Match Threads Nottingham Forest Vs Spurs

[HodisGawd]

People are complaining about a 2-0 away win in the Premier League.

Wow.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I think Spurs fans, more than others, underestimate the importance of defence and become restless and frustrated when what is on offer consists largely of resolute, organised defence, despite the defending often being interrupted by Spurs attacks, Spurs chances and Spurs goals.

What did people expect with Antonio Conte? Recall the season when we spent fucking months trying to chase Conte's Chelsea down, as they won 13 matches on the spin and then protected their advantage for the rest of the season. It seemed as if, every sodding week, Chelsea would win 1-0 and we'd make up no ground, even when we were playing peak Pochettino-ball, with our midfield grinding up the opposition and our pressing and movement second to none in the league.

Chelsea did it by defending with full-team resolution, organisation and Conte's famous exhaustively-rehearsed routines and scenarios. We conceded only 26 goals from 38 games and they conceded 33, but they made their many clean sheets count as 1-0 wins.

We need to get accustomed to admiring defending, instead of responding as if it is a necessary evil and considering every spell of opposition possession and pressure as a failure of Spurs' own football. The test is whether the opposition are finding unmarked space and creating multiple high quality chances. Today, Forest rarely did. Partly, that was because they didn't shoot well, but they were restricted throughout to low-percentage shots, because of our defensive organisation and the sheer number of Spurs players who would join the defence when we lost the ball in transition.

You soak up pressure - it's what top teams know how to do. Then you attack ruthlessly when you have the ball. We did both of those thing today, despite struggling in the first half for continuity and midfield control. This is why managers are always going on about the transition. They understand that you are not going to dominate every minute of every match and that, against good, energetic, organised sides in a competititon as fierce as the EPL, even teams in the lower half of the table will possess a basic level of quality that needs to de defended.

If we focus on not conceding, most of the time our stellar forward line and our improving wingbacks will conjure up goals. If we defend like a midtable side, that's what we'll be.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

But he is a back up, we bought Romero because we needed a quality starter. Yes if you want to read that as he’s not good enough for our system then that’s true to a degree but every single team in the world has bench players. And Sanchez has not complained about being Romero’s understudy once. But I don’t see many CD better who would be happy with coming to us and being an Understudy. You have to remember defence (excluding wing backs) never rotates as much as midfield or attack so the logic to having 5/6 qulity attacking options for three spots up the top of the pitch doesn’t relate to the bottom of the pitch as much.

As far as a defender who is happy to be on the bench when Romero is fit, which why I mention it. I can’t think of many better and that is very firmly his role in our squad.

There is a close parallel between Sanchez as a reliable, high quality 4th defender who will always get minutes and starts, but isn't first choice, and Richarlison, who is performing the same function in attack.

The whole point of this year's transfer window was to narrow the gap between the starting 11 and the rest of the squad. In attack, we acquired Richarlison. In midfield, we acquired Bissouma. In defence, Conte has coached Sanchez into being a better defender. He doesn't have Romero's dynamism and passing ability, but as long as he is in his preferred position on the right, he's been the epitome of solidity and reliability.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

A good, solid away win. You can't argue with 2-0 away. Well done lads, onto West Ham. We are looking good

Apparently in the game day thread, you can argue about the win until the cows come home. From some of the posts on here you'd think we were in danger of relegation, not undefeated so far.

 

[chrisd2k]

People are complaining about a 2-0 away win in the Premier League.

Wow.

I haven't seen anyone complain about the result. Where have you seen that?

 

[spurs mental]

I haven't seen anyone complain about the result. Where have you seen that?

Well, you're complaining about the manner in which we won. So there's that.

 

[chrissivad]

I didn’t realise until I just watched it again. That ball by Richarlison for Kane's goal, with the outside of his foot. Brilliant

SC translation:
FFS so one footed...

 

[chrisd2k]

Well, you're complaining about the manner in which we won. So there's that.

That's not what you said. I want to control the ball more in games to control the game. That's all. I didn't realise I was alone in that

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

i appreciate a good defensive display - I just thought that in the first half it was often more luck than judgement. Our midfield was bypassed. We also invited pressure with sloppy passing so we were often caught out of position.

