Our set-pieces

[fishhhandaricecake]

One thing we absolutely have to improve on is our set-pieces.

Not just defending them but attacking set-pieces also.

We had 10 corners today, 10!! And aside from the offside goal Romero scored we did absolutely nothing from all of them. Either the delivery was poor as it just hit the first man each time or the movement and bravery and organisation to attack the ball was poor on corners.

On free-kicks my god why can none of these professional players take a free kick? Kane has hit has last 100 into the wall, Dier can’t hit a barn door, Lo Celso has no power and hits the wall or wide, Son should have good technique to take them but not seen him score one ever I don’t think.

Really need to sign a player who can take all of these moving forwards as we lose out on a lot of potential goals and chances on set-pieces and has been like this for a few years now.

 

[DenverSpur]

One thing we absolutely have to improve on is our set-pieces.

Not just defending them but attacking set-pieces also.

We had 10 corners today, 10!! And aside from the offside goal Romero scored we did absolutely nothing from all of them. Either the delivery was poor as it just hit the first man each time or the movement and bravery and organisation to attack the ball was poor on corners.

On free-kicks my god why can none of these professional players take a free kick? Kane has hit has last 100 into the wall, Dier can’t hit a barn door, Lo Celso has no power and hits the wall or wide, Son should have good technique to take them but not seen him score one ever I don’t think.

Really need to sign a player who can take all of these moving forwards as we lose out on a lot of potential goals and chances on set-pieces and has been like this for a few years now.

Said pretty much the same thing the match thread. I sometimes wonder what we do in training as we seem clueless at set pieces whether defending or attacking.

 

[Erm33]

One thing we absolutely have to improve on is our set-pieces.

Not just defending them but attacking set-pieces also.

We had 10 corners today, 10!! And aside from the offside goal Romero scored we did absolutely nothing from all of them. Either the delivery was poor as it just hit the first man each time or the movement and bravery and organisation to attack the ball was poor on corners.

On free-kicks my god why can none of these professional players take a free kick? Kane has hit has last 100 into the wall, Dier can’t hit a barn door, Lo Celso has no power and hits the wall or wide, Son should have good technique to take them but not seen him score one ever I don’t think.

Really need to sign a player who can take all of these moving forwards as we lose out on a lot of potential goals and chances on set-pieces and has been like this for a few years now.

Oh you mean like when I was calling for us to sign ward prowse, and people on here were saying he was winks v2

 

[journeyman]

Our set-pieces have been truly shit for as long as I can remember. Since Darren Anderton for the corners. Drives me mad the number of corners that don’t beat the first man and frees that are hammered into the wall.

 

[TheTanguy]

... Have been utter dogshite for years. And we can't defend set-pieces either!

It really raises the question what the coaches and the players are doing all week on the training pitch.

 

[thePessimist]

Funny when you think of all the training vids coming out of the propaganda machinery showing freekick blinders

 

[Marty]

It really seems like no recruitment team we've ever had has prioritised scouting for a good set piece taker. That is one thing that has to change under Paratici.

I also think set piece takers and coaches in the PL overcomplicate things in a big way, and we're clearly among the worst of the lot. They're obsessed with finding the perfect ball that skims millimetres above the first defender's head but the margins are so fine that it goes wrong 95% of the time and most of the other 5% don't result in a goal either. I genuinely think teams like Burnley and, admittedly in lower leagues, Wycombe have got it right. The margins are too fine aiming for the first man all the time, putting it in the mixer or toward the back post gives much better results in the long run.

But our problem is just as much that our takers aren't good enough at it anyway, be that corners or free kicks.

 

[dontcallme]

Oh you mean like when I was calling for us to sign ward prowse, and people on here were saying he was winks v2

James Ward-Prowse

Wasn't there a report that Southampton wont deal with us after the PEH deal? I'm not sure on the details but apparently they didn't like our approach. I can't see them selling us JWH but I can see us selling Winks to them instead.

spurscommunity.co.uk

Your post actually got 12 positive ratings, no disagrees and a bunch of posters agreeing we should buy him.

 

[Tucker]

This has been the case for as long as I can remember. Both defensively and attacking.

We need a dedicated set piece coach.

 

[Marty]

This has been the case for as long as I can remember. Both defensively and attacking.

We need a dedicated set piece coach.

A set piece coach can bring instant results too. Brentford have a Mexican set piece guru and threaten so much from set pieces of all kinds. Norway borrowed him for the last international break and scored set piece moves in both their games, against Turkey and Montenegro so we don't have to apply the caveat of playing proper minnows.

Football is so full of experts looking for the most marginal of marginal gains these days and to not have a dedicated set piece coach seems negligent. And if we do have one, what are they doing?

 

[Fozzar]

We never replaced Eriksen, and unfortunately there's not too many players like him available (especially to us) at the moment. Ward-Prowse is a top player, but his unusual loyalty (which is admirable) will be a huge stumbling block.

 

[journeyman]

We never replaced Eriksen, and unfortunately there's not too many players like him available (especially to us) at the moment. Ward-Prowse is a top player, but his unusual loyalty (which is admirable) will be a huge stumbling block.

