Player Watch: Kieran Trippier

[dtxspurs]

I'll full on strong disagree that we are better with Trips than Walker. That's pure crazy talk for me. The offense was much more dynamic with Rose and Walker vs Davies and Trippier. Trippier does have a great cross on him but for me thats about as much as he provides, he can't beat a man, he won't bomb down the field on the counter, doesn't have the recovery ability that Walker does nor the sheer strength that Walker provided. Walker for me is probably a top 3 RB in the world, don't think Tripps comes close to that.

So many people on here want to talk about pace, our fullbacks were what made us look slow this year. We only had one quick player on the field most of the time in Son. Last year we would have Son, Rose and Walker all on the pitch at the same time and it was tough for teams to handle. We went from one of the fastest teams in the league to one of the slower ones. Walker scared other teams on the flank, no opposing fullback is scared of playing against Kieran Trippier.

Think some of you should watch this video for a little refresher, look how many attacks started based off Walker using his athletic ability to get to a ball.

 

[Trix]

I'll full on strong disagree that we are better with Trips than Walker. That's pure crazy talk for me. The offense was much more dynamic with Rose and Walker vs Davies and Trippier. Trippier does have a great cross on him but for me thats about as much as he provides, he can't beat a man, he won't bomb down the field on the counter, doesn't have the recovery ability that Walker does nor the sheer strength that Walker provided. Walker for me is probably a top 3 RB in the world, don't think Tripps comes close to that.

So many people on here want to talk about pace, our fullbacks were what made us look slow this year. We only had one quick player on the field most of the time in Son. Last year we would have Son, Rose and Walker all on the pitch at the same time and it was tough for teams to handle. We went from one of the fastest teams in the league to one of the slower ones. Walker scared other teams on the flank, no opposing fullback is scared of playing against Kieran Trippier.

Think some of you should watch this video for a little refresher, look how many attacks started based off Walker using his athletic ability to get to a ball.

I will never accept pace over end product and technique. Never!

Lets also look at the fact our tactics changed quite a bit last season to the season before. We were far more high press and counter in 16/17 where as last season it was mostly about possession. Partly because far more teams sat back than they did the season before last. No point in the likes of Walker beating his man against two deep banks of 5 when he can't cross for shit. Pace only stretches teams that give you space to burst into, and last season there were not many games where that was even an option.

 

[dtxspurs]

I will never accept pace over end product and technique. Never!

Lets also look at the fact our tactics changed quite a bit last season to the season before. We were far more high press and counter in 16/17 where as last season it was mostly about possession. Partly because far more teams sat back than they did the season before last. No point in the likes of Walker beating his man against two deep banks of 5 when he can't cross for shit. Pace only stretches teams that give you space to burst into, and last season there were not many games where that was even an option.

You're acting like Walker was nothing but pace, that just flat out isn't true. In the last season here where they split time Walker had one less assist than Trippier but people act like no one else in the world can cross the ball. Crossing is the most basic form of attacking there is and not something we should hang our hat on. Plenty of teams parked the bus on us last year as well. We were the freaking highest scoring team in the league, you don't think other teams noticed that?

Additionally maybe we pressed more because we knew we had the players who could help us recover on the back end and run the pitch all day long?

 

[Trix]

You're acting like Walker was nothing but pace, that just flat out isn't true. In the last season here where they split time Walker had one less assist than Trippier but people act like no one else in the world can cross the ball. Crossing is the most basic form of attacking there is and not something we should hang our hat on. Plenty of teams parked the bus on us last year as well. We were the freaking highest scoring team in the league, you don't think other teams noticed that?

Additionally maybe we pressed more because we knew we had the players who could help us recover on the back end and run the pitch all day long?

Trips is far more than just a better crosser though, his pull backs are more intelligent and he plays more through balls as well. I base my opinion on watching them both but the key pass stats back this up completely. If you'd care to go back I have had this train of thought for a very long time regarding Walker, and was an avid campaigner for Trips to start in front of him since the start. You only have to look at our possession stats to see things have been getting more and more compact over the last 3 years or so.

