Next Manager Watch

[ntmac82]

We have just had 2 ELITE managers who couldn't do it with our club and yet we still have some amongst us that think if we get the best out there with fancier football they will lead us to the promised land.

They say the definition of madness is.....

For what and where we are as a club we need a unifier, a club man to extract the maximum out of what we have and after listening and observing I like the cut of Mason's gib.

Naggelsmann and Slot have never played or managed in our league before, have not a sliver of affiliation with our club and will be just as much of a gamble as Ryan Mason.

We have the added bonus that he is best buddies with our generational captain who is coming to the end of his contract and he knows Levy more than anyone.

Carlos Kickaball always seems better though.

Oh and fuck Twitter fans when it comes to making football decisions

P.S Levy ain't leaving any time soon.

What is that constant with those 2 Elite Managers? The Majority of the first team 11 and Daniel Levy.

I don't think the managers were the problem. It was not providing them with the correct tools to do the job.

 

[ukdy]

Mason being seriously under consideration suggests there was never a cohesive recruitment plan in the first place.

OR.... they respect him too much to automatically dismiss him, and are going to consider him, even if in their heart of hearts they know he's not the one. But it's fair and honourable to do so.

 

[Guernman]

We have just had 2 ELITE managers who couldn't do it with our club and yet we still have some amongst us that think if we get the best out there with fancier football they will lead us to the promised land.

They say the definition of madness is.....

For what and where we are as a club we need a unifier, a club man to extract the maximum out of what we have and after listening and observing I like the cut of Mason's gib.

Naggelsmann and Slot have never played or managed in our league before, have not a sliver of affiliation with our club and will be just as much of a gamble as Ryan Mason.

We have the added bonus that he is best buddies with our generational captain who is coming to the end of his contract and he knows Levy more than anyone.

Carlos Kickaball always seems better though.

Oh and fuck Twitter fans when it comes to making football decisions

P.S Levy ain't leaving any time soon.

We are certainly repeating the same mistakes and hoping for different results, but I don't think the problem is hiring elite managers, it's then not fully backing them. It's then expecting them to consistently win football matches with Dier, Davinson Sanchez, Tanganga and Davies. First rate managers are still going to hit a wall with second rate defenders.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

The defence performed much better without him so I am not convinced he will do.

Fair point... let's see

 

[worcestersauce]

Remember Bill Nicholson. Burkinshaw just came from the coaching staff.
Daniel is going to have some bottle to give it to Ryan. While I would love to see it happen, I don’t know if I would have the guts to do it.
let’s see what happens at Villa. If we play well and stuff them, it might just happen.
After what Ryan has been through it would be the stuff of fairytales.
impressive speaker on that high performance podcast, I think it was called.

Burkinshaw was assistant manager and had been that at Hull previously, he had more experience and we went down under him.
Nicholson had coaching experience and was away with the England coaching set up at the world cup before taking over at Spurs.
At the present time I don't think the comparisons are valid.

 

[olithfc]

watching what happened to Scott Parker is one reason why I don't want RM to have the job now. Let's see how he does elsewhere before he gets this one.

 

[mil1lion]

Elite managers or not Jose and Conte were simply not the right fit for us. It was nothing to do with their status and past success. They are managers who have had success with clubs who have and sign world class players. They were never managers who would take a team of young players and develop them over time. They were never going to give us a long term path. Not that the fans would have backed them long term either because their football was too negative. It was just a bad fit all round and Levy wasn't going to change to fit them. It's the profile of manager that is important more than stature.

The concern with Mason is that he simply can't be judged whether he is the right fit. He could turn out to be the next Guardiola or the next Parker. We don't know if he can develop players or keep a team motivated beyond the new manager bounce. He does need to start somewhere as everyone does. This just isn't the time and place for that to start. I might go as far to say that Mason taking over 2 summers ago made more sense when we run out of options on our next manager. The problem is we've gone 4 years playing poor football now and we simply can't take that big a risk.

