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Player Watch: Emerson Royal

HedgieSpur

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Sorry but just don’t agree at all that he ‘completely lacks any technical ability, technique or skill’, I’ve seen him bring the ball down out of the air with lovely touch and technique many times.

His passing is fine and his touch is good and his dribbling is ok.

The issue is really simple as said before that he is NOT a RWB! He’s never played in that position until this season. He is/was a fairly defensive right back. It’s like buying prime Gary Neville (a RIGHT BACK) and wondering why when you play him RWB is he underwhelming.

Im not saying he’s the best signing ever by any means but for me a lot on here criticising him don’t quite understand that RB and RWB are very different positions which require different skillsets.

Emerson is for now the best option we have at RWB, he’s 23 and can improve but conte is no idiot and he will know that Emerson at RWB is not the answer if we want to win things so we will for sure look to upgrade in summer.

Im half Brazilian and Ive seen quite a bit of him. My cousins were incredulous when we signed him, telling me that he was completely unsuited to the PL. I told them that they were wrong.......me and my big mouth...
 

HedgieSpur

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A lot of dross has come out of Brazil over the last 30 years.

Average or poor players have the label 'Brazilian' attached to them and their value and mystique increases.

But they're basically Jonjo Shelvey or Chris Wood with an exotic sounding name :LOL:

And I'm pretty sure the Brazilian national team compound this problem by handing out international caps like smarties.

Its actually a bit deeper than that. International caps are being given to very average players simply because they play in Europe. So many technically superior players are being overlooked because they play in Brasil.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I disagree with this.

The only difference between RB and RWB, in terms of skillsets, is a player's positioning in relation to the team formation and game plan.

Professional footballers are expected to be able to understand where a manager wants them on a pitch and who to mark, depending on the manager's tactics.

So even this difference shouldn't be all that unusual for a player.
I’ve coached and played at a paid level I’m telling you RB and RWB are very different positions.
 

Ron Burgundy

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Jun 19, 2008
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He may be better than Doherty defensively but that is all. Barca must be laughing at us.
They must be pissing themselves

Yet again, we have wasted serious money on a genuinely bad player

The whole "he needs time, it's a new country" thing is fine, if you could see signs of promise.

Honestly, I don't see any redeeming quality. The best he can offer is good stamina and presence. All other aspects of his game are wanting. He can't head, he gets beaten way too easily one on one, he's clumsy, lacks balance and poise, he has the turning arc of a battle ship, his touch is poor, his crossing is dreadful, his short passing is average, his long passing is non-existent, his positioning is diabolical. Please tell me any of that is wrong.

I'll go out on a limb: he will NEVER make it as a good premiership RB, let alone RWB.
 

Rosco1984

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the fact I spent most of last night hoping MATT DOHERTY would come on says it all. Massive contributor to our inability to beat the press. In a back 5/3 the wingbacks need to be able to break down the line to ease the pressure.. he cant he can only pass back and inside which just invites even more pressure and Chelsea and Saints have both exploited that ruthlessly.
 

kent brockman

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Same mistake over and over again. Getting the manager appointment wrong, signing players for the manager and then sacking him in a short time.

Royal isn't a bad player, he is just being asked to do a role that he can't and never could do.

We need some stability.

He really is. Not only is he incapable on the ball or going forward, which excludes him from the RWB position. But he is also a liability defensively, so adds nothing at RCB either. SCBC clearly targeted him and Sanchez all game, and benefitted massively.

I am all for giving new players time. But more time will only help in terms of getting used to the high tempo of the PL. It will not help players (like Emerson) who simply do not have the skillset or technical ability to ever excel. Sad but true.
 

thebenjamin

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Jul 1, 2008
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Sorry but just don’t agree at all that he ‘completely lacks any technical ability, technique or skill’, I’ve seen him bring the ball down out of the air with lovely touch and technique many times.

His passing is fine and his touch is good and his dribbling is ok.

The issue is really simple as said before that he is NOT a RWB! He’s never played in that position until this season. He is/was a fairly defensive right back. It’s like buying prime Gary Neville (a RIGHT BACK) and wondering why when you play him RWB is he underwhelming.

