Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

[HedgieSpur]

Are we really digging Hugo out for not stopping a free kick that flashed through a crowded wall, and he got a hand to anyway?

Fucking hell, Spurs fans.

Sheesh...nobody is "digging him out". People are making the view/point that it was poor goalkeeping. Is that ok with you? Would ou like to write posts on behalf of us all?

 

[HedgieSpur]

I think hes in the "solid keeper" category. I was stood behind the goal yesterday and saw real-time how FURIOUS he was with himself. That tells me that he himself viewed it as savable.

I reckon weve got a good 3 or so seasons in him before thinking of changing him but its hardly a cardinal sin to point out as and when he makes mistakes...

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Love Lloris, not top 3 anymore in the league but in most stats he is up there with the likes of Mendy and Navas and both are great GKs.

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It's difficult to trust something that says Bravo is a "great shot stopper". During his time at Man City he was one of the worst shot stoppers in PL history.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

As a save I think that was a lot harder than it looked. But the wall probably wasn’t set up right which is down to him ultimately. A friend actually asked me do I think Liverpool would have had the success they’ve had if Hugo was their keeper and it definitely made me think.

It's not like Alisson never makes mistakes. I thought he was a liability during his first 1.5 seasons. It would be interesting to see how his stats would hold up if he moved to a team that spends far more time defending.

 

[Timberwolf]

It's not like Alisson never makes mistakes. I thought he was a liability during his first 1.5 seasons. It would be interesting to see how his stats would hold up if he moved to a team that spends far more time defending.

I don't think Alisson has ever been a liability.

He consistently drops about 2-3 memorable massive clangers per season but beyond that he's been absolutely brilliant IMO and is a huge reason why Liverpool have won what they've won. Unlike City, Liverpool concede quite a lot of chances and Alisson is so brilliant in 1v1 situations (see Watford's chance last weekend). He regularly keeps them in games they'd struggle in otherwise.

Amazing keeper.

Lloris is a top keeper and was once world class but is currently a notch below the likes of Alisson

 

[NEVILLEB]

Are we really digging Hugo out for not stopping a free kick that flashed through a crowded wall, and he got a hand to anyway?

Fucking hell, Spurs fans.

Oh come on that was easily saveable.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I don't think Alisson has ever been a liability.

He consistently drops about 2-3 memorable massive clangers per season but beyond that he's been absolutely brilliant IMO and is a huge reason why Liverpool have won what they've won. Unlike City, Liverpool concede quite a lot of chances and Alisson is so brilliant in 1v1 situations (see Watford's chance last weekend). He regularly keeps them in games they'd struggle in otherwise.

Amazing keeper.

Lloris is a top keeper and was once world class but is currently a notch below the likes of Alisson

I agree that Alisson is currently better than Lloris. Alisson's biggest strength is 1v1 situations, so that makes him ideal for Liverpool.

The point I was trying to make with my previous post is that all keepers make some mistakes, but Lloris' mistakes seem to get disproportionately more criticism than those of keepers at other 'big 6' clubs.

When Lloris first joined us, he got a lot of criticism for 'mistakes' in 1v1 situations, yet he had the best 1v1 stats of any GK in Europe. He conceded more goals from 1v1 situations than some but, due to our high press style of play, he faced far more 1v1 situations than most. He had >90% success rate in 1v1 situations at the time, which is ridiculously good.
A few years ago he got hammered by the media and SC every time he made a mistake (beaten at his near post, miss-kicked clearance etc.), with the suggestion that he wasn't good enough for us, but the criticism of him seemed to peak right in the middle of him have the best opta stats (xG faced vs. goals conceded) in the PL for two consecutive seasons. Essentially, he made multiple world-class saves for every error, yet there seemed to be a widely held view that he wasn't good enough for a top 4 team.

 

[Timberwolf]

I agree that Alisson is currently better than Lloris. Alisson's biggest strength is 1v1 situations, so that makes him ideal for Liverpool.

The point I was trying to make with my previous post is that all keepers make some mistakes, but Lloris' mistakes seem to get disproportionately more criticism than those of keepers at other 'big 6' clubs.

When Lloris first joined us, he got a lot of criticism for 'mistakes' in 1v1 situations, yet he had the best 1v1 stats of any GK in Europe. He conceded more goals from 1v1 situations than some but, due to our high press style of play, he faced far more 1v1 situations than most. He had >90% success rate in 1v1 situations at the time, which is ridiculously good.
A few years ago he got hammered by the media and SC every time he made a mistake (beaten at his near post, miss-kicked clearance etc.), with the suggestion that he wasn't good enough for us, but the criticism of him seemed to peak right in the middle of him have the best opta stats (xG faced vs. goals conceded) in the PL for two consecutive seasons. Essentially, he made multiple world-class saves for every error, yet there seemed to be a widely held view that he wasn't good enough for a top 4 team.