Every manager will be a risk to some extent but someone like Nagelsmann is the less risky choice. It just wouldn't be fair for Mason to start at a time when the fans are tense and the job is more demanding than ever. At least with someone like Nagelsmann they have had pressure at Bayern and there's no attachment to the club if it fails. Mason wasn't the greatest of players but the way he overcame the career ending injury to make his way into coaching has earned him more admiration from fans than when he was a player. I wouldn't want to see that tarnished if things go wrong for him as a manager. His time will come with us I'm sure, just not yet.

 

[robertgoulet]

It is interesting (can't decide if I'm concerned or not, yet) to me that there have really been no leaks at all for a week or two. Even if not from our side you'd think something would come out from the candidates' sides.

 

[McFlash]

Technically he has been a part of the club for 20 years in some aspect whether that is a player or as a coach (his spell at Hull before the injury aside). He will understand this club better than most out there. He came through the academy alongside Kane and they both know what this club should be about. Noboy has to tell him what Tottenham Hotspur fans expect from the team in terms of style, because he knows what we want.

He needs to go and get experience sure, but he knows what this club's culture should be.

And before that he was sat in the stands watching.
Mason understands what this club means, no doubt about that whatsoever.

 

[McFlash]

Surely no sane person prefers Mason over Nagelsmann? IF we stick with Mason I would absolutely love to be wrong, but right now I can't see how he's the better choice, even over Slot

Go find me one person who has suggested that they prefer Mason over anybody else.
Or just save yourself the time because it hasn't happened.
People are just discussing the possibility of it happening because there's not much actual news to talk about at present.
None of us know how Ryan would fare if he was thrown in at the deep end and I haven't seen anyone suggest that he should be.

He's an unknown quantity and that's why it's an interesting talking point.

 

[danielneeds]

We have just had 2 ELITE managers who couldn't do it with our club and yet we still have some amongst us that think if we get the best out there with fancier football they will lead us to the promised land.

They say the definition of madness is.....

For what and where we are as a club we need a unifier, a club man to extract the maximum out of what we have and after listening and observing I like the cut of Mason's gib.

Naggelsmann and Slot have never played or managed in our league before, have not a sliver of affiliation with our club and will be just as much of a gamble as Ryan Mason.

We have the added bonus that he is best buddies with our generational captain who is coming to the end of his contract and he knows Levy more than anyone.

Carlos Kickaball always seems better though.

Oh and fuck Twitter fans when it comes to making football decisions

P.S Levy ain't leaving any time soon.

Because Conte and Jose didn’t work doesn’t mean no manager will work here. Managers who want to buy the best ready made players aren’t gonna have success under Levy. The managers who have done well here have developed players and built a team that way.

 

[TOLBINY]

All this good fit / bad fit stuff is a red herring IMHO.

Would you take the style of football Jose played at Chelsea if it meant the same level of success he had with them? Would you take the style of football Chelsea and Inter played for two seasons each under Conte if it meant we won league titles and cups like they did under him? I would.

If the argument is that they need top players to succeed, I would ask you to consider how many teams have won the Prem without a top squad of players? Leicester and maybe you could argue Blackburn before that. So every 20 years there is an anomaly, otherwise the Prem has been won by a team with a top squad of players and a good (proven) manager.

So, have we as fans resigned ourselves to the positon that under Levy / ENIC we will never assemble a top squad and so why appoint a proven manager?

Or should we be demanding both?

 

[Munny Man]

JN or AS for me but let's not trivialise what RM has done in a short period of time.

We were absolutely on the bones of our arses. Conte doing Conte things. DL giving Stellini the gig. Beaten by Bournemouth at home. Destroyed in 20 mins by Newcastle away. Losing any hope of Champions League.

He's come into a tactical mess with a seemingly fractured dressing room and from 2 down against United helped us back into the game. From 3 down v Liverpool he helped us back into the game. He dropped a few underperformers against a resurgent Palace and we got the points after a pretty good defensive performance.

