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[Timberwolf]

Yeah it really makes me feel better to know that Tottenham couldn't get the Feyenoord manager. I didn't say a few million, I brought up a similar scenario where a manager from Ajax was brought into Manchester United for 3m. I think it would have cost 6 or 7m which is what was reported.

5m for his staff? If he brought 4 staff you think they are all on 1.25m in Holland, as assistants? When have you known buyouts on managers and staff from a smaller league to be so high?

If he wanted to come he would have forced a move anyway and said he can't continue his job and forced Feyenoord's hand, not signed a new deal. Levy never had any real problem paying managers big money to do the job, I don't see why he would be put off by 6 or 7m for Slot because it absolutely wasn't going to be 15m to get him and his assistants out of their contracts. Slot was probably only on a million a year before this new deal.

He turned us down. 2 years ago we had many managers turn us down, Potter for one. We are in a weaker position now. We are a mess and manager's don't want to put their careers in the hands of Levy.

I mean if it really was only 6 or 7m then I think we would've paid it. As you say, that's really not that much in the grand scheme of things. If Feyenoord really did ask for the silly money that was reported (17m?) then I do think it's not such a simple decision, especially given we'd be paying his ~6m salary on top of that. I think that would be the second most ever paid in compensation for a manager in football history, right?

I know it's easy to think "no Dutch team ever charge that much" but Slot's the best thing to happen to Feyenoord in 20 years and they had no obligation to sell him, so I don't think it's unthinkable that they'd ask for a "fuck off" amount to try and drive us away. They'll be able to get a decent pay-out for him regardless down the line, but this buys them some time with the best manager in their modern history.

And then the second Levy showed any hesitancy to pay big money it gave Slot the incentive to say "if they aren't willing to pay big money for me, they can't want me that much" and bide his time, play in the CL and wait for an offer from a more secure club next year.

 

[bungle4]

Yeah it really makes me feel better to know that Tottenham couldn't get the Feyenoord manager. I didn't say a few million, I brought up a similar scenario where a manager from Ajax was brought into Manchester United for 3m. I think it would have cost 6 or 7m which is what was reported.

5m for his staff? If he brought 4 staff you think they are all on 1.25m in Holland, as assistants? When have you known buyouts on managers and staff from a smaller league to be so high?

If he wanted to come he would have forced a move anyway and said he can't continue his job and forced Feyenoord's hand, not signed a new deal. Levy never had any real problem paying managers big money to do the job, I don't see why he would be put off by 6 or 7m for Slot because it absolutely wasn't going to be 15m to get him and his assistants out of their contracts. Slot was probably only on a million a year before this new deal.

He turned us down. 2 years ago we had many managers turn us down, Potter for one. We are in a weaker position now. We are a mess and manager's don't want to put their careers in the hands of Levy.

Why do you talk like you have any knowledge of what went on? Every statement you've made here is just a guess

 

[mil1lion]

Yeah it really makes me feel better to know that Tottenham couldn't get the Feyenoord manager. I didn't say a few million, I brought up a similar scenario where a manager from Ajax was brought into Manchester United for 3m. I think it would have cost 6 or 7m which is what was reported.

5m for his staff? If he brought 4 staff you think they are all on 1.25m in Holland, as assistants? When have you known buyouts on managers and staff from a smaller league to be so high?

If he wanted to come he would have forced a move anyway and said he can't continue his job and forced Feyenoord's hand, not signed a new deal. Levy never had any real problem paying managers big money to do the job, I don't see why he would be put off by 6 or 7m for Slot because it absolutely wasn't going to be 15m to get him and his assistants out of their contracts. Slot was probably only on a million a year before this new deal.

He turned us down. 2 years ago we had many managers turn us down, Potter for one. We are in a weaker position now. We are a mess and manager's don't want to put their careers in the hands of Levy.

