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In addition Tripps played that pass to winks like a hot potato, was far too heavy and waist height. He got rid of it without thinking.
Player Watch: Kieran Trippier
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Syn_13
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I don't think that's Trippier having a go at Winks for not getting back or defending. That's him having a go at Winks for what is a very stupid ball back to him. Winks is in position to see the man coming back and should've kept hold of that for a second. Disclaimer: I rate Winks a lot, but that is very silly on his part.
However, what I will say is that Trippier makes his own mistake there for not getting back and tracking that runner. The fact that as soon as Winks lost the ball he went to chase it off the guy he gave it to, leading their full back to make a bee line down our flank, meant that Trips should've instinctively tracked the runner. He's hesitated and dawdled, hoping that Winks would be able to win it back, cut out the direct ball, or squeeze the guy enough so that he makes a mistake and/or can't feed the ball through. He's taken a gamble which hasn't paid off. That's the part of Trippier's game that sucks; he's not defensively astute. It's not so bad if you're a physical powerhouse like Walker, who made similar mistakes, but could use his physical abilities to make up for them. Trippier is neither particularly strong nor quick so he has to play smart and take less gambles defensively.
Vincent30
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Aurier deserves a run. Now his second season in this league and way more up to speed with it.
Trippier for me is a shocking RB defensively. As an attacker you would be licking your lips playing against him, he is tiny / weak, poor positionally quite a lot of the time and really quite slow and very average in the air.
Is he a good footballer, yes technically he has a great eye for a pass and can cross, but these should be bonus attributes for a full back. The fundamental attributes for this position are pace / acceleration, tackling / defensive duties and positional sense with your other defenders so that you're a unit. If you have some attacking flair and good final delivery that is great, but not essential. He doesn't have any of the fundamentals to be a good RB and i'm getting tired of seeing him start.
If this team had two quick and good defensive full backs plus a CM. We would have way more balance and threat. Out wide we are such a soft touch defensively compared to the days of Walker and a tenacious Rose it's completely bizarre we are doing as well as we are.
Trippier for me is a shocking RB defensively. As an attacker you would be licking your lips playing against him, he is tiny / weak, poor positionally quite a lot of the time and really quite slow and very average in the air.
Is he a good footballer, yes technically he has a great eye for a pass and can cross, but these should be bonus attributes for a full back. The fundamental attributes for this position are pace / acceleration, tackling / defensive duties and positional sense with your other defenders so that you're a unit. If you have some attacking flair and good final delivery that is great, but not essential. He doesn't have any of the fundamentals to be a good RB and i'm getting tired of seeing him start.
If this team had two quick and good defensive full backs plus a CM. We would have way more balance and threat. Out wide we are such a soft touch defensively compared to the days of Walker and a tenacious Rose it's completely bizarre we are doing as well as we are.
Paolo10
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We're 4th, 5 points off top as it stands and ahead of the scum...Trippier's (labelled as shit amid calls for him to be dropped) contribution so far in the league sees him with:
1 Goal (Fk vs. Fulham)
3 Assists (Most in the team)
Most Key Passes
Makes a third of our big chances (8/24)
Most touches in the team
Most tackles in the team (13th in the League...1 booking)
22 Clearances (4th...1 Off the Line)
Most crosses (Unsurprising...2nd in the League)
2 Blocked Shots (6th)
7 Interceptions (8th=)
15 Headed Clearances (4th)
9 Times Dispossessed (4th)
11 Aerial Duels Won (6th)
He did have his arms by his side with Hugo against City (do have an alternate hypothesis about that incident), after getting back with Sterling and making a bad decision in the box against a skilful player (ahem...Serge)...did get a hard time against (a fresh from the bench) Antonio in a League strength West Ham side...and then got annoyed with Winksy's pass hanging him out to dry on Saturday.
If you can't see what he brings to the side, your eyes are fucking painted on to be honest.
The attempted nutmeg was a very bad mistake...possibly his worst IMO (could also have been playing for the possible goal kick off the player in retrospect).
(All this after hardly having a break at a long World Cup, where half of you didn't want him to play anyway and he was arguably their best player)
1 Goal (Fk vs. Fulham)
3 Assists (Most in the team)
Most Key Passes
Makes a third of our big chances (8/24)
Most touches in the team
Most tackles in the team (13th in the League...1 booking)
22 Clearances (4th...1 Off the Line)
Most crosses (Unsurprising...2nd in the League)
2 Blocked Shots (6th)
7 Interceptions (8th=)
15 Headed Clearances (4th)
9 Times Dispossessed (4th)
11 Aerial Duels Won (6th)
He did have his arms by his side with Hugo against City (do have an alternate hypothesis about that incident), after getting back with Sterling and making a bad decision in the box against a skilful player (ahem...Serge)...did get a hard time against (a fresh from the bench) Antonio in a League strength West Ham side...and then got annoyed with Winksy's pass hanging him out to dry on Saturday.
If you can't see what he brings to the side, your eyes are fucking painted on to be honest.
The attempted nutmeg was a very bad mistake...possibly his worst IMO (could also have been playing for the possible goal kick off the player in retrospect).
