Next Manager Watch

[HotSprut]

Surely no sane person prefers Mason over Nagelsmann? IF we stick with Mason I would absolutely love to be wrong, but right now I can't see how he's the better choice, even over Slot

 

[Jamturk]

The players are what got us into this position. They have failed under 2 serial winners. Whether they are on board or not shouldn't matter. The best person for the job should get it.

Whether they are onboard or not shouldn't matter??

Squad management not your thing then?

You're speaking as if we are going to sell and buy 15 players this Summer.

He dropped Dier that alone convinces me he is the man for the job.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Whether they are onboard or not shouldn't matter??

Squad management not your thing then?

You're speaking as if we are going to sell and buy 15 players this Summer.

He dropped Dier that alone convinces me he is the man for the job.

He dropped Dier for 1 game if I remember correctly... is that enough to convince you he's the right man for the job ? ... Dier will be back soon again. Trust me...

We need fresh eyes from outside the club IMO...

 

[Jamturk]

He dropped Dier for 1 game if I remember correctly... is that enough to convince you he's the right man for the job ? ... Dier will be back soon again. Trust me...

We need fresh eyes from outside the club IMO...

I don't think you should underestimate what that small action actually conveys.

 

[WiganSpur]

It's a much bigger gamble to appoint Mason than any of the other candidates we've been linked to imo. Now you could say what about Arteta? But there's two points to that:

-Arteta had worked very closely with Guardiola for a number of years so it was obvious he was going to have a similar play style. What's Mason's going to be? He might well have worked with Conte and Jose, but I don't think any of us would want us to play like either of those. We don't yet have much idea of what Mason's is, we don't know if it's all just "vibes" yet and if he's going to be another Solskjaer, and it's clearly far too early to judge Mason's imprint (or lack of) in terms of coaching patterns of play and structure etc.

-It took years and a flirt with relegation for Arteta to get Arsenal playing. Levy would have sacked him long ago, and failed to back him by getting big name players out the door (like Arteta managed with Auba, Ozil etc). If Mason wanted someone like Kulu, Son or Richy out for attitude/disciplinary issues, would Levy back him? Don't think so somehow.

I also think that if Mason goes out and proves himself elsewhere, then that will give more confidence to the supporters regarding a future appointment which will result in much more patience. If he comes in now and we start off the season with about 8/10 points from 10 games, I can't see him lasting as the fans will think he doesn't know what he's doing.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

I don't think you should underestimate what that small action actually conveys.

Over a longer period of games I would agree... but hey, Mason only has a couple of games anyway. So fair enough

 

[Hoopspur]

I don't think you should underestimate what that small action actually conveys.

It conveys to me that Palace play with a variety of pacey, interchanging forwards that interchange and not an out and out CF. I’ll believe it when I see this against Brentford, Leeds and maybe Villa.

 

[djhotspur]

He dropped Dier for 1 game if I remember correctly... is that enough to convince you he's the right man for the job ? ... Dier will be back soon again. Trust me...

We need fresh eyes from outside the club IMO...

The defence performed much better without him so I am not convinced he will do.

 

[Trix]

This is crazy. You could say that about anybody who's never been a first team manager. Madness

Does everybody who has never been a first team manager have the ability then? I do keep repeating that point for a reason ya know.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

If all the players are on board with Ryan Mason he should get the job in my opinion.

Our best player in generations came from within why not our best manager.

Remember Bill Nicholson. Burkinshaw just came from the coaching staff.
Daniel is going to have some bottle to give it to Ryan. While I would love to see it happen, I don’t know if I would have the guts to do it.
let’s see what happens at Villa. If we play well and stuff them, it might just happen.
After what Ryan has been through it would be the stuff of fairytales.
impressive speaker on that high performance podcast, I think it was called.

 

[Guernman]

Fundamentally disagree. The best managers here built a rapport with Levy, and worked with him rather than trying to poke him all the time. If we get another confrontational manager like Conte it will just be the same result.

That’s why Kompany would have been interesting to me before he signed his contract. He’s the type of person I could see Levy being quite starstruck around and he could have used that to get in his ear and and in his head.

I didn't necessarily mean confrontational, but there has to be a balance of power. That can come from reputation, experience, achievement, as well as circumstances - Mourinho for example was weaker than Conte in bringing Levy to account because he really wanted the job and no doubt told him that he could make this current squad sing. Conte was honest about the situation from the beginning to the end, and while I didn't always appreciate the football, I did appreciate Levy and the wider world being told some home truths about the state of the club.

