Player Watch Player Watch: Micky van de Ven

[N17NBL]

2,208,730,125.00 thai baht

With a "happy ending" included?

 

[FrankSpencer]

Some proper shit accountants in this thread!

 

[Guernman]

I’m not going to judge the player as I don’t know him but it concerns me that we haven’t gone all out for our alleged first choice with the more experienced Tapsoba.

We desperately need that key defensive leader and have done for years. That player would typically cost us at least 60 million. A figure we were happy to blow on Ndombele and also Richie as a back up striker

Liverpool paid 75 million for VVD 5 years ago, City have just paid 77 for Gvardiol. I wouldn’t mind if we never paid big money for any player, but we have in the past. But for some reason we won’t push the boat out for defenders when they are absolutely key to the success of the team.

Despite being a great prospect I’m not convinced that VDV is going to be that transformative CB we need and I’ll be underwhelmed if that’s it as far as CBs are concerned this window

 

[TheChosenOne]

Context :

Arsenal paid £50 million for Ben White 2 years ago.

 

[boddie]

Micky van de Ven - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

according to wiki he's already a Spurs player

 

[tubbygold]

Micky van de Ven - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

according to wiki he's already a Spurs player

He always has been.

 

[mil1lion]

Never seen him play but the pace he has is going to be huge when we're bombing forward like maniacs. Between him Udogie and imo it has to be Emerson at right back we have three real athletes who can recover

Romero is no slouch either. Key will be him being full fit.

 

[k1cks77]

I’m not going to judge the player as I don’t know him but it concerns me that we haven’t gone all out for our alleged first choice with the more experienced Tapsoba.

We desperately need that key defensive leader and have done for years. That player would typically cost us at least 60 million. A figure we were happy to blow on Ndombele and also Richie as a back up striker

Liverpool paid 75 million for VVD 5 years ago, City have just paid 77 for Gvardiol. I wouldn’t mind if we never paid big money for any player, but we have in the past. But for some reason we won’t push the boat out for defenders when they are absolutely key to the success of the team.

Despite being a great prospect I’m not convinced that VDV is going to be that transformative CB we need and I’ll be underwhelmed if that’s it as far as CBs are concerned this window

You have just given two examples of big money signings we went all out for and completely flopped, albeit richarlison i hope will come good after a stop start season, so in this instance I can somewhat understand our hesitation to spunk big money. Both of those players were chased by europes top clubs. Yes I would have loved tapsoba, but we aren’t privvy to the ins and outs of the dealings and valuations the clubs have. It’s all very well and good listing examples of other clubs going big and making it a success, but lets not forget pool paid 85million for nunez, arsenal paid 75million for pepe, man utd paid 85million for antony.

I am just glad that we have a list and all summer Mickey and tapsoba have been at the top of it and we look to have gotten one of them over the line, and it’s almost unheard of that a team gets most of their main targets let alone all of them. To me the way we are going this summer is a far cry from the days we would aim for a superstar like schevchenko and end up with a last minute loan for rasiak lol. Hopefully as others have said the outgoings start to pick up then maybe we try again for tapsoba later.

 

[Wig]

I’m not going to judge the player as I don’t know him but it concerns me that we haven’t gone all out for our alleged first choice with the more experienced Tapsoba.

We desperately need that key defensive leader and have done for years. That player would typically cost us at least 60 million. A figure we were happy to blow on Ndombele and also Richie as a back up striker

Liverpool paid 75 million for VVD 5 years ago, City have just paid 77 for Gvardiol. I wouldn’t mind if we never paid big money for any player, but we have in the past. But for some reason we won’t push the boat out for defenders when they are absolutely key to the success of the team.

Despite being a great prospect I’m not convinced that VDV is going to be that transformative CB we need and I’ll be underwhelmed if that’s it as far as CBs are concerned this window

To give some balance, there are no guarantees with Tapsoba either. Some friends who have watched him more than I have said that Tapsoba can be a liability and has regular errors in him. I remember us smashing our transfer record for Sanchez and we've all see how that has played out.

There's risk with any new player, so we've gotta hope that the raw talents VDV has can translate to a good player here for us.

 

[DiVaio]

Yeah was always a bit of a toss-up and we backed the wrong horse in Rodon. If we'd gone for Kvara and Kim instead of Rodon and Gil we'd be in a very different place right now.

