Player Watch Player Watch: Destiny Udogie

[McFlash]

It’s not about offence mate, if people stereotype a demographic via a certain lens they cannot see positive traits outside that stereotype. For example why do you think so many black players who played in the same generation with Lampard and Gerrard aren’t in a management? Do you think out of the hundreds that played in the top 2 flights that none of them were good enough to get a first team job?
see that is when stereotypes actually affect real life.
secondly again commenting on stereotypes of Black people, specifically black women that have been perpetuated possibly even meant to be seen as compliments or left over from past negative overt racism. Black women are apparently seen as more hardy and pain resistant than other women and are often subconsciously given less pain medication during Labour and childbirth. Then if you look at childbirth mortality rates between black women and white British in this country it’s 5x more for black women I believe. This is when stereotypes that don’t come from overt racism seriously affect you. Yes this perpetuating of beast may be a compliment but it also means that perhaps someone who’s not a spurs fan may not see Udogie through the lens we see him through, but it can also mean that pundits, managers etc also can incorrectly subconsciously have the view that he lacks intelligence and leadership and can not be captain material. Them on the flip side again the dark undercurrent of stereotypes on black physicality is the high mortality rate of black women in childbirth and that is to me a serious racist issue.
happy to take this elsewhere on general if anyone wants to?

Now you're just going off on a weird tangent.
The comment wasn't meant to have racist connotations, nor does it have to most people who use it.
Stop looking for things that aren't there.

 

[Brian]

Can we just substitute the word 'monster' for 'beast'?
Or am I hopelessly out of touch?

 

[littlewilly]

I'm not even sure this is a case of institutional racism if I'm honest. As I've said in previous posts I think younger people are throwing this term around all over the place to describe any player regardless of colour that is tearing it up..... "He's a beast" or "beast mode". As I have said in previous posts, words like people evolve and what they meant 30 years ago just don't mean the same thing to younger generations, just remember how "bad" meant "good" in the 80's. I'd be generally interested to know what other young black people think of this and how they see the word because from what my son tells me they all use this word to describe each other when they have good games and his team is a mix of ethnicities. I do wonder if this isn't an age thing as much as it is a race thing.

The issue for me is that I believe that a minority of black people will be offended by the term, therefore I don't use it. It's not hard to put aside words or phrases that you believe could be offensive to some people. The English language is wonderful and has lots of choices.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Udogie’s game against England also demonstrated what a quick learner he is. As his role in the Italian lineup was different to Spurs. He adapted well. I remember seeing him get turned by Foden and received a yellow card. He adjusted quickly and kept Foden pretty quiet.

To me, that’s one of the most impressive traits I see from him, is this natural ability to adapt and learn very quickly. He must be a coach’s dream. Also scary to consider at his rate of improvement, how far up is his ceiling? I would not be surprised if he is one of the best left backs in the world by the time he’s 22.

 

[punkisback]

Now you're just going off on a weird tangent.
The comment wasn't meant to have racist connotations, nor does it have to most people who use it.
Stop looking for things that aren't there.

Racism isn’t Just saying the n word or actively not likeing someone and treating them differently. As I said differentiate between overt being offensives and false stereotypes based on preconceived beliefs perpetuated which DOES NOT MAKE YOU A BAD PERSON. It just means that people cannot be appreciated in terms of sports and people may be treated differently in a negative manner with even the best of intentions without intending offence.

 

[Montalbano]

Christ this is ridiculous. Can this please move to another thread??

 

[Col_M]

Udogie’s game against England also demonstrated what a quick learner he is. As his role in the Italian lineup was different to Spurs. He adapted well. I remember seeing him get turned by Foden and received a yellow card. He adjusted quickly and kept Foden pretty quiet.

To me, that’s one of the most impressive traits I see from him, is this natural ability to adapt and learn very quickly. He must be a coach’s dream. Also scary to consider at his rate of improvement, how far up is his ceiling? I would not be surprised if he is one of the best left backs in the world by the time he’s 22.

