Our "Supporters"

[Midostouch]

For as long as I have been going to White Hart Lane the 'supporters' have picked on someone eg John Pratt - remember him anyone? Not a skilful player but an effective one in that he was the workhorse and never ever gave up. Supporters should support - they can moan later on forums.

 

[lennon321g]

our fans are like no other. bitterness(built up over years) runs through our club like a disease. the damage is done. hopefully the next generation of spurs fans are more optimistic and supportive.

 

[Glenn_Purvey]

why cant our fans admit we are playing crap at the moment, actually not crap absolute shit........

 

[DC_Boy]

but we're not playing crap - the last 3 games have been good/very good games - we haven't lost of any of them - how is that crap?

 

[Glenn_Purvey]

dc boy

in the last games we went 1-0 up

and did not go on to win any of them, that is how we are playing crap.

i cant wait for this season to finish, i wonder what odds i will get on spurs not winning another game this season???

 

[DC_Boy]

well it's all about opinions GP - if we'd been playing crap we'd have lost all the games and probably heavily too - so I'm saying we're not playing crap - in fact we've been playing ok the last 3 games overall

 

[SelbYido]

Hello chaps.

As someone who lives up North, is skint & basically has little or no chance of watching Spurs at the Lane for the forseeable future, it annoys me to hear about people who go to the games & just scream abuse at the players. Why? Will it make the players play better?

I don't buy this 'I paid my money, I'll boo if I want to' shit. I've been to York City a couple of times recently & stood in the home standing area in front of the 'Jorvik Reds' group who are not renowned for their forgiveness in the face of poor performances & guess what? No abuse of individual players, no scapegoating & they sang from first whistle to last in freezing weather (rain, wind, sleet etc.) through two games of absolute dross. Conference dross, at that. Its not even like the £14 price was even that cheap for a Conference game.

Of course, people got shouted at when they fucked up but, for example, Onome Sodje misses a sitter & the crowd are pissed off but a minute later its "Onome, Onome..." egging him on to play better & be more confident in front of goal.

Bad support just pisses me off. If you're having such a shit time watching Spurs, don't - give me your fucking ticket & I guarantee I'll enjoy every minute, win or lose & definitely won't abuse the people who are on my side.

And that wasn't just a ploy to get free tickets.

Honest guv.

 

[Blue_Mauvey]

I've just got home from the Wigan game, and once again I'm appalled at how unsupportive many of our "supporters" are. Most of the fans sat around me were just moaning for the entire game. Most of them were just singling out Jenas as usual. He didn't have a very good game, but they were clearly biast against him as they were blaming him for things that had nothing to do with him. I even heard one "fan" just generally say "oh piss off Tottenham". Why do they bother going to games if they're just gonna moan at everything?

Of course, they still love Robbie Keane for some reason. He seems to be the only player who can do no wrong in their eyes. It's probably the main reason I have anything against him really, because all the ****s adore him and hate everyone else.

I'm disappointed that it wasn't just a one-off that there were so many fans around me like this today. It's been like this far too much, and it's making me think twice about going to Tottenham games now.

I don't think our priority in the summer should be to get a goalkeeper or midfielders. I think we need some new supporters.

Well I was at the same game as you lad (after a very busy afternoon), and I thought our lot sang well for the most part. We definitley outsang them (ok, not much of a spar), and it was only when we conceded that our voice fell away. Up till then we were out for a jolly.

In truth though, we're fucking rubbish till we get some tough signings. Roll on another tread-water season.

 

[rez9000]

This isn't about whether JJ had a good game or not. This is about whether or not he deserves all the abuse he gets.

I think the broader question is whether any Spurs player deserves that kind of abuse.

As far as I'm concerned, abuse of that sort is totally, totally unacceptable.

I think it's unconscionable that anyone has the temerity to pile scorn on a player. And I think it's time to put a few misconceptions to rest:

1) "I have the right to express my opinion". Yes, absolutely. Everyone has a right to express an opinion. However, opinion is the basis for debate, not the privilege to denigrate and demean an individual's effort. Free speech is not a profane carte blanche; just because one has the right to say what one wants, that doesn't mean that that right should be exercised indiscriminately.

2) "I pay their wages". Yes and no. A ticket contributes a small amount toward the players' wages. But I fail to see how that translates into being given the right to heap abuse on an individual.

3) "They're professionals. They should earn their wages". I agree wholeheartedly, however, I would ask the abusers how they would feel if they were sworn at if they had an off-day at their place of work.

4) "It's easy / I could have made that pass / My granny could do better". Of cooooooooooourse you could. That's why they're on the pitch and you're widening your arse on the seats. Because being a professional footballer is easy. I mean how hard can it be? All one has to do is hours and hours of strenuous training day-in, day-out. Or spend ninety minutes on a pitch, battering one's body. Or risk suffering an injury that could rob you of your livelihood. Maybe footballers are overpaid these days, but that doesn't make it an easy profession.

