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Pete Gill on F365 - pretty scathing

Has1978

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A bit OTT - he loves nothing better than ripping into us, but don't entirely disagree.:




http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8742_4002091,00.html

Tottenham Hotspur
Same old Tottenham? Not quite. The Spurs side defeated at Middlesbrough this weekend contained just two of the eleven who started last August's opening-day calamity at Sunderland. Juande Ramos cited the inevitable lack of cohesion as he sought to explain why his side had been second best at the Riverside, observing that "It's always difficult when you've got quite a few new players for them all to settle in." But what is Ramos' job but to shape eleven individuals into a cohesive unit?

Spurs dawdled before belatedly entering the transfer marker this summer, waiting until late July before finally pursuing their long-anticipated overhaul with proper haste. Even now, with Dimi Berbatov exiting and Andrei Arshavin expected, the alterations are not yet complete. Ramos' remark should not be read as an excuse but a damning observation. There is no excuse for a club to begin the new season in such a state of flux.

In fairness, the Tottenham boss has apparently been a mere observer to the Berbatov saga but it is difficult to sympathise with Ramos when he continues to proclaim the Bulgarian's "professionalism" and then feels compelled to omit his lead striker. If, as reported, Berbatov waited until the eve of the new season before handing in a transfer request then that is the most unprofessional act of a Premiership footballer since, well, Ledley King warmed up for the new campaign by falling out of an Essex nightclub on Monday night.

Having announced in an interview published on Saturday morning that "I can play every game this season...I'm fit at the moment so I don't see why I shouldn't be able to play in all the games", there was a particularly depressing resonance to King's omission from the starting line-up. No reason has yet been provided, but he can hardly have been rested on the opening day of the season and it's reasonable to assume his absence was related to a longstanding knee problem. Aside from identifying a replacement for Berbatov, the unavailability of King should cause Ramos to reconsider his decision not to buy a centre-half this summer while events at the Riverside also highlighted why Spurs' failure to buy a defensive midfielder is so baffling.

Officially, Alan Hutton was the only Tottenham player unavailable for duty due to injury. The absence of the right-back should not have spelt calamity but it was the start of Spurs' undoing on Saturday once Ramos opted to deploy Didier Zokora as the Scot's replacement. That left Spurs midfield wretchedly unbalanced and short of bite. Such was Modric's anonymity it was difficult to determine what his role in the team actually was but it certainly appeared as if the Croatian, a playmaker for his national team, was tasked with filling the holding role. No wonder Spurs' defence was run ragged.

In Match of the Day's commentary of Middlesbrough v Tottenham, the name of the visitors' £16m summer recruit wasn't mentioned even once. What a shocking waste of talent.
 
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Fair assessment, albeit quite bluntly communicated.

I would summarise and state that there are many frustrated and piss off Spurs fans today. If we have ambitions of top 4, Boro away should be nothing less than 3 point. I also worry about our obession with continually placing round pegs in square holes.
 

PT

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That's selective editing for you.
 

RuislipSpur

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Spurs dawdled before belatedly entering the transfer market this summer

Pretty sure we already had a signing wrapped up before the window even opened. Not a good article, how anyone can say that is a good assessment is beyond me.
 

jamesc0le

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that is a disgusting article and anybody that falls for that tripe is an idiot.

motd, wtf? did he base the article on watching motd?
 

Khilari

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that is a disgusting article and anybody that falls for that tripe is an idiot.

motd, wtf? did he base the article on watching motd?

mean much for most cases, the fact that GP expected everything to "go through LM" and for him to "dictate the way we play", one would have expected his name to be heavily involved.

the fact that it wasn't means LM was unable to do the job we expected him to do. that's all.
 

biggsyboy

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i thoroughly agree with it. all the problems with spurs over the years have been with our defence. everyone has been so sidetracked with the Berbatov story that they have forgotton that we are not covered properly in other areas such as left back and defensive midfield. who is our hard man? who is the big tackler? there's still 2 weeks to go and I'm sure the management must be aware of this and replacements may well be in the pipeline.....but they should have been sorted long ago
 

Speedy

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mean much for most cases, the fact that GP expected everything to "go through LM" and for him to "dictate the way we play", one would have expected his name to be heavily involved.

the fact that it wasn't means LM was unable to do the job we expected him to do. that's all.

thats not correct though. i watched the game and with different commentary ( radio london ), and modric had a tidy game, very few mistakes and was involved in all of our attacking moves. if his name wasnt mentioned alot on motd, does that really tell you the whole picture? maybe it just tells you a part of the story...

there really is no need to get hysterical either. the OP has a point but now is hardly the time to start arguing about Ramos.
 

Khilari

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who mentioned Ramos?

i watched the full game highlights last night and modric was anonymous. passes bypassed him, his 'involvement in attacking moves" was that he usually played a square ball to either jenas or a short pass to lennon, nothing particulary exciting or different to what JJ does in one of his poorer games.

i don't think it matters much in the context of a season, as I'm sure Modric will come good soon however i do agree with the MOTD analysis of his first match, which was 'not great'.
 

Speedy

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who mentioned Ramos?

i watched the full game highlights last night and modric was anonymous. passes bypassed him, his 'involvement in attacking moves" was that he usually played a square ball to either jenas or a short pass to lennon, nothing particulary exciting or different to what JJ does in one of his poorer games.

i don't think it matters much in the context of a season, as I'm sure Modric will come good soon however i do agree with the MOTD analysis of his first match, which was 'not great'.

the OP's main thrust was blaming ramos.

as for taking motd as gospel, there really is no need to do so. as far as im concerned, modric played as well as the rest of the team which was, as you say 'not great'. but up until the goal, we were holding our own and it could easily have been our first goal if Bent hadnt missed that sitter. the real problem is we didnt respond to their goal even after the disallowed one, but thats a team issue.
 

Paxtonite

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We really are so sensitive on this site aren't we?

The point of the article is not about how many touches Modric had. There were other more pertinent points that have relevance.

Let's not get hung up on the one bit we can defend.
 

RuislipSpur

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who mentioned Ramos?

i watched the full game highlights last night and modric was anonymous. passes bypassed him, his 'involvement in attacking moves" was that he usually played a square ball to either jenas or a short pass to lennon, nothing particulary exciting or different to what JJ does in one of his poorer games.

Keeping possession is an important part of the game. If there is no killer ball available then surely it is better to keep the ball and wait for an opening by playing the easy ball. Middlesborough lined up well and stayed rigid meaning that alot of the passes were working around trying to pull them out of position.

Modric did this well i thought, his game is understated yet a very important piece of the jigsaw
 
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