Nicolò Zaniolo

[Impspur1]

Well Conte doesn't think he's physical/strong enough for the role, so I guess that's why.

I think it’s pretty obvious that Conte wants strong powerful ball carriers and as much as I like Gill, he isn’t one

 

[DodgyLasagne]

Im sorry but this is a ridiculous take. I cant take your arguments serious with comments like this.

I’m being as ridiculous as you and Trix are here tbh. If you’re going to overrate Zaniolo to this degree then I’m going to underrate him the same way.

Just read the post at the top of the page if you want any actual reasoned take. And yes, I’ve watched Zaniolo quite a few times, in actual matches not just YouTube.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

And I think we’re paying €50m for what is essentially a taller Bryan Gil in terms of his readiness to contribute, and positional versatility.

if you want a young lefty winger who’s good at dribbling but needs a lot of development and seasoning, we already have him.

Gil ain’t ready / good enough mate simple as that. It’s like saying why did we bother signing Bissouma or Bentancur when we have Harvey White ? Gil was also signed to play in a 4-3-3 under Nuno, very different profile of player to what conte likes/needs and conte is ruthless and knows what is needed to win.

The difference between a player of Zaniolo’s quality and physicality coming on in a key let’s say CL semi final game vs Gil coming on could be the difference between us making a final or not.

Im not saying Gil isn’t talented but he’s not ready right now so we need to loan him again or sell him, ideally loan again as there does seem a player there.

 

[DodgyLasagne]

Gil ain’t ready / good enough mate simple as that. It’s like saying why did we bother signing Bissouma or Bentancur when we have Harvey White ? Gil was also signed to play in a 4-3-3 under Nuno, very different profile of player to what conte likes/needs and conte is ruthless and knows what is needed to win.

The difference between a player of Zaniolo’s quality and physicality coming on in a key let’s say CL semi final game vs Gil coming on could be the difference between us making a final or not.

Im not saying Gil isn’t talented but he’s not ready right now so we need to loan him again or sell him, ideally loan again as there does seem a player there.

And I’m saying Zaniolo isn’t who you think he is. I’m really just trying to temper expectations here, Roma are asking a ridiculous fee with €50m and we have somehow convinced ourselves that being totally ripped off for a player like Zaniolo is a good idea. Do we like subsidizing Jose?

Give me a lower fee and the conversation changes.

 

[Trix]

I’m being as ridiculous as you and Trix are here tbh. If you’re going to overrate Zaniolo to this degree then I’m going to underrate him the same way.

Just read the post at the top of the page if you want any actual reasoned take. And yes, I’ve watched Zaniolo quite a few times, in actual matches not just YouTube.

Who has over rated him? Show me what I've said that over rates him?

 

[DodgyLasagne]

Who has over rated him? Show me what I've said that over rates him?

Well, the fact that you think it’s OK to pay €50m for him is implicitly a massive overrating.

Maybe I have misread you and I apologize, I promise I’m not trying to be rude here. I just feel terrified of this fee for this guy.

 

[sundanceyid10]

And if Kulu gets injured or needs a rest? It's clear a player with his attributes are important to how we play. Holding the ball up wide, and being able to drive at players and into the box is clearly part of our game plan under Conte.

I'll add to that Kulu was nothing more than a bit part player at Juve, not because he wasn't good but because his attributes didn't fit their style. Conte saw what he could be, rather than seeing a player who wasn't setting the world alight.

That's what it's about, seeing a player with the right attributes and qualities for his way of playing. Not identifying players with good numbers and trying to shoehorn them in when they aren't suited to playing his way.

Back from the lane today and I just want to say I trust Conte! If this is who he wants, then I’m happy.

 

[daveduvet]

At times, with certain players, we need to accept that our coaching staff know best…. This is one of those times … we can critique, criticise etc until our hearts content,,, but if AC is to be backed we have to accept our opinion is secondary

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I’m being as ridiculous as you and Trix are here tbh. If you’re going to overrate Zaniolo to this degree then I’m going to underrate him the same way.

Just read the post at the top of the page if you want any actual reasoned take. And yes, I’ve watched Zaniolo quite a few times, in actual matches not just YouTube.

Go cool off and have a lemonade buddy. ? Take the evening off, switch the phone or laptop off, put your feet up and relax ?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I’m being as ridiculous as you and Trix are here tbh. If you’re going to overrate Zaniolo to this degree then I’m going to underrate him the same way.

Just read the post at the top of the page if you want any actual reasoned take. And yes, I’ve watched Zaniolo quite a few times, in actual matches not just YouTube.

No one is over rating him lol. If you don’t think he’s worth 50mil then that’s your opinion but for a start we’ve not actually agreed a fee for the guy never mind signed him so you’re worrying yourself about nothing at the moment.

Ultimately if conte and Paratici think he’s worth a certain amount to fit into the overall squad depth and plan then we should trust that, not to say they will get every single signing correct and as many of us have cautioned Zaniolo does have his risks but I think you’re massively underestimating him and his potential as well as not understanding the need to spend decent sums on quality players to improve the squad depth, heck City spent £100mil on grealish and he sat on their bench most of last season , it’s what big teams who aspire to win big things do mate.