Im not saying he’s the best signing ever by any means but for me a lot on here criticising him don’t quite understand that RB and RWB are very different positions which require different skillsets.

Emerson is for now the best option we have at RWB, he’s 23 and can improve but conte is no idiot and he will know that Emerson at RWB is not the answer if we want to win things so we will for sure look to upgrade in summer.

I agree to an extent, but his defending in an orthodox RB position is awful
 

kent brockman

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The issue is really simple as said before that he is NOT a RWB! He’s never played in that position until this season. He is/was a fairly defensive right back. It’s like buying prime Gary Neville (a RIGHT BACK) and wondering why when you play him RWB is he underwhelming.

Unlike Emerson, Neville could at least defend.
 

HildoSpur

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He is really struggling with the pace of the Premier League I think - he also looks like his confidence is totally shot. Maybe he can improve as he is still young and it's his first season here but we really could do with getting him out of the firing line a bit but unfortunately for us the back-up is possibly even worse.
 

spids

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The issue is really simple as said before that he is NOT a RWB! He’s never played in that position until this season.
I thought the same, but Conte said in the week that he played RWB a lot for Betis. Irrespective of that, he was clearly bought to be RWB in a fairly defensive Nuno-style 4-3-3. ITK suggests that the club have identified multiple RWBs for the summer and we have to wait.
 

ShelfWatcher

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For sure Emerson needs to be dropped with Sanchez, but let's remember not one of the back 5 played well.
Just hope Doherty and Dier/Rodon can steady the ship
 

rio bryan

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Some people calling for us to buy Lamptey but i wonder how he would have done if he was in Emerson's position for the goal's last night ?
 

Ghost Hardware

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I know he's only 22 and this is his first season with us but he should be put up for sale come summer. I was really hoping he would prove me wrong as i thought he looked completely average when watching him for Betis and wrote us much on here when he signed but unfortunately he is just an incredibly average footballer with no discernible talents. I'm sorry, I don't care if you play 4 at the back or 3 ,or 5, this was an appalling buy from Paratici and really not one that comes as a surprise if you had watched him at Betis. We are going to struggle to get our money back from this one but the sooner we sell him the better IMO, replace him and Doherty with Spence and ether Frimpong, Baku or Livramento.
 

ILS

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He is really struggling with the pace of the Premier League I think - he also looks like his confidence is totally shot. Maybe he can improve as he is still young and it's his first season here but we really could do with getting him out of the firing line a bit but unfortunately for us the back-up is possibly even worse.
How is he going to improve? He is three months younger then Trent and nearly 12 months older then Reece James.

All this he is young bollocks, I would get if his weakness was purely a defensive positional one but it's not. He so far behind the two names mentioned above from a technical perspective it's embarrassing. That is the level of player we should be aspiring to sign. They didn't just get their ability to be able to cross a ball over the last couple of years. They have worked at since they started playing football.

Emerson does not have it in his physical make up to deliver crosses like those two, so the age argument is bollocks. Also he needs time to adapt I keep hearing, which I also would get if the balls in Spain were a different shape to the ones in the Premier League.

There are only two Tottenham players I have seen in the last 20 years who were worse at connecting with a football then Emerson. One was Gomes and the other was Kasey Keller...both keepers!
 

St José Dominguez

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Some people calling for us to buy Lamptey but i wonder how he would have done if he was in Emerson's position for the goal's last night ?

Wouldn’t have made a blind bit of difference. Emerson was rubbish but wasn’t the reason Reguilon allowed two crosses to put in centrally, why Romero and Sanchez were allowing players with freedom in box. Our centre mids completely dominated. Son and Lucas coughing up possession poorly, regularly. Romero passing the ball back to Southampton putting more pressure on us. Sanchez in complete calamity mode at times. Conte putting on a forward just as we've gone ahead when we were clearly being dominated in the middle of the pitch the entire game.
 

ILS

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I thought Romero was quality.
He had quality moments but doesn't suit the central role within a three.

I think it was the second goal the whole back five were shifted across too much which left a massive gap and as the central and leader of the back three should have picked up on that.

That's is why Dier is best suited for the central role as due to having played in midfielder you are far more use to scanning your shoulder than someone who plays what's in front of them.
 
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