Player Watch - Carlos Vinícius

[SUIYHA]

I think there is a player in there somewhere, but I'm not sure how relevant a striker that "needs service" is at a top modern football club, particularly one in a side that isn't creating a lot of chances every game.

That being said - only way he improves his game and builds confidence is with game time

 

[Japhet]

Not sure what a lot of people expect from a player who gets very limited opportunities , always in a team that's cobbled together for a cup game. Harry Kane has often been poor for a few games when he comes back from a lay off and it takes him a few outings to find his feet again, and that's usually in a team that are all familiar and fully integrated. I'd like to hear some suggestions on who would do better than CV under the circumstances. We won't be paying the 35m or whatever it is, but there may be an option to loan for another season.

 

[matty182]

Reading these comments remind me a lot of the things people were saying about another striker when he first appeared although admittedly was younger (random post copied below.)
Id give him time as he's shown more promise than our last back ups..learn the language..settle in..maybe get more game time and then see..to me this is better than a new back up striker every year?



'He was billed with a fair amount of hype and so far hasn't lived up to it.

Different players develop and peak at different times. Kane got a chance in the Europa this season and didn't look ready. Off the pace, heavy touch and didn't impose himself up-front.

I can't see him playing much of a part for us this season now we're out the CC and if we go out the Europa hopefully he can get a loan in League one or Championship and keep working hard on his game out of the spotlight.'

 

[carpediem991]

Reading these comments remind me a lot of the things people were saying about another striker when he first appeared although admittedly was younger (random post copied below.)
Id give him time as he's shown more promise than our last back ups..learn the language..settle in..maybe get more game time and then see..to me this is better than a new back up striker every year?



'He was billed with a fair amount of hype and so far hasn't lived up to it.

Different players develop and peak at different times. Kane got a chance in the Europa this season and didn't look ready. Off the pace, heavy touch and didn't impose himself up-front.

I can't see him playing much of a part for us this season now we're out the CC and if we go out the Europa hopefully he can get a loan in League one or Championship and keep working hard on his game out of the spotlight.'

The one thing that is a problem with giving him time is the transfer fee. If Benfica isnt lowering his price he needs to justify a transfer fee of 40m, and not only in a pandemic it would not be close to be good business.

 

[WiganSpur]

He has been exactly what we needed really. I don't see what the problem is.

Would I pay the £40m or however much it is? No. But I don't see why we can't keep loaning in or signing free agent strikers to cover for Kane from now on.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

There's 2 players to judge here.

Trying to replicate the Kane role, he's very poor. That's not really a slight because a lot of strikers would be, but his build up play is very poor.

Put him in the box and you've got a different player. It's more about how we need to adapt our game to get the best out of him really. I get why Jose said that him and Kane can play together, we've just only seen it for 2 minutes away at West Brom so far.

 

[Shadydan]

I dont care if you find it boring. Or anyone else. My view of vinicius is that he is average to poor and is typical of the recruitment policy in place at spurs. I'm not particularly anti levy. I can seethe positives. But there are glaring holes too. Diffeent debate.

Vinicius is not, at present a prem level striker. Imo.

What kind of striker do you expect to come in and deputise behind Kane and Son and hit the ground running every time he plays?

Do you not think if he played more regularly he'd have time to build up his confidence and understanding with his team mates on the pitch? I mean it's not incredibly difficult logic to understand that if he was first choice he's be much better than he is however he wasn't bought in for that job.

I think someone needs to alter their expectations a little don't you?

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

How is vinicius what spurs need? On what planet is he, at this moment in time, the answer? At 26 he should be reaching peak striking performance. Not a youth development player.

As.for the levy part, maybe. But I'm not convinced the overall strategy is sound. The number of players in this bracket is too frequent for it not to be part of his financial.master plan.

I actually like levy on many levels. But not his role in player recruitment.

God forbid people on here don't tow a populist line.

 

[Shadydan]

How is vinicius what spurs need? On what planet is he, at this moment in time, the answer? At 26 he should be reaching peak striking performance. Not a youth development player.

As.for the levy part, maybe. But I'm not convinced the overall strategy is sound. The number of players in this bracket is too frequent for it not to be part of his financial.master plan.

I actually like levy on many levels. But not his role in player recruitment.

God forbid people on here don't tow a populist line.

Strikers reach their peak around 26 because they are playing more consistently, how don't you understand this?

No one said that player recruitment doesn't need to be looks at and is one of Levy's strong points, it's this particular transfer you're wrong about.