There were several scrambles in the area. There were a couple of blocks. Lloris had to sweep up on a couple of occasions - just getting to the ball first. They got to the byline, behind our defence and lacked a little quality to finish the move off.

I’m not trying to be hyperbolic - I just believe that we weren’t in control defensively and it was Forests lack of quality when it was required rather than a real functional defensive display that meant we kept a clean sheet.

I felt nervous for the first 60 minutes and that is because I didn’t believe we were in control of the game - and I know that possession isn’t the only indicator of control.

 

[spurs mental]

That's not what you said. I want to control the ball more in games to control the game. That's all. I didn't realise I was alone in that

I didn't say anything about complaining.

Just because you want us to control games more and have more of the ball doesn't mean we should do it.

We are controlling games, we don't concede space, that's how we're doing it. How many shots on target did Forest have today for all their possession?

 

[chrisd2k]

i appreciate a good defensive display - I just thought that in the first half it was often more luck than judgement. Our midfield was bypassed. We also invited pressure with sloppy passing so we were often caught out of position.

There were several scrambles in the area. There were a couple of blocks. Lloris had to sweep up on a couple of occasions - just getting to the ball first. They got to the byline, behind our defence and lacked a little quality to finish the move off.

I’m not trying to be hyperbolic - I just believe that we weren’t in control defensively and it was Forests lack of quality when it was required rather than a real functional defensive display that meant we kept a clean sheet.

I felt nervous for the first 60 minutes and that is because I didn’t believe we were in control of the game - and I know that possession isn’t the only indicator of control.

BOOM. Nail on head

 

[HodisGawd]

I haven't seen anyone complain about the result. Where have you seen that?

Clearly that's not what I meant, but you know that already and are just being tiresome.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

 

[Trix]

BOOM. Nail on head

Or not, depending on your pov.

 

[Typical Spurs]

I think Spurs fans, more than others, underestimate the importance of defence and become restless and frustrated when what is on offer consists largely of resolute, organised defence, despite the defending often being interrupted by Spurs attacks, Spurs chances and Spurs goals.

What did people expect with Antonio Conte? Recall the season when we spent fucking months trying to chase Conte's Chelsea down, as they won 13 matches on the spin and then protected their advantage for the rest of the season. It seemed as if, every sodding week, Chelsea would win 1-0 and we'd make up no ground, even when we were playing peak Pochettino-ball, with our midfield grinding up the opposition and our pressing and movement second to none in the league.

Chelsea did it by defending with full-team resolution, organisation and Conte's famous exhaustively-rehearsed routines and scenarios. We conceded only 26 goals from 38 games and they conceded 33, but they made their many clean sheets count as 1-0 wins.

We need to get accustomed to admiring defending, instead of responding as if it is a necessary evil and considering every spell of opposition possession and pressure as a failure of Spurs' own football. The test is whether the opposition are finding unmarked space and creating multiple high quality chances. Today, Forest rarely did. Partly, that was because they didn't shoot well, but they were restricted throughout to low-percentage shots, because of our defensive organisation and the sheer number of Spurs players who would join the defence when we lost the ball in transition.

You soak up pressure - it's what top teams know how to do. Then you attack ruthlessly when you have the ball. We did both of those thing today, despite struggling in the first half for continuity and midfield control. This is why managers are always going on about the transition. They understand that you are not going to dominate every minute of every match and that, against good, energetic, organised sides in a competititon as fierce as the EPL, even teams in the lower half of the table will possess a basic level of quality that needs to de defended.

If we focus on not conceding, most of the time our stellar forward line and our improving wingbacks will conjure up goals. If we defend like a midtable side, that's what we'll be.

What he said.

 

[Chinaspur]

Why did Kane get booked for this celebration?

 

[soflapaul]

I think Spurs fans, more than others, underestimate the importance of defence and become restless and frustrated when what is on offer consists largely of resolute, organised defence, despite the defending often being interrupted by Spurs attacks, Spurs chances and Spurs goals.