Not really though, the biggest problem for Spurs with buying young players for last few years was not giving good chances to develop with little playing time and/or playing in generally bad teams.
It would be the same situation for Kvara, there's no chance Conte would give him chances ahead of Son

 

[Timberwolf]

Hmm the reporting is quite unclear about how much the bid actually is. Sky Sports are confusingly reporting the pound conversion for 100m euros (£86m) rather than an actual final fee...unless Bayern are basically bidding 100m euros and 1 cent to say it's 'above 100'.

If it really is just 100m euros I don't think we accept. If they have actually increased their offer by 10m or so then it could well be on.

 

[dirtyh]

the difference with vdv is that ange wanted him at celtic so he's a known quantity to him as opposed to a flavour of the month from either the club or even just here on sc. Regardless of the price which doesn't smack of lesser deal or back up at all, if he's ange's pick then so be it. personally think he's got a huge ceiling and having lightning pace is never a bad thing, wherever you play.

 

[bbunc]

Not really though, the biggest problem for Spurs with buying young players for last few years was not giving good chances to develop with little playing time and/or playing in generally bad teams.
It would be the same situation for Kvara, there's no chance Conte would give him chances ahead of Son

I disagree. We could have played Rodon and Gil every minute and they wouldn’t be in the same league as Kvara and Monster. We just made bad choices and bought much worse players. Scouts put them forward and we didn’t bite, because we had no club strategy in place .

Still ironic as we’d have gotten the same Danny Rose googling and Cheap Levy reactions to those acquisitions if they’d have been made, but we’d still be in the Champs Lge and Kane likely already on a long term deal.

 

[Guernman]

You have just given two examples of big money signings we went all out for and completely flopped, albeit richarlison i hope will come good after a stop start season, so in this instance I can somewhat understand our hesitation to spunk big money. Both of those players were chased by europes top clubs. Yes I would have loved tapsoba, but we aren’t privvy to the ins and outs of the dealings and valuations the clubs have. It’s all very well and good listing examples of other clubs going big and making it a success, but lets not forget pool paid 85million for nunez, arsenal paid 75million for pepe, man utd paid 85million for antony.

I am just glad that we have a list and all summer Mickey and tapsoba have been at the top of it and we look to have gotten one of them over the line, and it’s almost unheard of that a team gets most of their main targets let alone all of them. To me the way we are going this summer is a far cry from the days we would aim for a superstar like schevchenko and end up with a last minute loan for rasiak lol. Hopefully as others have said the outgoings start to pick up then maybe we try again for tapsoba later.

I agree that big money signings don’t always pay off and we can’t afford to get them wrong in the way City can, and I would have no issue if we had identified VDV as our first choice

but from what we heard Tapsoba was our first choice for this key position. My point is that the amounts being spoken of to get him were within the realms of what we have spent on a single player in the past and certainly in line with what you have to pay for a starting CB in a top 6 club today. We either back out scouts or we don’t.

We've now bought a prospect rather than a finished product but we’ve spent a lot for a prospect, too much that he has to be playing but not enough that he is clearly going to transform the weakness in our squad. That’s what concerns me

even if we go back for Tapsoba with the Kane money I would argue that we should have prioritised our first choice CB in the first place and maybe persuade Kane to stay on the back of it.

 

[kthwlsn]

RE the posts about being patient… we need a CB that’s ready to go, why should we be patient if it’s been clear as day for 2 years we need a reliable CB.

Fuck patience, says the Voice of Reason.

 

[jurgen11]

is it

 

[DiVaio]

I disagree. We could have played Rodon and Gil every minute and they wouldn’t be in the same league as Kvara and Monster. We just made bad choices and bought much worse players. Scouts put them forward and we didn’t bite, because we had no club strategy in place .

And yet Kvaratshkelia and Gil had basically identical output in terms of attacking numbers before their transfers. One playing in Russian League and one in Spanish League. You would also probably tell that Championship is higher quality league than Chinese League

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Context :

Arsenal paid £50 million for Ben White 2 years ago.

He’s been very good for them though.

 

[Nanky_1988]

One week ago; Levy is such a tight ****, can't believe we haven't signed a CB.

Today; NO DANIEL, THAT'S TOO MUCH, WE'VE OVERSPENT

I don’t care if we’ve overspent I want CB’s with high ceilings/potential! We need speed as well with this high line! Great signing for me

 

[Tonio]

Walker still does make mistakes.

There's no defender in the history of the sport that doesn't make mistakes.