Player Watch Player Watch: Dejan Kulusevski

[spursfan77]

Was the wrong player to bring on imo, Lucas was providing a lot of energy and movement in the second half and once he went off we let them back into the game.

Yep. Another mistake by the manager last night.

On a different note, the shit this bloke is getting after about 25 minutes on the pitch is embarrassing.

 

[spursfan77]

No idea why it needs to be explained but, just because we bought him after not getting Diaz, does not mean they are the same type of player!

It’s the same mindset of fans who don’t rate Kane because he doesn’t have speed of 90 on fifa. It’s childish.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Clearly the only one who thought he looked positive. Both him and Bentancur looked purposeful with their passing and dribbling. Kulusevskis didn't come off so well but let's give him time.

Yesterday's problem was again brain farts in our defence, and stage fright in midfield.

You are spot on describing our midfield suffering from stage fright. Last night showed us in no uncertain terms that we should never again go into a game with Hojbjerg and Winks pairing. If Southampton can tear us a new arsehole, imagine what City would do in a couple of weeks.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

you have to give the kid time. I'm super critical of him but there is no doubt he gets time.

you also have to understand the comments on him being good enough come off the back of two average seasons at Juve where the fans and club wanted him gone. it's not hard to see both sides.

 

[SUIYHA]

The posts in here are pathetic and highlight the modern “fan”.

This young kid needs time to integrate into the team and the league. Give him time.

Actually, I'd critique the modern "fan" that ignores what is right in front of them in the blind, irrational hope that something will change just because he plays for their own football team.

If he'd come on and terrorised the Southampton defence, scored a couple of goals and shown some unique flair and technical skill then do you think people would be writing "wait and see - he needs time to prove he's consistent, remember how good Mido was on his debut". No, everyone would be going nuts and rightly so. So why not the other way around?

We heard the same old "give him time" stuff about Postiga, Chiriches, Paulinho and well...literally every other flop signing we've ever made. I'm all for giving young players coming to a new country some time to adapt - but I expect to see flashes of brilliance like we saw from Son, Modric, Berbatov, Eriksen etc in their early struggles. Last two games I've seen exactly what Juve fans described when celebrating getting rid of him - you could say we got exactly what it said on the tin.

Maybe he'll prove people wrong. I hope he does. He has time to do so. But...not impressed at all so far.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

When you have little trust in our recruitment process, squad management and Paraticis ability to identify a player (or just general ability) - then, unfortunately, that automatically means that there is now doubt cast straight away on a new player.

Unfair perhaps.

And while Kuluesvki has shown very little to get excited about in his two small cameos, he has also had very little time to do so.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Actually, I'd critique the modern "fan" that ignores what is right in front of them in the blind, irrational hope that something will change just because he plays for their own football team.

If he'd come on and terrorised the Southampton defence, scored a couple of goals and shown some unique flair and technical skill then do you think people would be writing "wait and see - he needs time to prove he's consistent, remember how good Mido was on his debut". No, everyone would be going nuts and rightly so. So why not the other way around?

We heard the same old "give him time" stuff about Postiga, Chiriches, Paulinho and well...literally every other flop signing we've ever made. I'm all for giving young players coming to a new country some time to adapt - but I expect to see flashes of brilliance like we saw from Son, Modric, Berbatov, Eriksen etc in their early struggles. Last two games I've seen exactly what Juve fans described when celebrating getting rid of him - you could say we got exactly what it said on the tin.

Maybe he'll prove people wrong. I hope he does. He has time to do so. But...not impressed at all so far.

I still think we should give Postiga time. Loved that guy for some, now unfathomable, reason.

 

[Blake Griffin]

No idea why it needs to be explained but, just because we bought him after not getting Diaz, does not mean they are the same type of player!

and i don't know why it needs to be explained that people knew full well we weren't getting a diaz/speedster type in kulusevski, it's more that they think we should have targeted that type of player instead. it also begs the question how we go from nearly signing one player and then when that doesn't happen we move onto another with a completely different profile.

 

[JCRD]

I think people need to chill.. sheesh. I have cracked a few jokes, not funny I know but whatever

In reality though we all know the guy deserves time ofcourse... he hasnt played in a while, looks rusty as fuck and particularly yesterday, it wasnt the sort of position Conte should have put him in.

I personally think he is more of a Lamela type player who isnt the quickest but is intelligent and smart and could play a number 10.

And all the sensitivity in here - blimey... I bet the ones who are saying other people are toxic cos of their views are also the same who are orgasming senseless over Bentacur who mad one good pass and did one good trick. If you can make judgements on a good player then someone is allowed to make judgements on what they view as bad performances.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

and i don't know why it needs to be explained that people knew full well we weren't getting a diaz/speedster type in kulusevski, it's more that they think we should have targeted that type of player instead. it also begs the question how we go from nearly signing one player and then when that doesn't happen we move onto another with a completely different profile.

I agree. And it's that sort of change in direction at the very end of the window that makes it seem as if we were panicking and unplanned in our recruitment - again.

 

[wizgell]

No idea why it needs to be explained but, just because we bought him after not getting Diaz, does not mean they are the same type of player!

Same people that had to spend years being told that Lamela was never a direct replacement for Bale just because he wore his shirt number.

 

[JCRD]

and i don't know why it needs to be explained that people knew full well we weren't getting a diaz/speedster type in kulusevski, it's more that they think we should have targeted that type of player instead. it also begs the question how we go from nearly signing one player and then when that doesn't happen we move onto another with a completely different profile.

My first thought was fuck Kulu is slow but think more out of surprise. I havent seen much of him so I cant say and to be honest im not going to trawl through youtube videos.

