Petition to stop VAR

[1959-60]

Evening All - new member here.

Would you be so kind as to support the petition to bin VAR? It had 24 supporters at the last count, so the powers that be can't ignore it ?

Please sign and share.

Sign the Petition

Completely stop the use of VAR in English football matches

www.change.org

 

[mightyspur]

Errr no.

 

[Tucker]

Yeah it’s not the concept of VAR that’s at fault, it’s the incompetent people masquerading as referees that’s the problem.

 

[Marty]

You want real change in the way top level football is officiated you need to remove David Elleray from his post as head of IFAB and undo all the shit he's come up with (that he has somehow got ratified) in the last few years.

Binning VAR won't fix anything at this stage, when the VAR of a match is made to make ludicrous decisions because of totally nonsensical rules bent miles beyond their original intent (handball - distinguish the game from rugby + stop people using their arm deliberately to their advantage, offside - prevent goal hanging) it isn't the tech's fault, it's the rule it has to interpret's.

 

[chrissivad]

Yeah it’s not the concept of VAR that’s at fault, it’s the incompetent people masquerading as referees that’s the problem.

It's not just the refs. Rules are confusing and open to interpretation.
It just causes confusion.

We need people who understand the tech and the game to come up with a better way to include var

 

[cider spurs]

A petition ...Surely this needs to be in the Liverpool thread.

 

[Shadydan]

VAR is fine, it's the people who abuse it which is the problem.

 

[sausage]

The biggest problem isn't VAR, and it isn't the rules - it's still the human element. We thought we'd see an end to absurd favouritism in the game, yet we've seen some, quite frankly, incredulous decisions from not only Stockley Park, but also people like Graham Scott stood for 3 mins watching a foul and still desperately finding the smallest of excuses to allow it.

I still have no faith in the integrity of refereeing when they ignore what rugby did and have the ref heard and explaining his decisions. Make complete sense why players don't respect the referee in that case.

 

[1959-60]

Well, I would like to go back to the old way. Officials make mistakes (so do managers and players) but it was always accepted.
If you want a 100% perfect, but sterile game of footy then you may as well play FIFA.
Footy is an earthy game, full of emotion and that's how we all like it. IT should not be involved. Do you think the game has changed for the better since VAR was introduced? I certainly don't.

 

[Shadydan]

Well, I would like to go back to the old way. Officials make mistakes (so do managers and players) but it was always accepted.
If you want a 100% perfect, but sterile game of footy then you may as well play FIFA.
Footy is an earthy game, full of emotion and that's how we all like it. IT should not be involved. Do you think the game has changed for the better since VAR was introduced? I certainly don't.

VAR was absolutely fine in the World Cup, everyone was all for it after that - since then the use of it has been shite and it hasn’t been helped by the constant rule changes recently either.

 

[sausage]

If you want a 100% perfect, but sterile game of footy then you may as well play FIFA.

I mean, if I was suggesting anything 100% perfect that didn't involve bullshit decisions, I wouldn't be suggesting FIFA


I'm generally happy with it when it's working correctly. It is being used to reduce the cheating involved, because human referees are incapable of the ability/non-bias.

A world without the "hand of god", the Vertonghen "offside in his own half", Mendes "wasnt a goal" stuff is what I want. I don't think removing the corruption/inability of the referees is at all 'sterile'.

 

[Casparian]

Tbh I agree with Chris above, aside from the obvious mistakes made by those offering up a decision. What annoys me is the time they take, I watched the recent Villa match expecting an away win Villa duly obliged. First goal came at 47/48 secs after load of waffle decision came 4 mins 30 that time was never recovered,compounded by another wrong call imo the keeper was never stopping that thunderstrike and Barkley was yards away.

Those making the decisions are making VAR look bad, I thought VAR was meant for those controversial moments late tackles, possible headbutt or red card incidents. Never thought it would be used on every goal it's bollocks, people have to wait for some gobshite to give a thumbs up before celebrating just incase Bamford's extra long toenail is offside gtfo. What happened to favoring forwards in tight calls? Not even going down the handball stuff nearly as bad as the players that fall at smallest touch, man the fuck up or get shot with shit. People actually justify ooh bit of contact well within players right to dive, that gained traction on MotD years ago and is now deemed acceptable.

In short VAR is fine just educate the idiots implementingi t, should be like the really good refs of old like Collina seen and not heard. Respected for maintaining integrity of the game not being the star of the show.

 

[Serpico]

VAR is ok for calling it right - its the refs that need replacing. I can't understand why its so difficult to get right. Maybe they should try playing matches without a ref on the pitch and let the players call the decisions as we all did as youngsters .

My only fear is VAR being used to look after the 'so called' big clubs-its an opportunity for refs to show bias which I believed happened before VAR.

 

[dontcallme]

It's a no from me.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

**does the VAR motion**


**waits**

**puts finger to ear, waves away player**
**shakes head, whistles to carry on**

**jogs off**



no dice

 

[rez9000]

I'm pretty much echoing the general feeling here - it's not VAR, it's the refs.

A 'better' (on the assumption that they ever really bring about change) change.org petition would be addressed at PGMOL petitioning them to make referees accountable.

Reverting to a situation in which refs could make whatever call they liked would be a regressive step at this point and, to my mind, would actually be precisely what PGMOL would want. Removing VAR will remove even the marginal oversight they have at the moment.

The game's officials are far too protected. Even when they make the most monumental errors, the worst they suffer is a temporary relegation from officiating high-level games. Graham Scott's absolute clanger recently saw him left off the officials list for the next round of games, but I have absolutely no doubt that he'll be back officiating in the Premier League in very short order.

Shove them in front of a camera to explain their decisions and you'll see a sharp uptick in both the manner of VAR usage as well as the quality of decision-making generally.

Plus, as pressure is put on referees, so too will the laws of the game be more regularly reviewed. How long do you think PGMOL employees would put up with their people being quizzed for things like awarding a handball against a player with his back to the ball before they started pushing IFAB to review idiotic laws?

Push for VAR to be removed and it's all that PGMOL will need to retreat back into their cossetted bubble whereby referees are treated as deities with no accountability, no restraints and nothing stopping them acting precisely as they wish.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

Agrees with everything said on here. Plus of course petitions on change.org achieve exactly fuck-all.

 

[Barmy_in_Palmy]

Agrees with everything said on here. Plus of course petitions on change.org achieve exactly fuck-all.

 

[Yid]

The biggest problem isn't VAR, and it isn't the rules - it's still the human element. We thought we'd see an end to absurd favouritism in the game, yet we've seen some, quite frankly, incredulous decisions from not only Stockley Park, but also people like Graham Scott stood for 3 mins watching a foul and still desperately finding the smallest of excuses to allow it.

I still have no faith in the integrity of refereeing when they ignore what rugby did and have the ref heard and explaining his decisions. Make complete sense why players don't respect the referee in that case.

Exactly this. And that Graham Scott decision has to go down as one of the most egregious in recent years.

 

[taidgh]

Evening All - new member here.

Would you be so kind as to support the petition to bin VAR? It had 24 supporters at the last count, so the powers that be can't ignore it ?

Please sign and share.

Sign the Petition

Completely stop the use of VAR in English football matches

www.change.org

Signed. But I think we'll need more than the 27 signed up currently. Good luck!