Eriksen’s corners were really muck. His free kicks were at least better than Kane’s though.

 

[al_pacino]

I've been critical of them but I do have some sympathy for the corner takers, two steps up a 1 in 2 incline isn't the best I wouldn't have thought.

No excuses for the rest of the rubbish though.

 

[Erm33]

James Ward-Prowse

Wasn't there a report that Southampton wont deal with us after the PEH deal? I'm not sure on the details but apparently they didn't like our approach. I can't see them selling us JWH but I can see us selling Winks to them instead.

spurscommunity.co.uk

Your post actually got 12 positive ratings, no disagrees and a bunch of posters agreeing we should buy him.

Wasn't my post, later in the thread there was a bunch of posts calling him basically winks.

 

[dontcallme]

Wasn't my post, later in the thread there was a bunch of posts calling him basically winks.

Your post in that thread that got 12 positive ratings:

8 goals and 7 assists in the league last season. 5 goals and 3 assists the previous season.

Winks had a massive 0 goals and assists in the league the last two seasons (obviously he didn't play much last season)

JWP has 3 motm performances in that time. Winks 0.

He's made more tackles, clearances and interceptions per game than winks over the last two seasons, and has played more key passes than winks.

Even a small upgrade in all these metrics in our midfield makes a huge difference to our team, especially if we can't rely on Tanguy, and if Lo Celso is injured for any point of time.

This was followed by people agreeing with you. There are posters who don't rate JWP and some compared him to Winks but you trying to point out that you were the one positive voice towards JWP just isn't true.

 

[Erm33]

Your post in that thread that got 12 positive ratings:

8 goals and 7 assists in the league last season. 5 goals and 3 assists the previous season.

Winks had a massive 0 goals and assists in the league the last two seasons (obviously he didn't play much last season)

JWP has 3 motm performances in that time. Winks 0.

He's made more tackles, clearances and interceptions per game than winks over the last two seasons, and has played more key passes than winks.

Even a small upgrade in all these metrics in our midfield makes a huge difference to our team, especially if we can't rely on Tanguy, and if Lo Celso is injured for any point of time.

This was followed by people agreeing with you. There are posters who don't rate JWP and some compared him to Winks but you trying to point out that you were the one positive voice towards JWP just isn't true.

No I wasn't. I was saying there was a number of people on here who said he's not better than Winks. I didn't say I was the only person in the world who saw the benefits of signing him. Just that there was a bunch of posts saying he's the same player as winks..... And here's a few of them to refresh some memories....


Comments such as

Have they changed the rules so you can bring on rolling subs for set pieces? Because otherwise I don't know why everyone is so keen. In open play he's no better than Winks.

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God no. People complain about Winks but JWP is pretty much the same player but with the ability to take free kicks.

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Would you want to keep Winks if he was able to score a free kick 2-3 times a season?

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And most of this because as @JUSTINSIGNAL said he is good at set pieces. From 13 goals only 2 are from open play. From 10 assists only one against West Ham is from open play.

Not sure what's the source for MOTM performances but yeah I guess he got one for example against Aston Villa because again, he scored 2 free kicks in one match.

Stats per 90 are much more accurate than per game and this really isn't difference when you also consider Spurs had higher % of possession

Or even worse. People complain how Winks doesn't offer anything offensively but there really isn't difference

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Anyway, I'm done having to defend myself with your over pedantic analysis of what you thought I meant from my comment about a post 4 months ago. And also done taking this thread off topic. Have a good rest of your Sunday/Halloween. ?

 

[BorjeSpurs]

Will be interesting to see how we develop our set pieces now that we have a dedicated coach for it. Improving our set-pieces (offensively and defensively) is the most straight-forward thing we can do to be more competitive with our top 6 rivals. Below are the stats from last season set pieces (excluding penalties).

Tottenham
Goals scored: 9
Goals conceded: 10
Goal difference: -1

Manchester United
Goals scored: 7
Goals conceded: 5
Goal difference: 2

Chelsea
Goals scored: 11
Goals conceded: 4
Goal difference: 7

Arsenal
Goals scored: 16
Goals conceded: 7
Goal difference: 9

Liverpool
Goals scored: 19
Goals conceded: 7
Goal difference: 12

Man City
Goals scored: 21
Goals conceded: 1
Goal difference: 20

source: understat.com

 

[spids]

The single biggest issue is that Kane is allowed to take free kicks. He’s scored 2 in 8 years. One 8 years ago (massive deflection) and one this pre-season (massive deflection). In between he has taken probably close to 100 free kicks and hit the wall *every* *single* *time*. He’s a world class CF. A world class penalty taker. But I honestly think the majority of us fans would have at least scored 2 if we took over 100. Conte needs to tell him to walk away and concentrate on the rebounds. Son and Perisic for me.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Horrendous

 

[journeyman]

Conte has to take Kane off free-kicks permanently. No humiliation, private chat, but he has to end it. There could be 3-5 goals at crucial times that depend on that intervention.