I am not arguing that Conte did everything right, just that the balance of power was often more on his side, and this meant Levy has for the first time really been under the microscope. Pochettino earned his power through overacheiving after he got the job, but once he had a position of strength he was frequently poking, look at his interviews before the CL final, and his constant talk of having to behave in a different way in the transfer market.

I agree that Kompany would be a good choice, because he already has that power from his standing in the game. My issue is that if Levy hires Mason it will be because he wants to avoid any power struggle at all, and that would be a big step backwards in my opinion. We need a manager who interacts with Levy from a position of strength, that doesn't mean he needs to attack him or antagonise him, it just means he was some clout to negotiate what he and we need. Mason simply doesn't have that

 

[Stamford]

If all the players are on board with Ryan Mason he should get the job in my opinion.

Our best player in generations came from within why not our best manager.

I would hate if the players who have let us down so much would have any say or opinion on the manager

 

[ntmac82]

Whether they are onboard or not shouldn't matter??

Squad management not your thing then?

You're speaking as if we are going to sell and buy 15 players this Summer.

He dropped Dier that alone convinces me he is the man for the job.

So you think Levy should check that the players are happy with who the next manager is? The players should not be involved in selecting the manager. They are here to do a job and are paid well to do so. It shouldn't matter if they like the manager or not.

Dropping Dier, wow. That makes him Pep now does it?

 

[cunn1ngstunt]

If all the players are on board with Ryan Mason he should get the job in my opinion.

Our best player in generations came from within why not our best manager.

All the players that have been lambasted as not good enough or sacrificed in the ‘patient rebuild’ ? I’m not sure having players we do not want to keep around wanting Mason is a coherent rationale for him getting appointed. That’s not a reason why he shouldn’t but it’s not a huge plus point in my eyes.

 

[ntmac82]

Does everybody who has never been a first team manager have the ability then? I do keep repeating that point for a reason ya know.

Do we know if Ryan has the ability? I guess until he has a go at a job you will never know.

Just because he can coach doesn't mean he will be a good manager.

 

[Trix]

Do we know if Ryan has the ability? I guess until he has a go at a job you will never know.

Just because he can coach doesn't mean he will be a good manager.

No, but I'm not saying he is or he isn't because I don't know the answer to that. That'll have to be decided by those that know more about him and his experiences than I do. I was initially replying to a post that said "he isn't good enough" which sparked this whole conversation off.

 

[Jamturk]

We have just had 2 ELITE managers who couldn't do it with our club and yet we still have some amongst us that think if we get the best out there with fancier football they will lead us to the promised land.

They say the definition of madness is.....

For what and where we are as a club we need a unifier, a club man to extract the maximum out of what we have and after listening and observing I like the cut of Mason's gib.

Naggelsmann and Slot have never played or managed in our league before, have not a sliver of affiliation with our club and will be just as much of a gamble as Ryan Mason.

We have the added bonus that he is best buddies with our generational captain who is coming to the end of his contract and he knows Levy more than anyone.

Carlos Kickaball always seems better though.

Oh and fuck Twitter fans when it comes to making football decisions

P.S Levy ain't leaving any time soon.

 

[THE SPURSBOY]

We have just had 2 ELITE managers who couldn't do it with our club and yet we still have some amongst us that think if we get the best out there with fancier football they will lead us to the promised land.

They say the definition of madness is.....

For what and where we are as a club we need a unifier, a club man to extract the maximum out of what we have and after listening and observing I like the cut of Mason's gib.

Naggelsmann and Slot have never played or managed in our league before, have not a sliver of affiliation with our club and will be just as much of a gamble as Ryan Mason.

We have the added bonus that he is best buddies with our generational captain who is coming to the end of his contract and he knows Levy more than anyone.

Carlos Kickaball always seems better though.

Oh and fuck Twitter fans when it comes to making football decisions

P.S Levy ain't leaving any time soon.

You think JN is as much of a risk for us succeeding as mason?

 

[Jamturk]

You think JN is as much of a risk for us succeeding as mason?

Yep, he has already made noises about having a say in transfers and getting the tools he requires to challenge.

I have heard that somewhere before.

He has only managed in his native German league, needing time to acclimatize goes the same for managers as players IMO.

 

[ukdy]

If all the players are on board with Ryan Mason he should get the job in my opinion.

Our best player in generations came from within why not our best manager.

They're on board, until they aren't. Players flip-flopping performances all over the shop. Get the under-performers performing, so they're in the window come the summer.