I appreciate that people will say that he was complicit in us going behind in those first two games but you have to remember where the squad was mentally when he took over. To elicit any sort of performance out of the squad under the circumstances was an achievement in itself.

Do I want him to get the job? Absolutely not but let's give a little credit where it's due. He's definitely got some tactical nous. He seems to have a bit about him from a motivational perspective. A lot of the raw materials seem to be there. I'm unsure that keeping him around for the next manager would be a good idea for Ryan or for Spurs as a manager shouldn't have his assistant imposed on him. If we're going down this "multi-club" model then he could be given the opportunity with a "related" club in a competitive league to get games underneath his belt and cut his teeth for an extended period of time. Managers, like players, move about to different leagues in different countries. Keep him under the Spurs umbrella and go with the RB model where the managers and the players are given the requisite experience to hopefully prove themselves worthy of a place at the top level.

Spot on. Terrific post!

 

[GetSpurredOn]

It is interesting (can't decide if I'm concerned or not, yet) to me that there have really been no leaks at all for a week or two. Even if not from our side you'd think something would come out from the candidates' sides.

My assumption here is they are working on DoF rather than manager. Now the optimist in me hopes it’s because Nagelsmann is theoretically onboard pending being happy with the DoF appointment. So announce a quality DoF and Nagelsmann follows immediately after. Spors makes the most sense in this scenario.

 

[HedgieSpur]

Whether they are onboard or not shouldn't matter??

Squad management not your thing then?

You're speaking as if we are going to sell and buy 15 players this Summer.

He dropped Dier that alone convinces me he is the man for the job.

Thankfully most evidence points to management requiring more than this.

 

[Yiddo100]

I’m taking the thread off track for some non Mason news

 

[HW61]

Yep, he has already made noises about having a say in transfers and getting the tools he requires to challenge.

I have heard that somewhere before.

He has only managed in his native German league, needing time to acclimatize goes the same for managers as players IMO.

Much like José to Chelscum, Conte to Chelscum, Klopp to Liverpool, Wenger to Ars. Risks with any appointment but I don’t think what you suggest is one of them.

 

[HedgieSpur]

We have just had 2 ELITE managers who couldn't do it with our club and yet we still have some amongst us that think if we get the best out there with fancier football they will lead us to the promised land.

They say the definition of madness is.....

For what and where we are as a club we need a unifier, a club man to extract the maximum out of what we have and after listening and observing I like the cut of Mason's gib.

Naggelsmann and Slot have never played or managed in our league before, have not a sliver of affiliation with our club and will be just as much of a gamble as Ryan Mason.

We have the added bonus that he is best buddies with our generational captain who is coming to the end of his contract and he knows Levy more than anyone.

Carlos Kickaball always seems better though.

Oh and fuck Twitter fans when it comes to making football decisions

P.S Levy ain't leaving any time soon.

This is unfathmable. It’s like saying two of the worlds best surgeons couldn’t successfully perform a heart quadruple bypass so let’s give it to our most promising medical student to have a go.

Even by SC standards, that is a bonkers post…. No offence.

 

[robertgoulet]

My assumption here is they are working on DoF rather than manager. Now the optimist in me hopes it’s because Nagelsmann is theoretically onboard pending being happy with the DoF appointment. So announce a quality DoF and Nagelsmann follows immediately after. Spors makes the most sense in this scenario.

If that is the case I guess you could argue that DoF is a less glamourous position thus less likely to have media interest and less likely for leaks to spring.

If that SM news is true then it would make sense we are taking our time with DoF first, not worried about someone snatching up JN.

 

[Majick]

Intriguing he says publicly, implying things are looking good privately.

I hope so, but it could also mean after the series of car crashes 2 years ago where everyone and their mother knew Spurs' business and just how badly it was being conducted that the club is putting a lot of emphasis on discretion.