The fact you’re comparing his level to Gil makes me think you’ve never seen him play at all tbh.

 

[sundanceyid10]

For sure he has potential, but the situation Kulusevski was coming into is different than Zaniolo. Zaniolo has one of the best Wingers in the league to displace, Kulu got to play 25 times and had to displace Moura and Bergwijn. big difference.

I just don’t understand where he fits. We’re chasing a game, low block, what’s he going to do that Kulu can’t? He ain’t picking a pass, he’s not a maestro, he has to play on the wing and can’t play as an 8 in possession (Kulu can).

So then you say, OK, play him when we’re ahead or playing a big team and we need a player who can break into space… again, if chances are at a premium then we need someone who is a decision making monster. He lets FAR too many promising possessions go to waste with slow decision making, and I question if that is coachable tbh.

Where exactly are we getting the €50m valuation from? He might have that level of talent but he simply will not be able to make €50m worth of impact here. I will stop now as surely I am dampening the mood in here.

Opinions are fine, but I think it’s important to realise Conte is an absolute elite manager, with tons of experience, winning things at the highest level. He wants this player and he sees how he fits, so trust him.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

For sure he has potential, but the situation Kulusevski was coming into is different than Zaniolo. Zaniolo has one of the best Wingers in the league to displace, Kulu got to play 25 times and had to displace Moura and Bergwijn. big difference.

I just don’t understand where he fits. We’re chasing a game, low block, what’s he going to do that Kulu can’t? He ain’t picking a pass, he’s not a maestro, he has to play on the wing and can’t play as an 8 in possession (Kulu can).

So then you say, OK, play him when we’re ahead or playing a big team and we need a player who can break into space… again, if chances are at a premium then we need someone who is a decision making monster. He lets FAR too many promising possessions go to waste with slow decision making, and I question if that is coachable tbh.

Where exactly are we getting the €50m valuation from? He might have that level of talent but he simply will not be able to make €50m worth of impact here. I will stop now as surely I am dampening the mood in here.

Quality Squad Depth.

 

[Spursberg]

Conte reiterated again in his post match interview. "Our main objective was to improve the squad, last season the squad was poor".

indeed, but would he change Son or Kane today even if we had good players on the bench, like a Zaniolo? This is what i want, it is good with squad depth, but it must be of quality that you with confident can take of Son or Kane when they do not perform like today.

yes they are two of the best players in the league, but they still need to feel the push when they drop.

 

[deanostheyido]

Almost sounds like he's describing Zaniolo....

 

[McFlash]

I'll be honest, the more of this thread I read, the more I want to sign him... If only to piss @DodgyLasagne off!! ?

I'm not sure I can ever recall one poster being so vocally against a signing, in all my time on SC.
All credit to nailing your colours so firmly to the mast though. ?

 

[Trix]

Well, the fact that you think it’s OK to pay €50m for him is implicitly a massive overrating.

Maybe I have misread you and I apologize, I promise I’m not trying to be rude here. I just feel terrified of this fee for this guy.

No mate it's all good. All I've said on him is that Conte wants him over all others. That to me means I don't care what he costs.

I haven't seen enough of him to make a truly informed judgement on him, and tbh even if I had(and I wasn't convinced) I'd still want us to get him. I, like you, and everyone else on this forum don't know exactly what Conte See's on him or how he intends to use him. So without that knowledge how can I, you, or anyone else say he's the wrong fit? When I posted originally(start of the thread) of our interest, I mentioned that Conte felt he'd been poorly managed and misused since his injuries. That tells me Conte believes he can improve his performances and get more out of him.

That is good enough for me.

 

[DJS]

And I think we’re paying €50m for what is essentially a taller Bryan Gil in terms of his readiness to contribute, and positional versatility.

if you want a young lefty winger who’s good at dribbling but needs a lot of development and seasoning, we already have him.

Gil is a traditional left footed left winger.

Zaniola is a left footed inverted right winger.

They‘re completely different types of player, if anything on paper Zaniola is more like Kulusevski.

 

[alfiemacdaddy]

Gil is a traditional left footed left winger.

Zaniola is a left footed inverted right winger.

They‘re completely different types of player, if anything on paper Zaniola is more like Kulusevski.

Agree on the kulu comparison and look how well that's turned out for a player who struggled in italy!

 

[DJS]

Agree on the kulu comparison and look how well that's turned out for a player who struggled in italy!

I read somewhere that one person who has monitored Zaniola also feels he’d do a great job at centre forward as has the qualities - shame I can’t remember where read as would have linked it.

So imagine having that flexibility with both him and Richarlison being able to cover a couple of roles upmtop!

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

Doesn't matter mate, you're completely missing the point.

It's not just about the starting XI. Zaniolo is the closest thing to replacing/rotating Kulu without having to change the way we play.

Kulu and Zaniolo are two very similar players in that their both very physical, powerful dribblers that can drive the ball forward.

The trait that makes Kulu so crucial though i feel is the one major thing that Zaniolo is missing. And that trait is decision making. Kulu’s makes the right decision 9/10 whereas Zaniolo does the opposite.

Kulu’s first thought often is also to find the right pass, whereas passing the ball is often the last thing on Zaniolo’s mind.