I personally felt he was weak in the Rashford goal. Could have done a lot more in an attempt to block the shot.

 

[philll]

Now you're just going off on a weird tangent.
The comment wasn't meant to have racist connotations, nor does it have to most people who use it.
Stop looking for things that aren't there.

So on the one hand, you acknowledge that it does have racist connotations for some but on the other, get over it.

 

[GuytheGorilla]

Can anyone tell me where we are discussing the current crisis in the Middle East? I've checked the Romero, Sonny and a few other players threads but can't find it.

 

[Wig]

Can anyone tell me where we are discussing the current crisis in the Middle East? I've checked the Romero, Sonny and a few other players threads but can't find it.

From what I understand it can be such a toxic debate, it's not something that's allowed to be discussed on SC

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Can anyone tell me where we are discussing the current crisis in the Middle East? I've checked the Romero, Sonny and a few other players threads but can't find it.

why are you checking the player threads for such discussions?

 

[philll]

I personally felt he was weak in the Rashford goal. Could have done a lot more in an attempt to block the shot.

The most generous explanation I can think of is that he thought Rashford was taking the shot a step earlier and he stuck a leg out to block it and was then completely out of the picture when Rashford took another step.

 

[philll]

From what I understand it can be such a toxic debate, it's not something that's allowed to be discussed on SC

why are you checking the player threads for such discussions?

He's taking the piss because there's been a discussion in this thread about something completely unrelated to Destiny (specifically) for the last 3 or 4 days.

 

[PCozzie]

The most generous explanation I can think of is that he thought Rashford was taking the shot a step earlier and he stuck a leg out to block it and was then completely out of the picture when Rashford took another step.

Yeh I think all three of the defenders were dragged to Rashford's left by Bellingham's run. Udogie managed to stop enough to get a block in for when Rashford feigned to hit it, but given Udogie's momentum hed never have been able to reverse up enough after Rashford took it on another stride. It was just good forward play and I'm not sure there's much blame to pin on Udogie there.

 

[gazzeh]

Udogie’s game against England also demonstrated what a quick learner he is. As his role in the Italian lineup was different to Spurs. He adapted well. I remember seeing him get turned by Foden and received a yellow card. He adjusted quickly and kept Foden pretty quiet.

To me, that’s one of the most impressive traits I see from him, is this natural ability to adapt and learn very quickly. He must be a coach’s dream. Also scary to consider at his rate of improvement, how far up is his ceiling? I would not be surprised if he is one of the best left backs in the world by the time he’s 22.

Good points all round, he was sold VERY short with that pass though.

 

[McFlash]

So on the one hand, you acknowledge that it does have racist connotations for some but on the other, get over it.

I tried to stay away from this whole subject but it got the better of me in the end.
So the last thing I'm going to say is that no, I don't believe that it has any racist connotations whatsoever.

People can find problems where there aren't any and if that's how they go about life, so be it.
I'm not going to live my life tippy-toeing around everything and anything just because some sensitive soul may feel the need to be offended by something when there was no intention to offend.

If that makes me an arsehole in some people's eyes, well, I reckon I can live with that, especially on the bloody internet.

 

[Yantino]

Came in here to talk about Destiny.

 

[Col_M]

 

[punkisback]

I tried to stay away from this whole subject but it got the better of me in the end.
So the last thing I'm going to say is that no, I don't believe that it has any racist connotations whatsoever.

People can find problems where there aren't any and if that's how they go about life, so be it.
I'm not going to live my life tippy-toeing around everything and anything just because some sensitive soul may feel the need to be offended by something when there was no intention to offend.

If that makes me an arsehole in some people's eyes, well, I reckon I can live with that, especially on the bloody internet.

Appreciate your point of view and I know you are not doing anything offensive. some people have been very goading about it though. Oh well. At least we can say we have a potential world class talent on our hands.

 

[Danny1]

Basically I think Destiny is absolutely class.
Easily going to be one the best LBs in the world if he continues to develop.
Agility is top notch.
Sensational ball control amongst many other things.
Tottenham have one hell of a player.