Player Watch Player Watch: Dejan Kulusevski

[Trotter]

Way to early to dismiss Kulu, not yet learnt how to spell his name.
The amount of people jumping to in the main pre-determined conclusions about him just shows how pathetic modern supporter bases are. Highlight all the negatives in 36 mins, ignore all the positives.
with the same people probably saying Bentacur is the next messiah and how great he was, despite us being in the most control of the game when he came on, him not add anything to the solidity of the midfield and being directly responsible for their equaliser, but in his case negatives are ignored, and because he is not Danish or Winks his positives are over-accentuated.

Basically 2 players, both altready look to have some positives and some negatives, and in the market we are playing in, and the frantic approach to transfer window that is probably what you would expect, but neither can be judged for good month yet.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Way to early to dismiss Kulu, not yet learnt how to spell his name.
The amount of people jumping to in the main pre-determined conclusions about him just shows how pathetic modern supporter bases are. Highlight all the negatives in 36 mins, ignore all the positives.
with the same people probably saying Bentacur is the next messiah and how great he was, despite us being in the most control of the game when he came on, him not add anything to the solidity of the midfield and being directly responsible for their equaliser, but in his case negatives are ignored, and because he is not Danish or Winks his positives are over-accentuated.

Basically 2 players, both altready look to have some positives and some negatives, and in the market we are playing in, and the frantic approach to transfer window that is probably what you would expect, but neither can be judged for good month yet.

Agree it's too early to judge Kulusevski but this bolded part is nonsense. When Bentancur came on it was 1-1. He immediately improved us in midfield, it was blindingly obvious. We then took control and 10 minutes later got ourselves in front. You say directly responsible for their equaliser? I say indirect, a small part of a team wide issue we had dealing with their second and third goals. For example, Kulusevski let his man go and he ended up scoring. Emerson and Sanchez being incredibly passive in the box and not attacking the ball. Or Son not getting himself in to a position to support Reguilon and Bentancur, etc.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Literally played half his career at CM.

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I don't think that is correct, he played as a 10 for Parma and Atlanta and predominantly as an inverted RW for Juve or up front in a 2 at times as a Second Striker, if they class n.o10 as CM then the website needs updating.

Conte also has said he sees him as a n.o10 or wing-back...

 

[Univarn]

The thing that get's me is there were certain posters(that could easily be named) throughout the Jose and Nuno era, that said all they wanted was our identity back. They wanted to see us pass forward and see high scoring games again even if it meant losing 4-3 it was better than losing 1-0 just playing defensively.....



..........They lied.

What they meant is we had to do it every single game, and if we lost they'd still lose their shit

I was one of those people. Not afraid to admit and I mean it. Yesterday even at 3-2 down I still believed we could draw or win it. At 2-1 even under durress I had faith we could hold on to win it. Neither happened even though both almost did. Both of those are feelings I never had during Jose ball and are irreplaceable to the experience of enjoying Spurs in my opinion. It's the difference between believing your side can win it and fearing your side will lose it, I will always enjoy Spurs more with belief over fear and Conte has helped reinstate that belief much quicker than I anticipated.

Kulu is going to need more time to adjust to the league and I think we'll need to give him that but I think if Conte needs him to immediately be a late game control sub we might be on short term trouble. He seems more than Bentancur to be unsure of his role in the side at the moment but I forget he's also much younger than RB. The 2nd goal I blame him for letting Emerson get double teamed and dropping his man to ball watch. The 3rd I haven't watched back but our whole defense and midfield seemed lost on the same pattern of play. Props to Southampton and RH for picking up on the weakness of this system and these players in this system and exploiting it.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

The thing that get's me is there were certain posters(that could easily be named) throughout the Jose and Nuno era, that said all they wanted was our identity back. They wanted to see us pass forward and see high scoring games again even if it meant losing 4-3 it was better than losing 1-0 just playing defensively.....



..........They lied.

