Player Watch - Djed Spence - Genoa

[Mr Pink]

Phillips is absolute quality.

 

[sausage]

Hmmm seems like someone that’s very happy with Forest and would probably jump at the chance to stay

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Actually, it could go either way - he's either very clever and it's a subtle hint, or his grammar is a little off...

 

[Johno1470]

You make your assessment on Spence based on stats not having seen him play, so good on you. I make my assessment based on what I see with my eyes watching him play. I would have no problems what so ever signing him. I think a lot of you look for reasons not to sign him, I look for reasons to sign him.

Like I said, I’m not looking for a reason not to sign him. I’m looking at it objectively and using available data to do so. Especially considering he has played in a far inferior league in terms of quality too. There will be better options to pursue but our budget can only go so far. He’d be wiser signing for Forest and getting exposure to proper game time IMO but if Conte wants him as number one, I’ll trust the process.

 

[Enzo]

Hmmm seems like someone that’s very happy with Forest and would probably jump at the chance to stay

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Does no harm (considering the grief he's got for 'bad' attitude, being cocky etc.) to show a genuine affection and loyalty for a team that showed belief in him and raised his profile and value.

He has masses of self-belief, great athletic fundamentals, but very raw. I just don't see him being bought to then be loaned out under Conte.

 

[DogsOfWar]

I like him, pacy and direct, the opposite of Doherty.
With Kulu in front of him it would be good to have someone charging outside him.
I'm also a fan of the one experienced/one young player combo where theres a senior player who can provide an example and help coach a younger one. It will help Conte get his message across when there's someone there to lead by example.

 

[Wogan92]

I like him, pacy and direct, the opposite of Doherty.
With Kulu in front of him it would be good to have someone charging outside him.
I'm also a fan of the one experienced/one young player combo where theres a senior player who can provide an example and help coach a younger one. It will help Conte get his message across when there's someone there to lead by example.

I agree, and in fairness it seems like even when Doherty was out of favour he just got his head down and got on with it, worked hard and forced his way back into Conte's plans. Seems like a pretty good role model to me!

 

[Aphex]

I mean, that's not great is it. Is this guys final ball that good or is it just because he's fast that people are excited? Emerson's final ball is woeful, so if he's not even as good as that, it's worrying.

I know it's not the be all and end all, I'd be keen to see how he compares with the likes of Reece James and TAA.

 

[Wogan92]

I mean, that's not great is it. Is this guys final ball that good or is it just because he's fast that people are excited? Emerson's final ball is woeful, so if he's not even as good as that, it's worrying.

I guess these stats need to be taken in context. If Spence has put in three times as many crosses as the other two, but still has a similar accuracy then it's a worse stat than if he has put in half as many?

I have not idea if what I have just said makes any sense, but hopefully someone gets where I'm coming from.

 

[Aphex]

I guess these stats need to be taken in context. If Spence has put in three times as many crosses as the other two, but still has a similar accuracy then it's a worse stat than if he has put in half as many?

I have not idea if what I have just said makes any sense, but hopefully someone gets where I'm coming from.

I get what you're saying, but also, he could very well not be putting in as many crosses.

 

[Trix]

I mean, that's not great is it. Is this guys final ball that good or is it just because he's fast that people are excited? Emerson's final ball is woeful, so if he's not even as good as that, it's worrying.

I know it's not the be all and end all, I'd be keen to see how he compares with the likes of Reece James and TAA.

SC has always had a contingent that come across like pace is the be all and end all stat wise.

 

[luRRka]

Or spurs strikers have better movement than forest players so get found easier thus making it accurate/successful

 

[Wogan92]

I get what you're saying, but also, he could very well not be putting in as many crosses.

True. I know he would probably be expensive (based on reports of an asking price) but Carrasco wouldn't be a bad shout at RWB. It would be similar to the Perisic deal in that he could cover a forward position as well if need be.

 

[Wogan92]

Or spurs strikers have better movement than forest players so get found easier thus making it accurate/successful

That's true I guess. If he has a similar cross accuracy to Emerson and Doherty, but with Championship forwards you would hope his accuracy would improve with better forward players?

 

[Aphex]

SC has always had a contingent that come across like pace is the be all and end all stat wise.

Explains the obsession with Traore we had last summer also.

 

[Trix]

I get what you're saying, but also, he could very well not be putting in as many crosses.

And if he isn't what is he doing that people are so excited about?

2 goals and 5 assists in 3622 minutes 9% goal involvement. Isiah Jones 1 goal 9 assists in 3274minutes 17% goal involvement.

Not to mention Jones looks better imo as far as the the eye test is concerned.

Just don't get the hype for Spence.

 

[barry]

Does anyone know how they measure crossing accuracy? It seems like a hard stat to quantify

 

[skiba]

I mean, that's not great is it. Is this guys final ball that good or is it just because he's fast that people are excited? Emerson's final ball is woeful, so if he's not even as good as that, it's worrying.

I know it's not the be all and end all, I'd be keen to see how he compares with the likes of Reece James and TAA.

Just looked on the PL website and both TAA and Reece James are at 24%. Trippier is at 26%. Doherty is at 22% so not sure where this guys stats are from. I think crossing accuracy is a pretty flawed statistic tbh. depending on where the player is crossing from It's often about putting the ball into dangerous areas for players to attack as well as picking out teammates.

Edit: stats above are over their whole PL careers.

21/22 is Trippier: 43%, TAA: 30%, James 22% and Doherty 30%

 

[Timberwolf]

Just looked on the PL website and both TAA and Reece James are at 24%. Trippier is at 26%. Doherty is at 22% so not sure where this guys stats are from. I think crossing accuracy is a pretty flawed statistic tbh. depending on where the player is crossing from It's often about putting the ball into dangerous areas for players to attack as well as picking out teammates.

Yeah I think it's very situational.

It's hard for anyone to pick someone out in the box against a settled defence so that naturally skews against players who play for dominant teams. TAA is a world class crosser of the ball, but when he's aiming at 3 quite short guys against a team that is sat with 10 men behind the ball, what do you expect?

My main issue with Royal is that he fucks up simple crosses that could easily lead to goals. There are plenty of occasions when we're on the break and have men in space in the box and he completely overhits it or misplaces it. Messing up that type of cross is huge as it's a potential clear goal scoring opportunity but it gets buried in the stats. TAA pulls of those types of crosses almost every time but how would you tell if you simply look at 'crossing accuracy' as a percentage?

In comparison, when you make 10 crosses into a crowded box full of 6'3" centre backs and CDMs who are set, of course they're going to get cleared almost every time.

 

[barry]

SC has always had a contingent that come across like pace is the be all and end all stat wise.

It's not the be all and end all but it's a hell of an attribute, especially for a WB. Any defender will tell you playing against raw pace isn't comfortable

 

[Trix]

It's not the be all and end all but it's a hell of an attribute, especially for a WB. Any defender will tell you playing against raw pace isn't comfortable

They'll also tell you if there is little end product that job becomes a lot easier.