I personally think we need pace out on those wide areas, its not all about pace but with how we are approaching games, pace is key in how we counter. Obviously we felt it was important otherwise we wouldnt have gone for Diaz/Traore.

 

[Danny1]

Actually, I'd critique the modern "fan" that ignores what is right in front of them in the blind, irrational hope that something will change just because he plays for their own football team.

If he'd come on and terrorised the Southampton defence, scored a couple of goals and shown some unique flair and technical skill then do you think people would be writing "wait and see - he needs time to prove he's consistent, remember how good Mido was on his debut". No, everyone would be going nuts and rightly so. So why not the other way around?

We heard the same old "give him time" stuff about Postiga, Chiriches, Paulinho and well...literally every other flop signing we've ever made. I'm all for giving young players coming to a new country some time to adapt - but I expect to see flashes of brilliance like we saw from Son, Modric, Berbatov, Eriksen etc in their early struggles. Last two games I've seen exactly what Juve fans described when celebrating getting rid of him - you could say we got exactly what it said on the tin.

Maybe he'll prove people wrong. I hope he does. He has time to do so. But...not impressed at all so far.

Well here is a case of "selective memory". Sonny was totally ineffective in his first season and Modric was only ok.

You say Juve fans are celebrating getting rid of him, however I have seen hundreds of posts of the exact opposite.

So here is a question, did you watch the Brighton game where Kulusevski created two chances for his team mates, one an absolute sitter, and worked incredibly hard & showed glimpses of skill. Also he had more key passes than any other player in our team, in a grand total of 22 minutes. However, I didn't see any of the above you were talking about, I still saw people criticising his pace etc etc.

I stand by what I said, the comments in here towards a new 21 year old signing who has played a whole 36 minutes of football for us are totally and utterly pathetic.

Honestly, some of you should be the best scouts in world football if you know that after half an hour a player is going to be good or not. Go to Levy now, he will pay you £2m a year for that incredible eye for talent.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Well here is a case of "selective memory". Sonny was totally ineffective in his first season and Modric was only ok.

You say Juve fans are celebrating getting rid of him, however I have seen hundreds of posts of the exact opposite.

So here is a question, did you watch the Brighton game where Kulusevski created two chances for his team mates, one an absolute sitter, and worked incredibly hard & showed glimpses of skill. Also he had more key passes than any other player in our team, in a grand total of 22 minutes. However, I didn't see any of the above you were talking about, I still saw people criticising his pace etc etc.

I stand by what I said, the comments in here towards a new 21 year old signing who has played a whole 36 minutes of football for us are totally and utterly pathetic.

Honestly, some of you should be the best scouts in world football if you know that after half an hour a player is going to be good or not. Go to Levy now, he will pay you £2m a year for that incredible eye for talent.

you're in a thread literally about discussing a player, what do yo expect?

Also, Juve fans happy he left, the ones that are sad to see him go are like the people in here sad that Dele went because he was good a few seasons back. Juve basically forcing us to make the loan an obligation to buy at the same price they bought him for.

 

[Capocrimini]

you're in a thread literally about discussing a player, what do yo expect?

Also, Juve fans happy he left, the ones that are sad to see him go are like the people in here sad that Dele went because he was good a few seasons back. Juve basically forcing us to make the loan an obligation to buy at the same price they bought him for.

Kulu is 21 and hasn't exactly had a bad season, might have been on course for one this season. I don't think it is comparable to the Dele situation.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Kulu is 21 and hasn't exactly had a bad season, might have been on course for one this season. I don't think it is comparable to the Dele situation.

At this point in time he is living off his 2019/20 loan spell at Parma. He has been a failure at Juventus you cannot tell me otherwise.

 

[ilikeost]

you're in a thread literally about discussing a player, what do yo expect?

Also, Juve fans happy he left, the ones that are sad to see him go are like the people in here sad that Dele went because he was good a few seasons back. Juve basically forcing us to make the loan an obligation to buy at the same price they bought him for.

Who gives a shit about what some braindead Juve fans on twitter has to say about anything? They were celebrating the "miracle" that anyone would pay money for Bentancur, and he looks class.

 

[Danny1]

you're in a thread literally about discussing a player, what do yo expect?

Also, Juve fans happy he left, the ones that are sad to see him go are like the people in here sad that Dele went because he was good a few seasons back. Juve basically forcing us to make the loan an obligation to buy at the same price they bought him for.

I expect our fans to give a young kid time to show if he is good enough or not. I'm not expecting to see our fans saying a kid is shit after 36 minutes of football for us.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Who gives a shit about what some braindead Juve fans on twitter has to say about anything? They were celebrating the "miracle" that anyone would pay money for Bentancur, and he looks class.

Who cares what fans think about their own players? I’d say a majority of a fan base know their players better than any other fan base on football…

 

[Ghost Hardware]

you have to give the kid time. I'm super critical of him but there is no doubt he gets time.

you also have to understand the comments on him being good enough come off the back of two average seasons at Juve where the fans and club wanted him gone. it's not hard to see both sides.

I agree. Problem is i think a lot of people are criticising him purely from only seeing him play 20 odd mins of football for us. I'm like you and have major doubts about him, but thats from seeing him in Italy for three seasons. But even tho I have my doubts i'm most certainly not writing him off yet and i also truly hope he proves all the doubters, myself included, wrong.

TBH i feel like it was way to early to judge Gil so by the same measuring stick we at least need to give Kulu half a season and more then 15 mins of substitute football a match before coming to any sort of conclusion regarding his talent and potential.