Player watch: Christian Eriksen

[sausage]

Can be world class on his day

Nothing to do with pride or bitterness, it's about this bit. Was - once upon at time. When was the last time? As far as I know it hasn't happened in 12 months at Inter, and he was playing at 50% for us in the last 12 months he was with us.

At best it's an attitude thing and he'd try harder if he was willing to put the effort in to kick start his career again. At worst, his mystery stomach injury or realisation he won't get to play for his dream clubs has permanently affected his passion/desire.

A lot of people aren't keen because we could be getting in good players at a time when it seems like it's a buyers market - not settling for the return of a player who wasn't that great when he left, and is returning because he's been worse since he's been gone.

 

[mr ashley]

Nothing to do with pride or bitterness, it's about this bit. Was - once upon at time. When was the last time? As far as I know it hasn't happened in 12 months at Inter, and he was playing a 50% for us in the last 12 months he was with us.

At best it's an attitude thing and he'd try harder if he was willing to put the effort in to kick start his career again. At worst, his mystery stomach injury or realisation he won't get to play for his dream clubs has permanently affected his passion/desire.

A lot of people aren't keen because we could be getting in good players at a time when it seems like it's a buyers market - not settling for the return of a player who wasn't that great when he left, and is returning because he's been worse since he's been gone.

I get what you’re saying.
I have tried to explain potential reasons for his downturn and shown the bigger picture. There’s so much more than just saying ‘put some effort in’

I won’t ever agree with the comments people make about him ‘phoning it in’ for example, because frankly what would be the point of showcasing your lack of commitment when you are looking for a new (improved) team. There’s just no logic behind that argument.

I also see the case for the ‘never go back’ argument. But this isn’t looking like a transfer of that nature. As I said, it looks like a 6month loan deal for virtually no money, at a point where we’ve either not got the money to spend on our first choice targets, or they’re simply not available mid season.

As a low-risk stop gap, I don’t see why people are so against this

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

There so much bitterness in this thread it’s really embarrassing.

If we want to re-write history we can, but there are some accurate accounts of how things panned out for Eriksen in the last 18months of his contract. Firstly, once he reached that point we were often reminded that part of the attraction for him when he joined us from Ajax was that he’d get time to develop instead of rotating in and out. He chose us instead of Man City because we suited his career plans better. We were a stepping stone for him, like it or not.

So right from the start we can see that he’s not a player driven by the biggest contracts, hence the reason why he didn’t sign the big money offer on the table from us- why would he? It would be a poor strategy for a player looking to make the step up to the biggest teams (Real/Barca etc).

It didn’t go to plan, mostly it seems because Zidane was desperate to get Pogba and so he was overlooked. Barca equally showed how bad their recruitment was, and looked in different directions.

Put yourself in his shoes. Pretty depressing to see see your career pathway plans suddenly shut down. Made worse because, after a lot of loyalty to Spurs he made a brave/regrettable comment in the media about a desire to experience more than just Spurs.
The reactions on here over the last 10 pages alone prove that it was a mistake on his part. Some really butthurt fans- when as rightly pointed out he did no worse than Modric or Walker.

Performance-wise he struggled. He wasn’t at his best, but if we think about what made him so good, it was the ability to pick out the runs of dele, Harry and son. They were all absent for long periods in that time. He was the only ever- present. Poch never rested him because he couldn’t.

And his game from the very start was not about crunching tackles. Like modric, he was much more about closing down, making interceptions and intelligent pressing to shut down passing lanes. His stats reflect that he did this very well too.

There’s also the chronic stomach issue. Whilst not in the public domain (for obvious reasons, much like lots of players), it wouldnt surprise me to find out that he may be dealing with a chronic condition such as Ulcerative Colitis. From family experience, it can be draining at times with debilitating flare ups. But treatable, as we can see from Darren Fletcher. That’s just a theory of mine.

When he left for Inter, let’s remember that he ended up living alone at the training ground as a result of the pandemic whilst his wife and small child remained in London. I doubt if any of us would be firing on all cylinders in that setup.

