Player Ratings v Villa

[dudu]

Dele did well for his assists especially the first one.
But dispossessed 9 times and 6 unsuccessful touches with a 64% pass completion is woeful.

He gave the ball away so often.... Most of the time because he was being selfish and waiting too late too pass

 

[dudu]

Sorry, my bad. You are right. I was looking at shots off target, 5/6.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I'm just watching Sky's highlights of the game. 8 minutes in Lamela plays Kane clean through - Pundit: "I thought Lamela played the wrong ball there". One minute later Alli fucks up trying to play Lamela in - Pundit: "Lovely ball back from Alli, Alli's such a classy player".

34 minutes Alli runs the ball into their defender when in a great position - Commentator: "Delli Alli, lovely feet".

Look, we all know Alli is capable of good stuff. His a 19yo who clearly has buckets of potential and if he fulfils it he will be at the very least another Lampard/Gerrad type influence (I know they were very different players) but at the moment he's earning his place with moments, character and presence and by virtue of the fact that other options are the work shy Chadli, the erratic Son or the 18yo Onomah and some of the pundit hyperbolic bollocks is really ludicrous. For the majority of todays game he definitely wasn't the messiah, he was a very naughty boy, but every game I watch now, pundits are telling us Alli is brilliant whether he's shit, brilliant or indifferent.

Agree with this.

I was surprised when I read the Guardian match report and they made out Alli had a superb game when in fact he had been bumbling around losing the ball at almost every opportunity. Yes he assisted both goals - one which was accidental and the other quick thinking - but the rest of his game was really poor today.

It's amazing how this narrative affects fans as well. So much so they are unable to judge his play objectively and seem totally unaware that their opinion is influenced by english player-biased pundits and press.

 

[leffe186]

I don't think it's necessarily that they are unduly influenced by English-biased pundits. As everyone has said - Alli has a knack of providing or scoring goals despite being generally a bit hit-or-miss. If you're a fan of another club then you'll probably only be judging on highlights, and if you do watch Spurs live you're unlikely to be as concerned as us with minutiae. You'll see him heavily involved in winning us the game.

It's also clear that many of our fans judge players on a handful of incidents each game. A player might be defensively impeccable, then have a brain fart and the oppo score - I've seen players get roasted for that. Kane might have a game where he dose nothing right, then pops up and scores a winner. 9/10. Alli might float about fairly ineffectively, then set up two goals out of nothing. MOTM.

It's not necessarily the influence of pundits - some fans just judge players by different standards.

 

[walton]

Ok performance against a truly awful EPL side. Agree with most assessments, especially re: Kane. However...

Two things are worrying me a little just now.

1. Lack of leadership. As far as I can tell, we have no-one who's willing/able to drag the team in to shape when we're off our game. It was criminally evident against Dortmund, and was evident yesterday when at times we made Villa look almost capable through a combination of horrible sloppiness and lack of concentration. People talk about Toby, but he's just oozes calm - I don't see him giving someone a rollicking when they take their eye off the ball (metaphorically). Alli seems the most likely candidate, but he's 18 and too busy trying to fight with the opposition. Our lack of a leader could really cost us in this squeaky bum run in.

2. Lloris' kicking. Hugo makes Gomes look like Johnny Wilkinson. How is he allowed to be so consistently under-par with the ball at his feet? It serves to invite pressure from the opposition when he boots it straight out of play, and can't do anything for the back four confidence. I said in the match thread that he'll remain outside the world elite until he fixes this...but he is worryingly showing no signs of doing so.

 

[danielneeds]

I don't think it's necessarily that they are unduly influenced by English-biased pundits. As everyone has said - Alli has a knack of providing or scoring goals despite being generally a bit hit-or-miss. If you're a fan of another club then you'll probably only be judging on highlights, and if you do watch Spurs live you're unlikely to be as concerned as us with minutiae. You'll see him heavily involved in winning us the game.

It's also clear that many of our fans judge players on a handful of incidents each game. A player might be defensively impeccable, then have a brain fart and the oppo score - I've seen players get roasted for that. Kane might have a game where he dose nothing right, then pops up and scores a winner. 9/10. Alli might float about fairly ineffectively, then set up two goals out of nothing. MOTM.

It's not necessarily the influence of pundits - some fans just judge players by different standards.

The point I would make is that some of our supporters are now judging Alli as if he's a seasoned pro. There are very few teenagers across Europe affecting big, big games like he is. Of course he's going to be hit or miss, his decision making is still at the learning stage. His personality is what impresses me the most though. He doesn't ever get phased by mistakes, he still wants the ball and is ready to go again.