Thing is a manager buy out is different. We got Jose and Conte while they were unemployed and paid them wages over the course of their time. A buy out is a one off cost which if he leaves in 3 months like Nuno is a massive loss of money on top of wages. Even 6m is a high amount just to get in a manager. If you want to believe that Feyenoord would let him go for the same amount as was in his contract for next year go ahead. I'm just not sure why the hell they would or even should. Potter was in a great PL position. There's no way Slot turns us down to stay in Eredivisie. Some people just have to be full on negative about their own club though I suppose.

 

[Phil_2.0]

Why do you talk like you have any knowledge of what went on? Every statement you've made here is a guess

2.5m for Ten Hag and his Assistant - fact.

It was reported that Slot would be available for 6m - fact

15m is almost world record buyout for a manager - fact

Slot was approximately on 1.25m a year before his new deal - fact

It gets reported once that Feyenoord would ask 15m for Slot and it's believed. If Slot wanted to come he would have forced his way out but he goes and signs a new deal?

 

[Timberwolf]

2.5m for Ten Hag and his Assistant - fact.

It was reported that Slot would be available for 6m - fact

15m is almost world record buyout for a manager - fact

Slot was approximately on 1.25m a year before his new deal - fact

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It gets reported once that Feyenoord would ask 15m for Slot and it's believed. If Slot wanted to come he would have forced his way out but he goes and signs a new deal?

Ten Hag had a get out clause - FACT

Slot didn't - FACT

I think it's now fairly obvious those reports about 6m compensation were wrong and they were the entire basis for us getting our hopes up when in reality they wanted more.

 

[WiganSpur]

Regarding Ange P dismal record in Europe, think it's important to add a little context;

A couple of weeks in charge of Celtic, his 1st & 2nd competitive games were champions league playoffs against a Danish team, which they lost by a goal over 2 legs.
Cetic then knocked out AZ in the europa playoff to get into a group with Bayer Leverkusen & Real Betis. Finished 3rd on 9pts, 1 off Betis.
Celtic played Bodo Glimt in conference league, lost 1st leg 3-1 at parkhead after dominating possession, chances, corners etc.. done on the break. Put out weakened team in 2nd leg & lost 2 nil.

He was questioned by the press about going head to head with Madrid & RB this season.
1st reason he said that playing a low block & giving quality teams 80% possession wouldn't work for his team, quality teams will punish you. Losing 1 nil is still a defeat.
2nd & most importantly, telling his players to compromise & give up the principles of attacking football he drilled & demanded, would undermine the work done & potentially undermine their confidence in him.

He agreed tactically he made some mistakes & that his players realised the huge step up from Scottish football. His belief is that by pushing themselves each year, keep their attacking principles, they will improve collectively & close the gap to the very top teams in Europe. Dare to dream.

You have to be pragmatic sometimes though. Mourinho was obsessed with the opponent far too much, but Poch imo struck the right balance. In certain games he'd adopt a counter attacking approach that was still free flowing. Anyone remember the 4-1 at home to Liverpool in 2017?

The key is to have your principles and tweak it on occasion, depending on the opponent and the condition of the current squad (e.g injuries). If we go all guns blazing at the Etihad we will get demolished.

 

[spursfan77]

This is a good thread which details where he will have to alter how he plays to a degree for the PL

 

[Phil_2.0]

Thing is a manager buy out is different. We got Jose and Conte while they were unemployed and paid them wages over the course of their time. A buy out is a one off cost which if he leaves in 3 months like Nuno is a massive loss of money on top of wages. Even 6m is a high amount just to get in a manager. If you want to believe that Feyenoord would let him go for the same amount as was in his contract for next year go ahead. I'm just not sure why the hell they would or even should. Potter was in a great PL position. There's no way Slot turns us down to stay in Eredivisie. Some people just have to be full on negative about their own club though I suppose.

It's just not realistic to believe it would cost 15m for Slot, Villa paid 5m for Emery this year. There is no world where a manager from Holland would have such a prohibitive cost on him.