Now he’s apparently looking for a way out of Inter, and is interested in returning to us. You can see why he might. Bit like Robbie Keane (how were we about that btw?)
Inter will no doubt still owe some money on the transfer (it’s only been 12months, so likely the second/third instalment max). Writing that off for the asset (Eriksen) in return probably offers better value (perhaps not, don’t know the inner financial workings of the club).
At worst, it would cover the loan fee for 6months.

And we’d receive a player that:
Knows the league
Knows the language
Knows the club
Knows the teammates
Knows the manager
Isnt required to play every game (he’d
likely rotate with Lo Celso or Ndombele)
Can be world class on his day

And if things didn’t really work, at the end of the season we could just shake hands, say thanks and focus on the next player like Sabitzer.

Once people put their pride to one side, there’s very little downside to this deal.

TLR - he was better than we give him credit for, he left and wants to come back. It’s a deal with a huge upside. Get over yourselves.

Very Good post

 

[sausage]

I get what you’re saying.
I have tried to explain potential reasons for his downturn and shown the bigger picture. There’s so much more than just saying ‘put some effort in’

I won’t ever agree with the comments people make about him ‘phoning it in’ for example, because frankly what would be the point of showcasing your lack of commitment when you are looking for a new (improved) team. There’s just no logic behind that argument.

I also see the case for the ‘never go back’ argument. But this isn’t looking like a transfer of that nature. As I said, it looks like a 6month loan deal for virtually no money, at a point where we’ve either not got the money to spend on our first choice targets, or they’re simply not available mid season.

As a low-risk stop gap, I don’t see why people are so against this

I think the main reason why people would be against it is just based on capacity.

To use him in the squad, we'd have to first sacrifice another player, and then I guess the feeling is that we'd be taking him back over another option that could be out there (Sabitzer or similar). Doesn't matter how realistic, just is what it is.

If Dele goes he's a straight swap in the PL squad (we have room to swap a HG for a non-HG) but it's more complicated in the EL.

 

[mr ashley]

I think the main reason why people would be against it is just based on capacity.

To use him in the squad, we'd have to first sacrifice another player, and then I guess the feeling is that we'd be taking him back over another option that could be out there (Sabitzer or similar). Doesn't matter how realistic, just is what it is.

If Dele goes he's a straight swap in the PL squad (we have room to swap a HG for a non-HG) but it's more complicated in the EL.

Sorry, that’s been my point all along.
We only sign him because we ship out dele. That’s almost a guarantee.

 

[king26]

wont happen they want all his wages paid and mourinho doe not want him back

 

[Dov67]

bringing him back after a failed move to Inter reminds me of bringing back Robbie Keane after a failed move to Liverpool.......tail between their legs and not sure it would work.

At least Keane was brilliant up to the point he declared his love for Liverpool and left. Really don't think we'd be getting the Eriksen of 2018. Best to leave it alone and thanks for the memories

 

[Parkie]

On a loan there is no down side.

Apart from the hope, man. Apart from the hope.

 

[king26]

I get what you’re saying.
I have tried to explain potential reasons for his downturn and shown the bigger picture. There’s so much more than just saying ‘put some effort in’

I won’t ever agree with the comments people make about him ‘phoning it in’ for example, because frankly what would be the point of showcasing your lack of commitment when you are looking for a new (improved) team. There’s just no logic behind that argument.

I also see the case for the ‘never go back’ argument. But this isn’t looking like a transfer of that nature. As I said, it looks like a 6month loan deal for virtually no money, at a point where we’ve either not got the money to spend on our first choice targets, or they’re simply not available mid season.

As a low-risk stop gap, I don’t see why people are so against this

milan would want a loan fee pluss all his wages paid by spurs so noo chance this is happening pluss all the talk is his agent not spurs

 

[mr ashley]

milan would want a loan fee pluss all his wages paid by spurs so noo chance this is happening pluss all the talk is his agent not spurs

Inter want a loan fee?
Any chance the loan fee matches the next instalment of the transfer fee they owe us?

Inter also want all his wages paying too you say?
Now then, which recent loan deal started off with those demands being made then - and how did it end up?

Transfer talk coming from an agent- whatever next?

You speak with such certainty- are you ITK?

 

[McFlash]

Inter want a loan fee?
Any chance the loan fee matches the next instalment of the transfer fee they owe us?

Inter also want all his wages paying too you say?
Now then, which recent loan deal started off with those demands being made then - and how did it end up?