 

[JonnySpurs]

One thing to say about Eriksen. He's the one the player who pretty much never gets a rest. He's been starting in Europa and in the Prem pretty much back to back. Whilst he may not have been at his best, it's important for us all to be aware of how much Poch clearly values his presence in the team.

Alli, similar to the above in a way. He's had some rest lately but he's playing SO much more this season than any of us and especially he, would have expected. Lots to learn and needs to mature both as a person but as a player too but there's brilliance in those boots.

 

[JimmyG2]

You are right to highlight the brilliance of Eriksen
and by implication his importance to the team
but not sure you are qualified to say he needs to mature as a person
or whether it's relevant anyway.

He doesn't exactly close down but he does try to cut off the angles
of balls being played out from the back
which is a better use of his energy.

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

I see that many here have nominated Kane for the MOTM. He is one of the 3 players that i think performed well in the game vs a weak Villa side (The other 2 being Alderweireld and Lamela). Usually the player who scored 2 goals in a 0-2 win will MOTM for me, but due to his rather "nonchalant" defense play that gave his assigned marked player a clear shot at goal, i will give the MOTM to Alderweireld. Runners-up to Lamela and Kane third. I am also hoping that Kane's decision making in the box will be better (not always wanting to shoot on goal, when a team mate is in better position) in the near future.

On top of this, i hope the team performance yesterday was due to MoPo's instruction in managing fatique (dilly-dallying in the final third and movement not sharp enough). Hope i am correct and the team managed their output (cannot play at 100% all the time) based on assessment of the opponent capabilities and play. COYS!!!

 

[sloth]

I'm just watching Sky's highlights of the game. 8 minutes in Lamela plays Kane clean through - Pundit: "I thought Lamela played the wrong ball there". One minute later Alli fucks up trying to play Lamela in - Pundit: "Lovely ball back from Alli, Alli's such a classy player".

34 minutes Alli runs the ball into their defender when in a great position - Commentator: "Delli Alli, lovely feet".

Look, we all know Alli is capable of good stuff. His a 19yo who clearly has buckets of potential and if he fulfils it he will be at the very least another Lampard/Gerrad type influence (I know they were very different players) but at the moment he's earning his place with moments, character and presence and by virtue of the fact that other options are the work shy Chadli, the erratic Son or the 18yo Onomah and some of the pundit hyperbolic bollocks is really ludicrous. For the majority of todays game he definitely wasn't the messiah, he was a very naughty boy, but every game I watch now, pundits are telling us Alli is brilliant whether he's shit, brilliant or indifferent.

That's what it feels like with Lamela on here (I made him motm yesterday btw, best, most promising game from him in a while in my eyes). It's all positive though, so although it irks I try and ignore it. It's the opposite that really winds me up though, the endless picking out of one player for criticism, you know...

 

[eViL]

That's what it feels like with Lamela on here (I made him motm yesterday btw, best, most promising game from him in a while in my eyes). It's all positive though, so although it irks I try and ignore it. It's the opposite that really winds me up though, the endless picking out of one player for criticism, you know...

I don't see a lot of unjustified criticism for Lamela.

He's still too weak on the ball despite him being quite a big lad, can't (or won't) run at full speed with the ball into space (loves to run into crowds of opposition players) despite him showing, without the ball, he's actually pretty quick. Wants too many touches when he's actually a really fine one or two touch player. Poor set-piece taker. Poor composure and first touch when he has too much time to think about what he's doing. No matter which flank he plays on he can only come inside but then still doesn't threaten the goal.

I don't fault the lads honesty, endeavour or effort and I think he earns his place in the team based on that at the moment.

What Lamela did when he came on against city should be what he's doing every game now - he just isn't.

I defended Lamela for a long time based on the obvious talent he has; but it's still not being translated into consistent GAME CHANGING performance and THIS is the season that should have been the one where he started to be a worry for Premier League defences.

If you think there's one manager of another Premier League team who make plans to stop Lamela, like they do for Kane, Eriksen, Alli or Dembele then you need to think again, because he just isn't the threat going forward that he should be by now.

I don't think there's much to choose between Alli and Lamela in terms of the amount of running and pressing they do or the times they control the ball poorly, lose posession during promising attacks or get caught out doing tricks they shouldn't BUT Alli will pop up with a goal or an assist 8 games out of ten. You can't say the same for Lamela.

I'll give him another season to totally make my mind up BUT I still think the club would sell him if we were offered a good price.

 

[SlotBadger]

Poor set-piece taker

He's not got the whip or pace on his delivery which some players have, but he consistently gets the ball into a dangerous area. Compared with someone like Eriksen, who will deliver 1 perfect corner, yet struggle to reach the first man with the other 4.

 

[eViL]

He's not got the whip or pace on his delivery which some players have, but he consistently gets the ball into a dangerous area.

More consistently than he hits the wall? Nope.