What they meant is we had to do it every single game, and if we lost they'd still lose their shit

Quite true although to play devils advocate on that point I don't think Conteball is the type or style of football that the fans wanted to be fair, the high scoring games yes but sitting back for the majority of games and counter-attacking no so I do get if there are some who are a bit frustrated at that.

Personally I think everything needs to have a balanced view. I always said that if we can get Conte then I don't really care about the style of play as he is THAT good that given time and patience and backing, he will likely get us back to where we want to be and the football will be perfectly watchable. If we couldn't get Conte (genuine top 5 world class manager) then I'd have rather seen a Potter project type manager come in who'd see us play possession based high pressing football but I've not complained about Conte one bit as I'm completely over the moon that we have him and Paratici in and love the plan they're putting together.

But I agree some fans do have double standards and just lose their shit all the time and I and I think you and others also fine that tiring and frustrating to read and listen to especially when it floods threads so you can't have a constructive conversation.

 

[Dillspur]

I don't think that is correct, he played as a 10 for Parma and Atlanta and predominantly as an inverted RW for Juve or up front in a 2 at times as a Second Striker, if they class n.o10 as CM then the website needs updating.

Conte also has said he sees him as a n.o10 or wing-back...

I would seriously have to question Conte if he sees him as a wing back. He can get away with a lack of pace as a 10, but not as a WB

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I was one of those people. Not afraid to admit and I mean it. Yesterday even at 3-2 down I still believed we could draw or win it. At 2-1 even under durress I had faith we could hold on to win it. Neither happened even though both almost did. Both of those are feelings I never had during Jose ball and are irreplaceable to the experience of enjoying Spurs in my opinion. It's the difference between believing your side can win it and fearing your side will lose it, I will always enjoy Spurs more with belief over fear and Conte has helped reinstate that belief much quicker than I anticipated.

Kulu is going to need more time to adjust to the league and I think we'll need to give him that but I think if Conte needs him to immediately be a late game control sub we might be on short term trouble. He seems more than Bentancur to be unsure of his role in the side at the moment but I forget he's also much younger than RB. The 2nd goal I blame him for letting Emerson get double teamed and dropping his man to ball watch. The 3rd I haven't watched back but our whole defense and midfield seemed lost on the same pattern of play. Props to Southampton and RH for picking up on the weakness of this system and these players in this system and exploiting it.

Love this mate and great point about the belief that is certainly back whereby any game and any scoreline (aside from vs Chelsea who seem to have our number at the moment) I believe until the final whistle that we can get something from the game and that makes me proud to watch and support our club again.

The football and results will get better and better the longer Conte is here and the more transfer windows he has to shape the squad to his needs.

It reminds me a bit of Klopp at Liverpool, from match 1 you could see a clear plan but over and over his players let him down (Karius, Lovern etc) and once he slowly shaped his team with likes of Mane, Winjaldum, Robertson and then of course Allison and Van Dijk that is when the Liverpool machine really came to the fore.

Anyways this has gone very off-topic as this is the Kulu thread so brigning this back to Kulu the point is that we need to give the players time to adapt to the league and to Conte before we judge. Way way to early to be judging Kulu.

 

[G Ron]

Moura made amazing reverse pass to hojberg who slid bednarek in?

And assisted Son with a decent cut-back

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I would seriously have to question Conte if he sees him as a wing back. He can get away with a lack of pace as a 10, but not as a WB

He is faster than he looks but I think the idea would be in games we are dominating where we pin teams back like we did to Watford for example and Emerson got the run of their right side, that is when he'd use him as a RWB as something different to attack with, otherwise he will primarily be used as a '10' as Conte calls it which in reality is an inside right forward in the 3-4-3.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Literally played half his career at CM.

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Same site says Emerson plays Right Midfield for us lol wouldn't trust it as far as I can throw it.

CM is not CAM and RM is not RWB.

