Opinion of AVB in hindsight?

[Lilbaz]

It's closer to it than just being able to pick players like Modric, VDV, Bale and hope they make up for any kind of tactical or coached plan.

Ramos had modric and bale how'd he get on?

 

[Sevens]

Ramos had modric and bale how'd he get on?

First time we finished 4th, we had no VDV. Modric was injured for half a season. Bale only came into the side for half a season as a left back and was OK, nothing more than that.

The lack of credit Redknapp is given by some of our fans is astounding. Especially if those fans rated AVB!

 

[slartibartfast]

Ah the old 'this is what would have happened had Harry stayed' arguement as opposed to what he actually fkin did while here.
And I'm not saying we don't out play these lesser clubs. Of course we do (most of the time anyway), we have better players as I said.
I'm saying imo these teams get the most out of what they have and we don't. We make it look painful.
Every now and then we look bit better, Everton game for example, and it is better than under AVB but for me its still not good to watch most days.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

As a coach he took us vastly forwards from the hap hazard lottery shit we'd been used to under Redknapp, can you imagine how great the football would have been if we'd kept Redknapp and ended up without Modric, VDV, Adebayor (effectively), & Bale ?

If you are struggling to imagine it, think Portsmouth under Redknapp and the turgid pile of wank they played, they would barely get out of their own half for 65% of games - and that team had some better players in it than AVB ended up with in his final half season.

We just completely outplayed Leicester. Just because they managed to a couple of breakaways doesn't mean they are playing more exciting football. Form a tactical and coached perspective It's much easier to get a side to just sit deep and break.

AVB took us forwards from Redknapp?

 

[eViL]

We played some dogshit football under Redknapp a lot of the time, but some of you lot still romanticise over his reign because there were some good times to fill the cracks.

There were times we played great football but the truth of the matter is Redknapp had 4 world-class players at his disposal for a lot of his time and threw away season after season through lack of rotation and poor fitness coaching.

I don't see any difference between the times we play ineffective possession football now, in AVB's time or the legless, long-ball tripe Redknapp was serving up - it's all getting the same result.

The difference now, is our current coach is bringing the kids along. And that works in our business model.

As long as we're getting European football and maintaining a secure Premiership Status, our owners are happy.

And to a point, so should we. Fuck enduring league football for a laugh.

 

[UncleBuck]

4-4-2 like Redknapp. Lloris, Walker, Dawson, Vertonghen, Ekotto, Lennon, Dembele, Sandro, Bale, VDV, Adebayor.

AVB came in and tore apart a system that had served us well the previous two seasons and tried to implement one where we didn't have the suitable personnel to play it.

Totally agree, I can understand a new manager coming into a club and wanting to stamp their own authority on a club but sometimes it's not needed. Since HR we've just not had the same swagger which admittedly we lost in his final months anyway.
I think the point I'm trying to make though is that every change of manager results in yet another squad overhaul, we need to stop looking back at how we were for 18 months under HR and give MP our unconditional backing and allow him to shape a squad to his liking.
We've got to give a manager 3-4 years to at least get the personnel in he wants, problem is trying to find a manager who can come in and play 'our style'.
Can't see it happening in all honesty and sometimes we shoot ourselves in the foot as supporters.

 

[Lilbaz]

We played some dogshit football under Redknapp a lot of the time, but some of you lot still romanticise over his reign because there were some good times to fill the cracks.

There were times we played great football but the truth of the matter is Redknapp had 4 world-class players at his disposal for a lot of his time and threw away season after season through lack of rotation and poor fitness coaching.

I don't see any difference between the times we play ineffective possession football now, in AVB's time or the legless, long-ball tripe Redknapp was serving up - it's all getting the same result.

The difference now, is our current coach is bringing the kids along. And that works in our business model.

As long as we're getting European football and maintaining a secure Premiership Status, our owners are happy.

And to a point, so should we. Fuck enduring league football for a laugh.

King was crocked. Neither Modric or Bale was classed as world class before Harry came. VDV was excellent but there was a reason no-one wanted him. Harry got the best out of all 4 and Ade and Parker and Lennon and a host of other players. He deserves credit for it.

 

[WiganSpur]

Not sure if you're a WUM or not. But that's probably the craziest sh*t I've read since signing up on this forum. Two 4th's and a 5th and that was all down to lottery sh*t? You should go and join the idiots on Glory Glory. They'd love you and make you a mod!

Arguably, with the 11/12 team we had a squad that should have challenged for the league, in the end we only just scraped 4th.

 

[slartibartfast]

It's closer to it than just being able to pick players like Modric, VDV, Bale and hope they make up for any kind of tactical or coached plan.