 

[roy@SC]

He is a target man who relies on good crosses into the box. Those ain't gonna arrive with Doherty & Davies as fullbacks, however its always handy to have a player like vinicius around. If we can extend the loan I would be all for keeping him around.

 

[Shadydan]

I don't think it's as simple as that really. I'd guess first choice for the amount of money available (next to nothing) in the current financial climate. All of the summer transfers were the same, good and bad.

Yes it is, he was literally Jose's preferred choice, we just managed to pull Benfica's pants down on this particular deal hence the low price.

 

[carpediem991]

I don't want to put blame on Vinicius but what we really would have needed is a Giroud type.

Come in, play your experience, score goals, know what you are doing, being fine with not starting most of the matches. I know these kind of players do not grow on a tree and are very rare but that would be exactly what we need.

 

[muppetman]

I don't want to put blame on Vinicius but what we really would have needed is a Giroud type.

Come in, play your experience, score goals, know what you are doing, being fine with not starting most of the matches. I know these kind of players do not grow on a tree and are very rare but that would be exactly what we need.

I also wonder how much they would expect in wages? There was a bit of talk about Diego Costa a while back and if someone like him was going to come in (or Cavani at ManU) then they are gonna want to get very well paid before shipping off to the US.

Vini reminds me a bit of when we had Llorente as we rarely adapted our style to play to his strengths. Vini isn't Kane, he isn't going to drop deep and link up play so you need to get the ball to him in dangerous areas. If you do then it looks like he knows how to stick it in the net.

 

[Tucker]

He has been exactly what we needed really. I don't see what the problem is.

Would I pay the £40m or however much it is? No. But I don't see why we can't keep loaning in or signing free agent strikers to cover for Kane from now on.

Yeah I think he’s done well when he’s been given the chance. I think he’s got a fair bit to offer us if I’m honest.

We are never going to have someone anywhere near as good as Kane as cover, even the mega rich clubs can’t do that. City can’t replace Aguero, the drop off in Liverpool‘s attack is crazy when they have to play Origi for example.

He’s been an absolute bargain if you ask me. He’s our cover player, I’m not sure what people were expecting out of him to be honest.

 

[wirE]

In regards of the other strikers that has come and gone, he's scoring almost on a regular basis for us now. He needs more game time, easy as that.

 

[carpediem991]

In regards of the other strikers that has come and gone, he's scoring almost on a regular basis for us now. He needs more game time, easy as that.

To be fair Vini has the Europa League competition to play in with a manager that takes it serious. We havent had that for quite some time.

I wonder how often we would have used him if we would have been in the CL.

 

[WiganSpur]

I don't want to put blame on Vinicius but what we really would have needed is a Giroud type.

Come in, play your experience, score goals, know what you are doing, being fine with not starting most of the matches. I know these kind of players do not grow on a tree and are very rare but that would be exactly what we need.

Isn't Giroud going on a free transfer this summer? With foreign player limits and Chelsea's obvious need for a first choice striker I can see them opting for a new signing plus Abraham hopefully leaving us with an opportunity to bring in Giroud for a year or two.

We have a lot of other priorities this summer. Considering other options such as Ings who would still be very costly, bringing in Giroud short term could be very good business until either one of Parrott or Scarlett are old enough to step up.

 

[danielneeds]

I think he's a decent player, but we're obviously not gonna be buying him next season for almost 40m. Kinda depressing we'll be back to one senior striker again and with Parrott's development not looking that rapid and Scarlett a few years away, it's gonna be a thing again all summer.

 

[brasil_spur]

He has been exactly what we needed really. I don't see what the problem is.

Would I pay the £40m or however much it is? No. But I don't see why we can't keep loaning in or signing free agent strikers to cover for Kane from now on.

Especially given the fact that he has outscored Janssen, and in 16 games is only 6 goals behind Llorente's total from 66 games and 9 behind Soldado's total from 76 games.

7 goals in 16 games some of which are cameo appearances is a pretty decent return IMO. Of course he's no Harry Kane, but given this is his first season in a new league, with very little time on the pitch I actually think he's been a very decent loan signing so far.

 

[Japhet]

To be fair Vini has the Europa League competition to play in with a manager that takes it serious. We havent had that for quite some time.

I wonder how often we would have used him if we would have been in the CL.

No idea, but I think there's plenty of scope for Kane and Vini to play in the same line up. Heaven forbid, Sonny might even get a reat at some point.