What did people expect with Antonio Conte? Recall the season when we spent fucking months trying to chase Conte's Chelsea down, as they won 13 matches on the spin and then protected their advantage for the rest of the season. It seemed as if, every sodding week, Chelsea would win 1-0 and we'd make up no ground, even when we were playing peak Pochettino-ball, with our midfield grinding up the opposition and our pressing and movement second to none in the league.

Chelsea did it by defending with full-team resolution, organisation and Conte's famous exhaustively-rehearsed routines and scenarios. We conceded only 26 goals from 38 games and they conceded 33, but they made their many clean sheets count as 1-0 wins.

We need to get accustomed to admiring defending, instead of responding as if it is a necessary evil and considering every spell of opposition possession and pressure as a failure of Spurs' own football. The test is whether the opposition are finding unmarked space and creating multiple high quality chances. Today, Forest rarely did. Partly, that was because they didn't shoot well, but they were restricted throughout to low-percentage shots, because of our defensive organisation and the sheer number of Spurs players who would join the defence when we lost the ball in transition.

You soak up pressure - it's what top teams know how to do. Then you attack ruthlessly when you have the ball. We did both of those thing today, despite struggling in the first half for continuity and midfield control. This is why managers are always going on about the transition. They understand that you are not going to dominate every minute of every match and that, against good, energetic, organised sides in a competititon as fierce as the EPL, even teams in the lower half of the table will possess a basic level of quality that needs to de defended.

If we focus on not conceding, most of the time our stellar forward line and our improving wingbacks will conjure up goals. If we defend like a midtable side, that's what we'll be.

absolutely, spot on especially the part about admiring defending. It isn't sexy and in fact, it is often rather unaesthetic, but watching a team stifle the opposition without parking the bus has its own beauty. it's really one of the ways you can cut the wheat from the chaff when it comes to onions and all that.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Why did Kane get booked for this celebration?

I was thinking the same thing... makes no sense at all...

 

[BorjeSpurs]

I think Spurs fans, more than others, underestimate the importance of defence and become restless and frustrated when what is on offer consists largely of resolute, organised defence, despite the defending often being interrupted by Spurs attacks, Spurs chances and Spurs goals.

What did people expect with Antonio Conte? Recall the season when we spent fucking months trying to chase Conte's Chelsea down, as they won 13 matches on the spin and then protected their advantage for the rest of the season. It seemed as if, every sodding week, Chelsea would win 1-0 and we'd make up no ground, even when we were playing peak Pochettino-ball, with our midfield grinding up the opposition and our pressing and movement second to none in the league.

Chelsea did it by defending with full-team resolution, organisation and Conte's famous exhaustively-rehearsed routines and scenarios. We conceded only 26 goals from 38 games and they conceded 33, but they made their many clean sheets count as 1-0 wins.

We need to get accustomed to admiring defending, instead of responding as if it is a necessary evil and considering every spell of opposition possession and pressure as a failure of Spurs' own football. The test is whether the opposition are finding unmarked space and creating multiple high quality chances. Today, Forest rarely did. Partly, that was because they didn't shoot well, but they were restricted throughout to low-percentage shots, because of our defensive organisation and the sheer number of Spurs players who would join the defence when we lost the ball in transition.

You soak up pressure - it's what top teams know how to do. Then you attack ruthlessly when you have the ball. We did both of those thing today, despite struggling in the first half for continuity and midfield control. This is why managers are always going on about the transition. They understand that you are not going to dominate every minute of every match and that, against good, energetic, organised sides in a competititon as fierce as the EPL, even teams in the lower half of the table will possess a basic level of quality that needs to de defended.

If we focus on not conceding, most of the time our stellar forward line and our improving wingbacks will conjure up goals. If we defend like a midtable side, that's what we'll be.

Great post this.

To underline bolded point above, in the three games we've won (excluding Chelsea game) you'll find the below stats.

Spurs shots vs opposition shots: 46-45
Spurs shots with xg at 0.10 or higher vs opposition: 17-0

The most consistent way of winning football games is to create more higher quality chances than your opponent, and so far we are doing this really well in the games we've expected to win.

 

[ajspurs]

Match day experience video from the Forest end.