(All this after hardly having a break at a long World Cup, where half of you didn't want him to play anyway and he was arguably their best player)
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wrd
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It's possible to see all that he brings in an attacking sense and then be fucking dismayed at his defensive displays. Against Liverpool, against City and last night. He was caught out time and time again against Cardiff also and Barca targeted him and he made errors in that game. He works better in a back 3 but for me his attacking prowess does not outweigh the shambles that are his defensive displays in a back 4 right now.
Paolo10
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Why is so much individual blame being laid at his door? Everyone knows his strengths and weaknesses...if he is attacking, someone has to be covering that side if Poch is any sort of coach!
Criticised when signed, criticised when Walker wanted to leave, criticised for not being as quick as Olympic sprinters...all by the same fucking people.
And then some of you top it all off by wanting to play Serge?! Lol.
Criticised when signed, criticised when Walker wanted to leave, criticised for not being as quick as Olympic sprinters...all by the same fucking people.
And then some of you top it all off by wanting to play Serge?! Lol.
wrd
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You're just ranting with making excuses for all of his errors, not offering any real counter point and can't see that people aren't suggesting that Aurier is the answer but simply that we want to see him given an opportunity to stake his claim given that Trippier has been struggling.
Vincent30
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Come on don't just throw stats out there. Rather than look at these, from actually watching the games this year are you honestly saying you have been impressed with him? And when you see his name starting you feel at ease with our right back position like you do when you have Verts starting at CB, you have that same confidence in him?
You don't believe Aurier who comes from PSG pedigree and is an international at least deserves a run of games?
You don't feel this is an area we need to strengthen?
As a full back his priority is to defend and this is a big weakness of his. I have little to no confidence in him defensively and he is doing everything to prove me right which is is super frustrating.
Shadydan
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Lord Almighty, most of those stats are a load of nonsense, as far as a defence for a player go this is probably the one of the most desperate ones I've seen lol 15 headed clearances, well done for doing your job mate! lol
Look I get the fact that Trippier has the highest chance creation in the team and the 3rd highest from open play and said as much earlier in the thread so I understand why from that perspective he's being picked but we don't need to collate stats that show up his defensive deficiencies because we have eyes. You cannot collate stats for his poor positioning, his lack of pace, physicality, he switches off way too much, worse that Aurier but at least Aurier has the pace and physicality to at least try and make up for his mistake.
You know people aren't stupid, I know what he brings to the team going forward but you're either spectacularly missing the point or you're being deliberately obtuse, at the moment he is a complete defensive liability and he is costing the team goals.
Ghost Hardware
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Aurier has shown signs of improvement. It would be stupid to sell him before we find out if he can become the RB we all hope he will be. Trips is going through a rough patch, he's not the only one in our team though. Yes it might be due to the WC and fatigue. However, unlike many other positions, RB is one we do have other options to try. If they fail then go back to Tripps. Nobody here knows how good or bad Aurier could become with game time and Poch's guidance so writing him off already is preposterous. end of season and he's still making stupid mistakes then get rid. But every player brought in from abroad needs two seasons to settle. That is standard.
LexingtonSpurs
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You got me there. If I had not been so busy finger-pointing, I might have gotten back on defense and helped prevent a goal.
My bad. I will try to make sure it does not happen again.
am_yisrael_chai
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I think what is missing in this “analysis” is the impact Trippier’s inability to defend has on the rest of our defence. There is no doubt that he makes our central defenders and our goalkeeper nervous in a way that just didn’t happen with Walker in the team. As I said previously, play him at home against teams who are just going to park the bus and where he is de facto an auxiliary winger. Don’t play him against Liverpool, City, Barca or pretty much any team with a quick or powerful winger because he is going to get made to look like a mug and cost us goals. I know it is a cliche but to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result is the definition of madness.
wrd
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Worst case scenario, Trippier gets a break and comes back refreshed and rejuvenated and we know that we need to sell Aurier but fuck me he needs a chance.
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Shadydan
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So glad he recognises it, let's see if he does something about it.
wrd
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ahh fuck me in the head, is there anything that brings a wry smile to your face quite like the manager himself backing up your argument?
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The fact that Poch alluded to it in his post-match interview and that he spent the following moments after Tripper's first mistake ranting to Perez shows us all that Poch is not happy with his actions and that he probably could be dropped.
Poch never calls out players, so for him to show his frustration in this way it has to have really peed him off.
I felt in that moment Poch was one of us and that was bothering him for the next five minutes, hence why he was still ranting minutes after it happened......until his next great defensive contribution.
I think the phrase 'play to the whistle' comes to mind? You never stop while the ball is in play ESPECIALLY to rant at a teammate and ESPECIALLY when the opposition are forming an attack.
Err, you are forgetting it was Trippier's pathetic mistake/header which allowed Sterling to make the run in the first place. Trippier than made another mistake by letting Sterling get passed him in the box. Catalogue of errors to go with the diabolical display yesterday.
Even Poch is publicly slagging off Trippier for being shit. Yet you are the only one who can't see it apparently....