Yeah can't disagree with that.

I wonder if part of the reason was that the team wasn't in a brilliant place at the time and his mistakes were costing us points. Alisson gets away with it much more because Liverpool usally still comfortably win even if he gifts the opposition a goal.

He's also better with his feet and at passing out from the back, which is one of Lloris' weaknesses and leads to fans getting more annoyed at him when he's making mistakes.

Agree that Lloris has been a consistently brilliant shot-stopper and is probably still slightly underrated, though.

 

[ralvy]

Yeah can't disagree with that.

I wonder if part of the reason was that the team wasn't in a brilliant place at the time and his mistakes were costing us points. Alisson gets away with it much more because Liverpool usally still comfortably win even if he gifts the opposition a goal.

He's also better with his feet and at passing out from the back, which is one of Lloris' weaknesses and leads to fans getting more annoyed at him when he's making mistakes.

Agree that Lloris has been a consistently brilliant shot-stopper and is probably still slightly underrated, though.

Only slightly underrated? Yeah right.

A lot of supporters keep talking of him as if he was an error machine or something, yet he has amazing stats and goal stopping skills, and has captained France to both a World Cup title and a Eurocup final (and us to a CL final).

 

[Timberwolf]

Only slightly underrated? Yeah right.

A lot of supporters keep talking of him as if he was an error machine or something, yet he has amazing stats and goal stopping skills, and has captained France to both a World Cup title and a Eurocup final (and us to a CL final).

I feel like most (on SC at least) are positive about Lloris these days. The conversation around him is totally different to how it was 2-3 years ago.

 

[spids]

Are we really digging Hugo out for not stopping a free kick that flashed through a crowded wall, and he got a hand to anyway?

Fucking hell, Spurs fans.

It was extremely poor goal keeping, but luckily irrelevant to the result. Every keeper will make mistakes from time to time, and best to do it when you win 5-1. Lloris spent ages setting the wall up, and the ball did not go through the wall, rather to the side of the wall he was on (the Newcastle players moved out of the way), and it went right at Lloris on the side he was supposed to be protecting. He also got a good hand to it and did not keep it out. It was not as bad as the goals he almost threw in against Wolves, but he is not the reliable keeper some make him out to be. He is a world class shot stopper with great reflexes and saves us a lot of goals a season that other keepers would let in. However, he is weak on crosses, and very average with the ball at his feet. No need to upgrade as he is still a top keeper.

On a related note, why do we find it so hard to even hit the target from a free kick and yet other teams seem to get a decent effort on goal from a set piece every game?

And lastly, whilst talking about free kicks. I'd be interested to see a team not set up a wall at all (I think walls help a good free kick taker deceive the keeper). Just say to the attacker, go on then - free shot from 25 yards, see what you can do.

 

[wpmcg]

Apart from the actual mistakes he makes, he has us nervous at every free kick or corner because he doesn't command the 6 yard area even. He always tries to kick with his left foot which occasionally gets us in a mess and lose possession. I'm with Steve Perryman on this and have been for years, he shouldn't be an automatic first choice. His stats wouldn't show the errors that lose possession or the goals where he hasn't actually made a mistake. He's a good keeper I would say, top ten maybe in PL.

 

[Yiddo100]

It was only a couple months ago where everyone was in histerics that he hadn’t signed a new contract.
All players go through good and bad patches, just that goalies cost the team more when they’re in a bad patch ( I’d hardly call it a bad patch any.)

Hes been through rough patches before and always comes out stronger

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

As a save I think that was a lot harder than it looked. But the wall probably wasn’t set up right which is down to him ultimately. A friend actually asked me do I think Liverpool would have had the success they’ve had if Hugo was their keeper and it definitely made me think.

Tell your friend that Spurs would have destroyed Allison's career.

Thats how good Hugo Lloris is. Still the best keeper in the world.

 

[delawarespur]

Brilliant first half, some of the saves were mind blowing. He keeps proving again and again that he’s still got it. What a legend.

 

[SlotBadger]

Superb performance. We’ll ignore that last-minute yips.

 

[HildoSpur]

Fair play he really kept us in the match today after a shaky few matches

 

[JCRD]

MOTM for me - without his performance in that first half, we wouldnt have had the second half that we did

 

[Yiddo100]

Some of the slack he’s got in the last couple of games was ridiculous, the man is still world class

 

[Tucker]

World class. We are so lucky to have had him for the last decade.