Nicolò Zaniolo

[chrisd2k]

And capello and manzini

Totti

 

[Timberwolf]

This I could live with. My concern is the injuries but on loan reduces the risk.

Has Ndombele been linked with a move to Roma? I can't see Jose being interested.

Yeah weirdly he has been quite a lot.

While Jose clearly had his issues with Tanguy initially, he did bring him into the team and play him quite a bit in his second season. He was the only manager that actually got anything close to a tune out of Ndombele at Spurs so maybe he feels he would excel in the slower pace of the Italian league (something I can definitely imagine).

I assume it would have to be a loan, though, or a cheap deal with us subsidising his wages a la Adebayor. A loan swap between Ndombele and Zaniolo might suit both parties?

 

[Pebble Dash]

He says in 2 years it should be back to normal. (It's been almost 2 years and the video is over a year old.) Also talks about a phobia of playing and injuring it again which, while this happens with some people, hasn't happened to Zaniolo as he's just played 42 games.

He references Bellerin… a player who despite playing for Arsenal was a very promising defender pre-injury. He’s never been the same since.

Zaniolo has had minor injuries since his 2nd ACL but they’ve been muscle fatigue… a consequence of an ACL but also a risk factor for a further ACL.

I don’t disagree that Zaniolo isn’t a talent but he’s a high risk in terms of existing medical issues and when you add in the fact the EPL is 100mph it makes his potential signing even riskier.

Heaven forbid one of his knees goes again but if it does he’s going to be out 1 year minimum with a 2 year recovery period.

 

[chrisd2k]

He missed four league games last season through injury. One for his Hip flexor 2 for separate muscle issues and one through illness. This permanently injured tag is bollocks. He's had a long term absence previously due to ACL problems just like Virgil Van Dijk has. I doubt anyone would be shouting don't sign VVD if we put 100mil down on the table due to an injury he had 2 years ago.

It's a concern yes but that would be taken into account.

Tbf he's done both knees. That's more than concerning

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Mate if we all just sit there and clap every decision the club and manager makes then we may aswell just close the forum down because all debate is stifled.

You can not like a player the club are looking to sign, be underwhelmed whatever, and at the same time support the player if he does come in.

For me at least, any signing we make is generally exciting. When you look at some PL clubs not even making a single signing this summer, you realise how lucky we are, truly. So it's all relative. Would I be excited if we were to bring in Zaniolo, ultimately yes? I think all of us get excited by any signing really, but compared to other targets we've been linked with, it doesn't at first glance seem the best option we have been linked with, at least to some of us.

It's fine to give a personal opinion on a potential signing. I do it myself.

But the outpouring of negativity for Zaniolo has been truly overboard. All because everyone has their heart set on Maddison - even though most ITKs have said Leicester aren't selling.

If you have a manager who has put together title winning squads, has shown he knows the qualities players require to thrive in his system, and raise the level of the team, i'm happy to defer to his judgement. If the signing fails yes we can look for reasons why. But some of the comments I've read since we've been linked just read like spoilt brats not getting their own way.

 

[knowlespurs]

No one knows the Italian league as well as conte and FP, if they believe he can fit into contes system then brilliant
Every player they have bought from Italy has been brilliant for us

 

[chrisd2k]

At the right price I think I'd take the risk, but a paid two year loan with an option at the end sounds like a good compromise.

Ok but why would Roma accommodate us in that way? If they want to sell or need the money that's not a good deal for them.
If we loan him it feels like deals we've done before whereby we pay a larger loan fee to get around sell on percentages owed to Inter in this case

 

[Trix]

Tbf he's done both knees. That's more than concerning

Yeah but again he's played a full season since his return, and people are failing to acknowledge this by calling him "perma-crocked" which just isn't true. I agree that it has to be taken into consideration, but my point is that it is being blown out of proportion because(imo at least) he's not James Madison. As long as the deal reflects the concern I'm more than happy to take the risk being as Conte really believes he can turn him into a top performer.

 

[Trix]

Ok but why would Roma accommodate us in that way? If they want to sell or need the money that's not a good deal for them.
If we loan him it feels like deals we've done before whereby we pay a larger loan fee to get around sell on percentages owed to Inter in this case

Because of Jose. Remember how much of a git he can be?