And finally, if a player is doing badly, is swearing or booing at him going to make him perform better? Now, unless I've been reading some hideously inaccurate psychology, I think that the way to get someone to perform is to encourage them.

That's my tuppence worth.

 

[jimmy_the_yid]

Everyones preconceptions shape their opinion, i dont like Jenas as a player. i dont know how i'm gonna change my opinion coz now i really scrutinise everything he does and although i know in my heart of hearts he hasnt been worse than most of the players this season everything bad he does i.e simple pass misplaced, or not getting forward to support the attack make me wanna punch him. (in a nice way:grin Sherwood used to have the same effect on him, saying all that thought he looked more up for it today than he has in a while. Twas keane fault for the goal today, what a rubbish pass under little pressure.

 

[StockSpur]

keane's half hearted challenge cost us their goal, but it was partly due also to heskeys poor control allowing the ball to slip under his boot but slowign it down enuff to be able to run onto it and shoot.

 

[StockSpur]

the problem for me is that we are absolutely owning these games in the first half, keane has been shit recently, ok but berbatov has been guilty of messing up softer chances and also theres now a tendency to flick the ball randomly in the direction of other players and expect to get chances to shoot.

However in the 2nd half we are completely easing off, its almost like training ground exercies, where the midfileders and forwards are piling on the pressure on the defence purely through not keeping the ball or strayed passing. We look like a completely different team in the 2nd half of every game ive seen recently, i cant help feeling this is a mangement decision no matter what the coaches are saying!

 

[DC_Boy]

great posts Selb & Rez

the constant moaners and the outright abusers do nothing for Spurs - worse they actually have a negative effect

incidentally some JJ stats from Telegraph - passes 42 accuracy 88% bals won 2

nothing spectacular - but perfectly repectable for a mid player on a less than great away pitch

stats don't 'prove' anything but they're an indicator that my assessment of him as having a decent game wasn't far out

oh and thanks for your honesty jimmy - a good indicator as to why JJ gets so much undeserved abuse - quite frankly for whatever reasons some people are prejudiced against him and it doesn't matter what view they have at the ground or on the box - they won't see a 'true picture'

oh and more confirmation we didn't play crap and that indeed it was a good game

here's Steve Bruce

I was pleased with the point because Tottenham, particularly in the first half hour - and Berbatov in particular - were excellent," added Bruce.
"It's possibly the best anybody has played against us of late given the way the pitch has been playing.
"I thought they were very good, especially in the forward areas, which shows good players can still play on a bad pitch because he (Berbatov) caused us all sorts of problems.

 

[Jonboy]

Well I went to the game yesterday, I thought Jenas was one of our better players and No I dont think he deserves all this bashing. Im going to stick my neck out here and say Huddlestone and Zokora are not good enough. I know Zokora played at centre half (wheres Kaboul?) but I just feel both need replacing as our midfield is what lets us down in so many games. You watch the top 4 clubs and they attack in numbers and defend in numbers. Every game Ive been to this season, crosses go into the box we only have one or two players there opposed to the oppositions 5 or 6. The same happens when we attacked on the break. I used to put this down to fitness but after the new fitness regime I really cant put my finger on what the problem is

 

[DC_Boy]

Well I went to the game yesterday, I thought Jenas was one of our better players and No I dont think he deserves all this bashing.

well said jonboy

 

[wizgell]

That is one aspect of our support that does annoy me. Certain players can do no wrong and others can't do right no matter what they do. Keane and Berbatov could misplace a pass or lose the ball easily and the crowd will still applaud their effort, JJ or Zokora could do exactly the same and a huge grown will go up and people begin moaning.

 

[N10toN17]

Rez and selb, excellent posts, :clap: I'd like to nail them to the forehead of a number of st holders who stand behind me, because they are simply awful, non stop abuse year in year out. If I ever go over the edge and decide to go on the rampage they're the first I'm plugging. :razz:

As for our support in general, we've some terrible regulars at the lane, but chatting to some of my friends who are st holders at other clubs they say pretty similar stuff.

In a funny way we are always likely to have more of that type of supporter because we are a very good side and tantalising close to being a top side, if by comparison we were a regular yo yo club or a championship side our fans would be alot better.

Finally the atmosphere at the lane was much better a few years back when we were mid table, since we've had the two 5th place finishes and the press banging on about us breaking the top four, the moaning has got worse with heightened expectations. So as spurs have got better the fans have got less patient and moan more !!!!! only Spurs supporters could manage that. :grin:

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

As has probably already been said.......I think it's been pretty much consistent throughout the years. Even when we were winning things.

 

[MarkTHFC9]

Its not going to change, every club has their scapegoats, right or wrong.

 

[Real_madyidd]

So has Flatters stopped supporting us yet? He has made the point in two or three threads that he is pissed off. Hopefully we can do something to get rid of the fans who don't want to stick with us through thick and thin.