I agree Eriksen should be doing better too.

 

[jezz]

I don't see a lot of unjustified criticism for Lamela.

He's still too weak on the ball despite him being quite a big lad, can't (or won't) run at full speed with the ball into space (loves to run into crowds of opposition players) despite him showing, without the ball, he's actually pretty quick. Wants too many touches when he's actually a really fine one or two touch player. Poor set-piece taker. Poor composure and first touch when he has too much time to think about what he's doing. No matter which flank he plays on he can only come inside but then still doesn't threaten the goal.

I don't fault the lads honesty, endeavour or effort and I think he earns his place in the team based on that at the moment.

What Lamela did when he came on against city should be what he's doing every game now - he just isn't.

I defended Lamela for a long time based on the obvious talent he has; but it's still not being translated into consistent GAME CHANGING performance and THIS is the season that should have been the one where he started to be a worry for Premier League defences.

If you think there's one manager of another Premier League team who make plans to stop Lamela, like they do for Kane, Eriksen, Alli or Dembele then you need to think again, because he just isn't the threat going forward that he should be by now.

I don't think there's much to choose between Alli and Lamela in terms of the amount of running and pressing they do or the times they control the ball poorly, lose posession during promising attacks or get caught out doing tricks they shouldn't BUT Alli will pop up with a goal or an assist 8 games out of ten. You can't say the same for Lamela.

I'll give him another season to totally make my mind up BUT I still think the club would sell him if we were offered a good price.

Really?
Then your not watching properly.
Lamela and Eriksens dispossessed and unsuccessful touches are exactly the same.
Dele and Harry have more unsuccessful touches and are dispossessed more than Lamela and Eriksen.
Here's the actual stats
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/9...remier-League-2015-2016-Aston-Villa-Tottenham
Click offensive and you will see how many times players lose the ball.

 

[Chris12]

I only watched from 50 minutes onwards but I was impressed with Eriksen's pressing.

 

[double0]

Agree with this.

I was surprised when I read the Guardian match report and they made out Alli had a superb game when in fact he had been bumbling around losing the ball at almost every opportunity. Yes he assisted both goals - one which was accidental and the other quick thinking - but the rest of his game was really poor today.

It's amazing how this narrative affects fans as well. So much so they are unable to judge his play objectively and seem totally unaware that their opinion is influenced by english player-biased pundits and press.

Bumbling around losing the ball!. Thats a bit unfair.

He created two assisted goals...lets think about that a minute and we look much better attacking wise with him in the team.

I have to say expectation are now ultra high with our supporters

 

[eViL]

Really?
Then your not watching properly.
Lamela and Eriksens dispossessed and unsuccessful touches are exactly the same.
Dele and Harry have more unsuccessful touches and are dispossessed more than Lamela and Eriksen.
Here's the actual stats
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/9...remier-League-2015-2016-Aston-Villa-Tottenham
Click offensive and you will see how many times players lose the ball.

What's Eriksen got to do with it?

Kane got 2 goals, Alli got 2 assists. What did Lamela get?

 

[danielneeds]

What's Eriksen got to do with it?

Kane got 2 goals, Alli got 2 assists. What did Lamela get?

His shot produced a worldie from Guzan, tipping it onto the post, and his through ball put Kane in almost exactly the same as Alli did, but Kane chipped onto the bar. Best game from Lamela for a while, and his presence always makes our pressing better.

 

[eViL]

His shot produced a worldie from Guzan, tipping it onto the post, and his through ball put Kane in almost exactly the same as Alli did, but Kane chipped onto the bar. Best game from Lamela for a while, and his presence always makes our pressing better.

I didn't say he didn't have decent game but my original point still stands.. the criticism he gets is justified.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The point I would make is that some of our supporters are now judging Alli as if he's a seasoned pro. There are very few teenagers across Europe affecting big, big games like he is. Of course he's going to be hit or miss, his decision making is still at the learning stage. His personality what impresses me the most though. He doesn't ever get phased by mistakes, he still wants the ball and is ready to go again.

I agree with all of that and I did say much the same in my post, but there's still this massive bullshit/reality discrepancy narrative going on that is hard to listen to, whether it's other team's players or our own, and as @JUSTINSIGNAL said, this is a very "English media, English player" thing.

It's like that stuff we kept having to listen to constantly about "how great it is that Poch is giving young "English" players a chance".

If you were watching the news and you heard a reporter interviewing the head of corporation, bank, supermarket chain say "it's great that you are giving English people jobs" you'd be fucking disgusted (unless you're Nigel fucking Farage obviously).

I want a coach who gives chances purely on merit, not on nationality.

And I wonder how players like Veljkovic, Bentaleb feel when the hear this constant xenophobic rhetoric.