Just looking at it stats wise as far as creativity

last season per 90 minutes.....

Key passes KT 1.73.....KW 0.71
Assists KT 0.25.....KW 0.19
Chances created KT 1.97.....KW 0.91

So there we go as an attacking threat KT was at least better last season

Perhaps though he doesn't play the same role at City which isn't fair so for 16-17 where as you say they shared the games in the same side.


Key passes KT 1.73.....KW 0.71
Assists KT 0.25.....KW 0.17
Chances created KT 1.97.....KW 1.30

He is more creative all around and that is a fact.

 

[Trix]

Forgetting all this Walker v Trips stuff for a minute....The one thing that has baffled me the most after watching him at the WC, is why the f*ck has he not been taking most of our set pieces and corners from the right hand side?????

 

[mattyspurs]

Forgetting all this Walker v Trips stuff for a minute....The one thing that has baffled me the most after watching him at the WC, is why the f*ck has he not been taking most of our set pieces and corners from the right hand side?????

Ha ha...my 9 year old said exactly the same thing on saturday!

 

[Cravenspurs]

Forgetting all this Walker v Trips stuff for a minute....The one thing that has baffled me the most after watching him at the WC, is why the f*ck has he not been taking most of our set pieces and corners from the right hand side?????

Add to that some very close free kicks. He has a cultured foot there is no doubt about that and I hope Poch is watching cause he has done more from the corner flag and set pieces in one tourney than Eriksen has all of last season.

 

[dtxspurs]

@Trix , I'll just tag you as to not quote the whole post. Maybe we just want different things from our fullbacks.

From that video you can see how many attacks were started from Walker stealing the ball and bursting forward. That won't show up on the stat sheet but that allowed us to create more opportunities. I'd still say most people get nervous when we line up against a Liverpool, Man City, Madrid and Dortmund this year when they see Trippier at fullback to deal with speed. That was never a thought that crossed my mind having Walker in the side.

At the end of the day debating which is better, to put it super simply is anyone paying 50mil for Kieran Trippier? Kyle Walker was the most expensive fullback of all time.. He's a f*cking incredible player.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

...I'd still say most people get nervous when we line up against a Liverpool, Man City, Madrid and Dortmund this year when they see Trippier at fullback to deal with speed. That was never a thought that crossed my mind having Walker in the side...

If you're trying to choose matches to support your contention, you're doing a pretty shit job! We beat Liverpool 4-1 and Trippier played very fine games against Madrid and Dortmund. Against Man City, he couldn't cope with Sané at all.

I think there's another issue that is being omitted from the discussion. Based on last season's early matches, I'm pretty sure Pochettino's intention was that our default formation would be to play 3 central defenders: Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Sanchez. That would have enabled Tripper to play in his superior role as a wing-back, where his slower pace would not create defensive problems. For attacking pace on the flanks, we could rely upon Rose on the left.

Then Alderweireld and Rose went down with long term injuries and Pochettino didn't have an experienced player to be the third central defender, so we spent the rest of the season playing four at the back, with two relatively slow fullbacks. That wasn't the plan when Walker was sold.

 

[fortworthspur]

I will never accept pace over end product and technique. Never!

Lets also look at the fact our tactics changed quite a bit last season to the season before. We were far more high press and counter in 16/17 where as last season it was mostly about possession. Partly because far more teams sat back than they did the season before last. No point in the likes of Walker beating his man against two deep banks of 5 when he can't cross for shit. Pace only stretches teams that give you space to burst into, and last season there were not many games where that was even an option.

its not just pace, its the fact that he never stops. he can cover the entire right third from endline to endline for 90 minutes and not lose a step. Ive never seen anyone that can cover so much space and free up others. And he also uses that pace to correct a lot of things others fuck up. he's a freakish athlete. there's a reason Pep bought him and not Trippier. There's a reason he's been in the PFA team of the season three times - selected by his peers.

 

[dtxspurs]

If you're trying to choose matches to support your contention,you're doing a pretty shit job! We beat Liverpool 4-1 and Trippier played very fine games against Madrid and Dortmund.