 

[chrisd2k]

It's fine to give a personal opinion on a potential signing. I do it myself.

But the outpouring of negativity for Zaniolo has been truly overboard. All because everyone has their heart set on Maddison - even though most ITKs have said Leicester aren't selling.

If you have a manager who has put together title winning squads, has shown he knows the qualities players require to thrive in his system, and raise the level of the team, i'm happy to defer to his judgement. If the signing fails yes we can look for reasons why. But some of the comments I've read since we've been linked just read like spoilt brats not getting their own way.

I haven't seen that. Those that don't rate him are saying so and those that are worried by two ACLs are saying so. Likewise those that just say trust Conte are saying so.

Isn't this exactly what forums are for? Like it or not the negativity is justified in this case just on fitness alone.

I never saw anyone saying it's so negative in the Lenglet thread for example when about 90% were against that transfer.

 

[ParkySpur]

And (yet) another thing.

People are worried about his injury record. Fine. But i'm sure any deal will reflect any concerns, if indeed there are any. Then we have people worrying about his attitude. Largely guesswork, for all we know that might have been resolved. Finally, if Conte think he can manage him and by that I mean coach and mentor him in such a way as to maximise his undoubted talent, then why not?

ANY transfer carries a risk. This one maybe a little more so but that's being over dramatised in the fight to be 'right'. Fucking hell, it might not work, it might be a roaring success, if Conte thinks there's a player in there and can get it out of him, if the player will improve the squad, then what's the problem? That it won't work? Given the recent successes they've had have they not earned the right?

If we spend a few quid on him it's a 'risk' that's seen as acceptable by the club. It won't break us. Worry not about the finances, leave that to those who actually know. You'll still get your pocket money at the end of the week

Haha, this sensible posting shizzle isn't for me, you don't deserve it

Your mums...........ahhhhh that's better

What’s up?
That’s two, long and incredibly sensible posts in as many days. And moreover, I cannot agree more. Again.

Is it the heat?

Do you need to do some painful things with your stick, to make you feel better?

 

[paulcumpstone]

Kulu has a 2 year loan, option at end of 1 with a lower price than year 2

I think the rules have since changed

 

[YB123]

We have to remember he wont be playing 90mins for 40/50 games.

He will be managed accordingly.

 

[TheAmerican]

Yeah but again he's played a full season since his return, and people are failing to acknowledge this by calling him "perma-crocked" which just isn't true. I agree that it has to be taken into consideration, but my point is that it is being blown out of proportion because(imo at least) he's not James Madison. As long as the deal reflects the concern I'm more than happy to take the risk being as Conte really believes he can turn him into a top performer.

ACL isn't the career ender it used to be.

 

[Wogan92]

Tbf he's done both knees. That's more than concerning

Would be more concerning if it was the same knee twice.

 

[littlewilly]

A loan with an option is good because if it doesn’t work out it would allow us to peruse Maddison further down the line for a cheaper fee.

Pursue?

 

[Gollorius]

Yeah but again he's played a full season since his return, and people are failing to acknowledge this by calling him "perma-crocked" which just isn't true. I agree that it has to be taken into consideration, but my point is that it is being blown out of proportion because(imo at least) he's not James Madison. As long as the deal reflects the concern I'm more than happy to take the risk being as Conte really believes he can turn him into a top performer.

He missed 11 games last season, for seven different reasons - one of which was 'unknown'. If that's not a red flag then I don't know what is.

 

[$hoguN]

I think we all just have to give Paratici and Conte the benefit of any doubt here. No-one knows Italian football like Paratici, so we can be sure he has been well scouted and we have done our due dilligence

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I think we all just have to give Paratici and Conte the benefit of any doubt here. No-one knows Italian football like Paratici, so we can be sure he has been well scouted and we have done our due dilligence

I mentioned before, but Paratici has been a massive fan of his for years. Wanted him at Juve. So its a fairly good bet they both know him inside out.

 

[tiger666]

Some great goals and assists in here

Looks class to me. Loan with option is a no brainer.