I think if Slot wanted to come he would have got it done, that is what happens in football. Managers can force moves easily and the way their contracts are structured means its going to essentially be some sort buy out situation where Tottenham could just give him the money in signing bonus to buy his way out of a contract, it's not the same as a player contract which are prescribed by a union and registered with the governing body. Manager's are not bound by that and usually all it will take is paying the Salary to buy a manager out.

 

[Phil_2.0]

Ten Hag had a get out clause - FACT

Slot didn't - FACT

I think it's now fairly obvious those reports about 6m compensation were wrong and they were the entire basis for us getting our hopes up when in reality they wanted more.

So Slot wanted to come, Feyenoord stopped his chance at a big job, so he was just like 'fair enough for stopping a dream job and an 8x salary bump, let me sign a new deal with you guys that just stopped my career development'

 

[Timberwolf]

You have to be pragmatic sometimes though. Mourinho was obsessed with the opponent far too much, but Poch imo struck the right balance. In certain games he'd adopt a counter attacking approach that was still free flowing. Anyone remember the 4-1 at home to Liverpool in 2017?

The key is to have your principles and tweak it on occasion, depending on the opponent and the condition of the current squad (e.g injuries). If we go all guns blazing at the Etihad we will get demolished.

I agree with this.

That said, I wouldn't mind the occasional pasting from a top team if it meant we were playing entertaining football and winning games by big margins ourselves.

Ten Hag's United has taken some absolute poundings this season from Liverpool and City by trying to be progressive against them and that must be frustrating, but I'm sure the United fans are happy with the progress they've made under him. Personally I'd be happy to take a few thrashings, certainly in the early days, if it means we're instilling a certain approach and mentality that helps us move forward in the long term.

 

[Timberwolf]

So Slot wanted to come, Feyenoord stopped his chance at a big job, so he was just like 'fair enough for stopping a dream job and an 8x salary bump, let me sign a new deal with you guys that just stopped my career development'

Read my post on the other page - I basically addressed this exact thing.

Based on the reporting, my guess is Feyenoord had a big pay rise on the table for him for ages and Slot didn't take it cos he was interested in Spurs. When Spurs finally got into contact with Feyenoord via the agent, Feyenoord made it clear they wanted a LOT more than Spurs had anticipated.

This made Spurs take a step back and Slot thought "well if they aren't willing to pay the big bucks to get me, fuck it I'll stay one more year" making sure he has a firm get-out clause in his new contract at Feyenoord so he can get out in year's time for sure.

Slot gets to play in the CL for a season, bolster his reputation even more and then leaves in a year for, probably, a bigger or equal-sized job to Spurs but at a more stable project that fully believes in him. Not a bad deal and he doesn't have to make things ugly at the club where he's now a legend by getting nasty and forcing a move.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

This is a good thread which details where he will have to alter how he plays to a degree for the PL

Interesting read – wonder if it's similar to how De Zerbi's Brighton have been battered a couple times towards the end of season when teams have figured out how to play around them as they've tired.

 

[Spud6n6p]

so many facts…

 

[Tucker]

This is a good thread which details where he will have to alter how he plays to a degree for the PL

Worrying stuff.

 

[Phil_2.0]

Read my post on the other page - I basically addressed this exact thing.

Based on the reporting, my guess is Feyenoord had a big pay rise on the table for him for ages and Slot didn't take it cos he was interested in Spurs. When Spurs finally got into contact with Feyenoord via the agent, Feyenoord made it clear they wanted a LOT more than Spurs had anticipated.

This made Spurs take a step back and Slot thought "well if they aren't willing to pay the big bucks, fuck it I'll stay one more year" making sure he has a firm get-out clause in his new contract at Feyenoord so he can get out in year's time for sure.

Slot gets to play in the CL for a season, bolster his reputation even more and then leaves in a year for, probably, a bigger or equal-sized job to Spurs but at a more stable project that fully believes in him.