I think there's another issue that is being omitted from the discussion. Based on last season's early matches, I'm pretty sure Pochettino's intention was that our default formation would be to play 3 central defenders: Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Sanchez. That would have enabled Tripper to play in his superior role as a wing-back, where his slower pace would not create defensive problems. For attacking pace on the flanks, we could rely upon Rose on the left.

Then Alderweireld and Rose went down with long term injuries and Pochettino didn't have an experienced player to be the third central defender, so we spent the rest of the season playing four at the back, with two relatively slow fullbacks. That wasn't the plan when Walker was sold.

Not saying he was poor, just talking about a mentality amongst the fans. If we were going up against a team with dominant wingers I always felt comfortable with Walker in the side, I don't with Trippier. Also, I would argue that when they lineup at wingback you should have the quicker player. That spot is accountable for the entire width of the field and to essentially act as a winger on offense. Why not have pace on both sides of the field?

 

[Shadydan]

its not just pace, its the fact that he never stops. he can cover the entire right third from endline to endline for 90 minutes and not lose a step. Ive never seen anyone that can cover so much space and free up others. And he also uses that pace to correct a lot of things others fuck up. he's a freakish athlete. there's a reason Pep bought him and not Trippier. There's a reason he's been in the PFA team of the season three times - selected by his peers.

Not actually true, Pep plays walker as a RCB when attacking so if they lose the ball his biggest asset his recovery pace can get them out of trouble, comparing Trippier and Walker is like comparing apples and pears which is where this debate is breaking down I think.

 

[fortworthspur]

Not actually true, Pep plays walker as a RCB when attacking so if they lose the ball his biggest asset his recovery pace can get them out of trouble, comparing Trippier and Walker is like comparing apples and pears which is where this debate is breaking down I think.

whats not actually true? Pep didnt have a reason why he bought Walker?

I agree they are both fine players and different styles.

 

[Shadydan]

whats not actually true? Pep didnt have a reason why he bought Walker?

I agree they are both fine players and different styles.

I thought you were saying that Pep bought Walker over Trippier because he was better than him when the truth is that he planned to use Walker in a totally different role to what they both played at Spurs.

 

[fortworthspur]

I thought you were saying that Pep bought Walker over Trippier because he was better than him when the truth is that he planned to use Walker in a totally different role to what they both played at Spurs.

well Pep isnt here to add his 2 cents but yeah, he bought Walker because he thinks he's better. The other players in the league think he's better, too.

 

[Shadydan]

well Pep isnt here to add his 2 cents but yeah, he bought Walker because he thinks he's better. The other players in the league think he's better, too.

Yeah so like I said he bought Walker to fulfill a remit for his tactical setup not because he's a necessarily better full back, I really don't care about who's better or what players in the league think is better, I'm saying that you're using the Pep angle to reach for an argument that's patently false, it's desperate.

 

[dtxspurs]

Yeah so like I said he bought Walker to fulfill a remit for his tactical setup not because he's a necessarily better full back, I really don't care about who's better or what players in the league think is better, I'm saying that you're using the Pep angle to reach for an argument that's patently false, it's desperate.

Is anyone paying 50million for Kieran Trippier?

 

[Lilbaz]

Is anyone paying 50million for Kieran Trippier?

If he were sold how much would you want?

Walker and trippier are both very good players.

 

[fortworthspur]

Yeah so like I said he bought Walker to fulfill a remit for his tactical setup not because he's a necessarily better full back, I really don't care about who's better or what players in the league think is better, I'm saying that you're using the Pep angle to reach for an argument that's patently false, it's desperate.

patently false according to you with nothing to back it up but your opinion. thats not "patently". all I know is if Ive got 50 million to blow on a right back I try to buy the best one available.

 

[dtxspurs]

If he were sold how much would you want?

Walker and trippier are both very good players.

Honestly, I'd take 30mil and be thrilled. I'm not saying he's not a good player I just think Walker was significantly better.