'Just being able to pick players like Modric, Vdv, Bale and hope they make up for...'
You really believe that was Harrys only contribution to our success under him?
Thats one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted on here about our most successful manager (in PL before the arseholes start typing what about Bill).
With fans like you we dont deserve success. You don't even recognise it when you get it.

 

[Lilbaz]

Totally agree, I can understand a new manager coming into a club and wanting to stamp their own authority on a club but sometimes it's not needed. Since HR we've just not had the same swagger which admittedly we lost in his final months anyway.
I think the point I'm trying to make though is that every change of manager results in yet another squad overhaul, we need to stop looking back at how we were for 18 months under HR and give MP our unconditional backing and allow him to shape a squad to his liking.
We've got to give a manager 3-4 years to at least get the personnel in he wants, problem is trying to find a manager who can come in and play 'our style'.
Can't see it happening in all honesty and sometimes we shoot ourselves in the foot as supporters.

What about if we did give him 3-4 years and all the money he wanted and he turns out to be Rodgers?

 

[WiganSpur]

No he didn't. He inherited a team that had finished 4th. He lost Modric but we replaced him with Dembele who, whilst not in Modric's class, could play similar to Modric in terms of receiving the ball under pressure and retaining possession and also carrying the ball to retain possession.

A team that finished 4th and sold it's two best players.

Dembele, whilst decent, just doesn't compare to Modric.

 

[eddiev14]

lol!!! Some of these comments are hilarious!

 

[WiganSpur]

First time we finished 4th, we had no VDV. Modric was injured for half a season. Bale only came into the side for half a season as a left back and was OK, nothing more than that.

The lack of credit Redknapp is given by some of our fans is astounding. Especially if those fans rated AVB!

I give him a lot of credit for our initial 4th place finish but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that in 11/12 we should have done a lot better than 20 points away from winning the league with the quality we had.

 

[Lilbaz]

A team that finished 4th and sold it's two best players.

Dembele, whilst decent, just doesn't compare to Modric.

Who's choice was it that VDV was sold?

Modric yes fair enough but with the money we brought in a world class keeper to replace a 40 year old. A highly rated defender to replace one that could barely play a game every other week and couldn't train and also a midfielder and attacking midfielder who scored 12 goals for us that season.

 

[WiganSpur]

Who's choice was it that VDV was sold?

Modric yes fair enough but with the money we brought in a world class keeper to replace a 40 year old. A highly rated defender to replace one that could barely play a game every other week and couldn't train and also a midfielder and attacking midfielder who scored 12 goals for us that season.

I think there was some ITK at the time that suggested AVB was only happy to let VDV leave if it meant Moutinho was doable.

 

[Lilbaz]

I think there was some ITK at the time that suggested AVB was only happy to let VDV leave if it meant Moutinho was doable.

From vdv's own lips avb told vdv that he wouldn't be first choice. So vdv left.

 

[slartibartfast]

On the subject I think its safe to say, although obviously I can't prove it, that the day we sacked Harry Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U danced a fkin jig in joy and couldn't fkin believe it as couldn't most of the sensible non moron football community.
The day we appointed AVB Liverpool, Chelski, Arsenal and Man U pissed themselves laughing at us.

 

[SpursSince1980]

dude lost the dressing room. nowhere else to go after that. so, no regrets letting him go. we had no other options.

in terms of style of play and tactics, I have a hard time seeing much of a difference between the way we play now, and when AVB was the coach. both styles are high on possession, but can be turgid. both are relentlessly dedicated to their tactics and do not come to the table with a plan b.

so, yeah, I still think it wasn't the right fit. and as you can probably tell, not too happy that we bought his tactical clone.

 

[eViL]

King was crocked.

He played plenty of games under Redknapp.

 

[Lilbaz]

dude lost the dressing room. nowhere else to go after that. so, no regrets letting him go. we had no other options.

in terms of style of play and tactics, I have a hard time seeing much of a difference between the way we play now, and when AVB was the coach. both styles are high on possession, but can be turgid. both are relentlessly dedicated to their tactics and do not come to the table with a plan b.

so, yeah, I still think it wasn't the right fit. and as you can probably tell, not too happy that we bought his tactical clone.

I think at heart levy and many of our fans are snobs. They want some suave sophisticated manager that talks of philosiphies and such. They don't want the one's that have a cockny accent and have a laugh and joke with the press. You get embarrassed when introducing them to sponsors. But it is those who give the players love, those who the players will do their best for, those that nutcases would turn up to training for.

Because they don't seem sophisticated and struggle to speak one language rather than 4 people underestimate them and think they know nothing about the game.

Sad. I'd have jol, harry or tim over ramos, avb or poch any day of the week. Unfortunately a section of fans hated tim too much (unwarrented in my opinion), so had to go.
I will give poch till the end of the season. Hopefully with a little pace up front he can get it working.