 

[Delboy75]

Do you really think there’s that much difference between playing as a 10 and playing as the more attacking CM in a pairing ? I mean it’s literally what Eriksen Dele Ndombele Lo celso did ( all be it not brilliantly) in their Spurs career. I’d personally much rather have a blend in that 2 than 2 players like Hojbjerg/Winks. But if a player has enough technical ability to play as 10 then he usually will do as well as a CAM. Tbh it seems much more logical than a RWB and as said hard to imagine he could have less technical ability or be less comfortable than Hojbjerg. With the added bonus he has an eye for goal.

 

[HildoSpur]

Do you really think there’s that much difference between playing as a 10 and playing as the more attacking CM in a pairing ? I mean it’s literally what Eriksen Dele Ndombele Lo celso did ( all be it not brilliantly) in their Spurs career. I’d personally much rather have a blend in that 2 than 2 players like Hojbjerg/Winks. But if a player has enough technical ability to play as 10 then he usually will do as well as a CAM. Tbh it seems much more logical than a RWB and as said hard to imagine he could have less technical ability or be less comfortable than Hojbjerg. With the added bonus he has an eye for goal.

I's hazard a guess that they are two quite different positions.

 

[Delboy75]

I's hazard a guess that they are two quite different positions.

But numerous players in history play in a midfield 2 and as a 10. It’s how Dele broke into the team in a 2 with Dier. I mean there’s numerous players doing it right now in the league.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

It's an obligation that is only triggered if certain criteria are met including number of appearances. If he's not good enough and doesn't play he goes back after 18 months. If we pay the money you are talking about it's because he's playing, and doing a job for us. We've been forced into nothing.

Exactly, that’s why I’m okay with the deal. I’m saying there is a reason why Juve were trying to push for the move to be a straight obligation to buy

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Do you really think there’s that much difference between playing as a 10 and playing as the more attacking CM in a pairing ? I mean it’s literally what Eriksen Dele Ndombele Lo celso did ( all be it not brilliantly) in their Spurs career. I’d personally much rather have a blend in that 2 than 2 players like Hojbjerg/Winks. But if a player has enough technical ability to play as 10 then he usually will do as well as a CAM. Tbh it seems much more logical than a RWB and as said hard to imagine he could have less technical ability or be less comfortable than Hojbjerg. With the added bonus he has an eye for goal.

Yes imo there is a big difference especially in a midfield 4 compared to e.g. a 4-2-3-1.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

I can only laugh if you seriously think Twitter is representative of the majority.

Who mentioned Twitter?

 

[ilikeost]

Who mentioned Twitter?

Read our exchange and find out.

 

[beats1]

Actually, I'd critique the modern "fan" that ignores what is right in front of them in the blind, irrational hope that something will change just because he plays for their own football team.

If he'd come on and terrorised the Southampton defence, scored a couple of goals and shown some unique flair and technical skill then do you think people would be writing "wait and see - he needs time to prove he's consistent, remember how good Mido was on his debut". No, everyone would be going nuts and rightly so. So why not the other way around?

We heard the same old "give him time" stuff about Postiga, Chiriches, Paulinho and well...literally every other flop signing we've ever made. I'm all for giving young players coming to a new country some time to adapt - but I expect to see flashes of brilliance like we saw from Son, Modric, Berbatov, Eriksen etc in their early struggles. Last two games I've seen exactly what Juve fans described when celebrating getting rid of him - you could say we got exactly what it said on the tin.

Maybe he'll prove people wrong. I hope he does. He has time to do so. But...not impressed at all so far.

Paulinho was brilliant in his first 3 or 4 games it went downhill from there

 

[beats1]

I personally think that as a club we have become toxic, these players have come to a new country, they can't go out too much due to covid(changing now) and trying to adapt

Meanwhile their mentions on their phone, which they are spending a lot more time on, due to being home, is constantly about how shit they are

We have become ARSENAL

He might be shit but saying it on twitter, isn't going to help anyone and will make things worse for the player

That said he was at fault for the second goal, he had to track the run or tell Emerson to push up

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Read our exchange and find out.

And I’m saying it’s not just the Twitter fans saying it