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Player Watch: Kevin Wimmer

wiggo24

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Jan 5, 2013
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The Wimmer takes it all
He's better than Kaboul
We signed him from Cologne
Now WHL is his home

How about that?
 

Xeeleeyid

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Aug 4, 2012
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But that doesn't take into account the descendants of people who migrated from other countries.

E.g a huge number of people from Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow have Irish names:

Jamie Carragher
Steven Gerrard
Calum McManaman

Of course, but it's the same in any country. Germany has a large proportion of people with Polish names for example.

Doesn't change the fact that it's quite different to compare Austria & Germany with the countries that make up the UK. Austrians are German and their names are the same. The only reason Austria isn't part of the unified Germany is to do with the Prussian/Austrian political struggle.

On the other hand, the countries that make up the UK are from different ethnic and linguistic backgrounds. It's only in the last century that this has become less apparent. My dad is a vet and did locums in North Wales. There were farmers there that didn't even speak English and had to get their sons or daughters to translate. That was only 30 years ago.

The only reason Scotland isn't similar was because after the Jacobite uprising that was defeated at the battle of Culloden, there was a systematic campaign to anglicise Scotland, ban clan culture, the wearing of tartan and the speaking of Gaelic. The culture was deliberately repressed to the point of extinction and has only recently been revived. But very few people in Scotland speak Gaelic any more.
 

Imnotacticalgenius

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With Wimmer in, i think that covered the CB position (unless Vert is moving). Davies can also cover that position if we are in dire short of players (through injury). So basically Dier and Vert as partnership 1 and Fazio and Wimmer as partnership 2. Fazio and Vert as partners against certain team; as tactical means. This would create some time buffer to see whether M Veljkovic or Ball can make the step up in a year or 2 (CCV too), by which time if Jan decides to go, the club would be covered well.

So now the club can focus on 3 crucial positions. Especially CDM and WF. As these 2 positions are imperative for a more balance side, on match day.
 

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But that doesn't take into account the descendants of people who migrated from other countries.

E.g a huge number of people from Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow have Irish names:

Jamie Carragher
Steven Gerrard
Calum McManaman

I'm not sure how this list seemed destined to contain Liverpool legends, but you went for 'Calum' (the relatively unknown Wigan player) and ignored Steve.

Oh well!
 

whitelanefever

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Aug 21, 2012
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But that doesn't take into account the descendants of people who migrated from other countries.

E.g a huge number of people from Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow have Irish names:

Jamie Carragher
Steven Gerrard
Calum McManaman
Hate to break it to you but Carragher, Gerrard & McManaman are not Irish names
 

225

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I assumed McManaman was, but Gerrard I'm fairly certain is French is it not?

Gerrard is a British variation on Gerard, which is Germanic.

McManaman is supposed to be an Anglicised version of several Irish names, originating from mag giolla mheidre, which is celtic for something like 'Son of Merryman' (a merryman being a jester/joker).

As with stuff that's centuries old, there's plenty of arguments over whether Mcmanaman is an anglicised irish name, or an irish version of the english 'mcmanaman'. Because of the 'Mc', I'd say it's a celtic name and thus as above, but i'm not an expert!
 

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Hate to break it to you but Carragher, Gerrard & McManaman are not Irish names

Carragher is a rough celtic translation of Dear Man (in Celtic, MacFearchair), so it's either Scottish or Irish.
 
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