This is just speculation though. Slot had an escape clause next year.

It's just not realistic that Slot would cost 15m if Slot wanted to come. Managers just don't cost that much unless they are super managers like Nagelsmann or Potter who both went to clubs in the same division. The market for coaches is a lot cheaper, than players.

I think people just don't have a grip on what the market is for coaches buyouts. It's wildly different to players. If Slot wanted the job and Feyenoord were asking 15m for him, Slot would know thats unrealistic and be more angry with Feyenoord than Tottenham.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Saints 2 -4 Newcastle
Saints 1-2 QPR
Saints 0-3 West Brom
Saints 0-1 Norwich
Saints 1-3 Chelsea
Saints 0-1 Tottenham (AVB tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Tottenham x 2 (sherwood tottenham)
Saints 2-3 Villa
Saints 1-2 Everton
Saints 0- 3 Chelsea
Saints 1-3 West Ham
Saints 0-3 Liverpool
Saints 1-4 City
Saints 0-1 Cardiff

That is a selection of what I would say are either bad results or bee. comfortably beaten by the bigger boys from Poch's reign of just 18 months at Southampton.

He did beat Chelsea, City, Liverpool and United in that period but they did have some poor results.

Another stat was that they never recovered a deficit at HT and also blew a few leads in his time there.

Yet under Poch, Tottenham rarely surrendered leads, they would not face as many shock or poor results.

Why am I bringing this up?

Well, sometimes it's easy to get caught up in facts like "Ange was abysmal in Europe", that can be a concern.

But sometimes it really is simply down to the quality you have on the field.

Poch didn't have Vertonghen, Walker and Toby at Southampton.

Nor did he have a Harry Kane.

Is it possible that with Kane, Bissouma, Romero a new GK and CB, Ange's teams are much more prepared to overcome strong opposition? Like Poch was?

I love your posts, they are always articulate and informative. I've been trying to say this in less eloquent ways.

His team's have been substantially more competitive in Europe than results suggest and previous Celtic teams. I'm not sure if it's how talent is measured in the U.S. or elsewhere but you to have to be able to dig that bit deeper for played and managers. It's blinkered to look purely at where managers have success. Let's face it, Ange should have had a chance in the Championship years ago with his record but unfortunately clubs pick from the same talentless ex player pool. Progressives are marginalised.
One poster put we're the 15th richest club shopping in the 9th ranked European league. That to me encapsulates a closed mind which means we miss out on DeZerbi's, Mahrez's etc.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

The Metro says in excess of £17 million for Slot , that's pounds not euros , can anyone find a story quoting a higher figure
Football rumours , might as well read The Beano or The Dandy .

Arne Slot confirms he has decided to snub Tottenham and stay at Feyenoord

Talks between the Dutch club and Slot's agent took place on Wednesday.

metro.co.uk

 

[KingNick]

2.5m for Ten Hag and his Assistant - fact.

It was reported that Slot would be available for 6m - fact

15m is almost world record buyout for a manager - fact

Slot was approximately on 1.25m a year before his new deal - fact

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It gets reported once that Feyenoord would ask 15m for Slot and it's believed. If Slot wanted to come he would have forced his way out but he goes and signs a new deal?

Sorry but your whole train of thought on this is just wrong. There were no buy out clauses and it is not just a case of looking at what they earn multiplying by how long they have left on their contracts. Feyenoord are entitled to demand what they want and see who is prepared to pay it. Maybe a Court would have awarded them less than they were demanding if Slot had just walked out and Feyenoord had to bring a breach of contract claim but he was never going to do that as its risky and not good for reputation. Similarly, Spurs wouldn't take the risk of forcing it and facing an uncertain court case.

 

[Dunc2610]

Why are people still banging on about Slot?

 

[RJR1949]

Why are people still banging on about Slot?

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