Transfer talk coming from an agent- whatever next?

You speak with such certainty- are you ITK?

As far as I'm aware, no he fucking isn't.
Like he knows the inner workings of both us and inter!

 

[EQP]

Want him back but I can't see Levy committing to a loan fee and covering Eriksen's full wages. Inter have apparently stated that they will pressure Tottenham for a loan fee but all other clubs wouldn't need to pay a loan fee, so it seems they intend on making this difficult for us. I hope we have a back-up option lined up.

 

[mr ashley]

Want him back but I can't see Levy committing to a loan fee and covering Eriksen's full wages. Inter have apparently stated that they will pressure Tottenham for a loan fee but all other clubs wouldn't need to pay a loan fee, so it seems they intend on making this difficult for us. I hope we have a back-up option lined up.

Yes I saw the same tweet by Fabrizio Romano (presume that’s what you are referring to)

Apparently inter are annoyed at us for ‘making them’ spend £27 mil on Eriksen last January.
Such a strange comment.

All this is just posturing.
Those demands won’t last 5mins when either:
A) no other teams make a bid
Or (crucially)
B) Eriksen decides he doesn’t want to go to any other club

I think there needs to be a bit better understanding of how a transfer negotiation works.
Selling club tries to force price up by encouraging a bidding war
Buying club tries to force price down by looking at other targets.
Of course inter are going to make things difficult for us. I’d expect us to mate things just as difficult for them. That’s business.

 

[king26]

He’s worth the money for his corners and free kicks alone

 

[ikky]

Would you want him if he wasn’t previously a Spurs player? Just imagine a player who’s been poor for a year at his current club and was relatively poor for 18 months for his club before although was admittedly class before that. You’d think this is a player on the serious decline and it’s a massive gamble hoping he could come good again after being poor for 2 & 1/2 years. If you look at him with non Spurs tinted glasses you’d think we should stay clear.

 

[dagraham]

Would you want him if he wasn’t previously a Spurs player? Just imagine a player who’s been poor for a year at his current club and was relatively poor for 18 months for his club before although was admittedly class before that. You’d think this is a player on the serious decline and it’s a massive gamble hoping he could come good again after being poor for 2 & 1/2 years. If you look at him with non Spurs tinted glasses you’d think we should stay clear.

Well there’s different ways of looking at it and if it was a permanent transfer at a high cost I’d agree with you.

As it is though I think it’s a simple case of either a) no one in Jan and continue to rely completely on N’Dombele and Kane as the only ones to be able to pass the ball properly or b) take a chance on Eriksen for the rest of the season and maybe he could make the difference between top four or not.

 

[ikky]

Well there’s different ways of looking at it and if it was a permanent transfer at a high cost I’d agree with you.

As it is though I think it’s a simple case of either a) no one in Jan and continue to rely completely on N’Dombele and Kane as the only ones to be able to pass the ball properly or b) take a chance on Eriksen for the rest of the season and maybe he could make the difference between top four or not.

a 6 month loan only I could agree with.

 

[LukaKranjcar]

Hes got no hope ?

 

[EQP]

Yes I saw the same tweet by Fabrizio Romano (presume that’s what you are referring to)

Apparently inter are annoyed at us for ‘making them’ spend £27 mil on Eriksen last January.
Such a strange comment.

All this is just posturing.
Those demands won’t last 5mins when either:
A) no other teams make a bid
Or (crucially)
B) Eriksen decides he doesn’t want to go to any other club

I think there needs to be a bit better understanding of how a transfer negotiation works.
Selling club tries to force price up by encouraging a bidding war
Buying club tries to force price down by looking at other targets.
Of course inter are going to make things difficult for us. I’d expect us to mate things just as difficult for them. That’s business.

I understand the general sentiment but the incentive for Inter is to get a player who is no longer in the managers plans out of the club and to save on his salary. If they make things exorbitantly difficulty for us and it turns out that we're Eriksen's only viable option and we decide to leave the negotiations, they still have to pay this unhappy player his salary and the manager will still likely not play him. We have better leverage in this proposed deal and they know it. This is all posturing but I hope we have a back-up option regardless.

 

[dagraham]

a 6 month loan only I could agree with.

Isn’t that the only possible deal on the table?