenheim and RBL and didn’t seem as comfortable with the star-packed dressing room at Bayern. Hopefully we could be bridge between the two for him.

 

[dontcallme]

Why do you think someone with a lower profile is better? Genuine question.

Because our best managers have all had lower profiles.

Jol, Redknapp and Poch all had relatively low profiles and they relished making a step up and making the best of what they had. They were used to not being the top of the tree and getting their first choices all the time.

Ramos, Jose and Conte, all ultimately failed. They were used to working with the best and getting in their top targets. Spurs aren't, yet probably ever, the club for that.

 

[dontcallme]

This is true and was the fundamental disconnect between the club and Jose/Conte.

Nagelsmann obviously developed a lot of players at Hoffenheim and RBL and didn’t seem as comfortable with the star-packed dressing room at Bayern. Hopefully we could be bridge between the for him.

Very possible. Like I say, I just don't know enough about Nagelsmann to make any sort of a judgment call on him.

 

[mil1lion]

Well something is up. Unless the media reports were wrong we tried to get Poch when he was at PSG and under contract so the change from then to now there has to be something.

Hitchin is gone and he was the one pushing for Poch

 

[danielneeds]

Yeah I think the wing-backs thing is actually one of the main reasons I want Nagelsmann.

Formations obviously aren't everything but given how much we've invested in specialist wing-backs it would be good to have a manager that actually has a history of using them - and in a back 3 system that's much easier on the eye than Conte's.

Porro/Spence and Udogie in a back 4 could work under Slot but they're all much better going forward than they are defending and we'd get ripped to shreds down the flanks if we're not careful.

The more I see of Porro, the more I’m convinced that he’s not capable of being a FB in the PL. Maybe in a totally dominant team like Trent was in it could work, but he needs a lot of protection. We’ve bought a very expensive specialist player, which shows the madness infecting the club when we knew Conte was going even in Jan.

 

[spursfan77]

There is inevitably going to be a bit of a painful transition when the new coach comes in, whoever it is as the players are at a bit of a low point and they are likely going to have to adopt a more/far more possession style of football, so even with a preseason, we are going to have to be patient as fans.

and probably buy some new ball playing players, which I am more than on board with!

 

[Timberwolf]

The more I see of Porro, the more I’m convinced that he’s not capable of being a FB in the PL. Maybe in a totally dominant team like Trent was in it could work, but he needs a lot of protection. We’ve bought a very expensive specialist player, which shows the madness infecting the club when we knew Conte was going even in Jan.

Yeah I said the exact same thing at the time. Will be very silly if he can't adapt and ends up borderline unusable if we switch to a back 4 next season.

When you've got VVD and Fabinho behind you and dominate possession you can get away with playing a weak defender at full-back. We....don't have that level of cover.

 

[mil1lion]

This is true and was the fundamental disconnect between the club and Jose/Conte.

Nagelsmann obviously developed a lot of players at Hoffenheim and RBL and didn’t seem as comfortable with the star-packed dressing room at Bayern. Hopefully we could be bridge between the two for him.

Honestly think it's similar with Poch. He worked wonders for us but when he went to the star filled PSG he didn't have the same impact. Coaches like this suit a more humble squad where they create a more family vibe. They need young players who absorb their instructions rather than older players who think they know better.

 

[spursfan77]

I'm not over impressed with or how they've operated over the last few years but you have to remember that they are basing decisions like this on far more information than the fans have. The fact that it's such a hard pass when they know it would give them favour with the fans, there has to be a very good reason why.

It won't be anything more than them not wanting to look like idiots if he came in and did well, as they'd then get huge criticism for sacking him in the first place (even if it was somewhat merited at the time as that will have been forgotten conveniently).