Player Watch Player Watch: Ryan Sessegnon

[coy-spurs1882]

I'd swap him and Reggie out for Kostic and Borna Sosa in a heartbeat. Sessegnon has the talent but how much longer are we going to wait for him to be confident and fit?

being a "confidence player" means mentally weak imo

 

[ChaoticBeaver]

Do you actually watch League Two football? He’s by no means Andy Robertson ability-wise but there’s a reason this lad has been playing at least two divisions above that level since he was 16

Some players do just fall away though, we’ve had players come in with a lot of potential who are now in the lower leagues. Maybe League Two is a stretch but League One or Championship level would be much better for him.

Did you count the number of times he was beaten yesterday by the likes of Marc Albrighton? He can’t defend and offers nothing in attack, there also doesn’t seem to be any natural talent, poor ball control and his pace is just standard.

Would be happy to be proven wrong and right now he’ll get his chance because we have no options but he’s a massive weak link for us.

 

[Timberwolf]

Every time he comes back he looks awful initially, then steadily improves as he gains rhythm and confidence, and just at the point where he's starting to look like a good player he breaks down again.

He wasn't great yesterday but it was still a significant improvement on the Brentford game in which he looked totally lost. Hopefully he can push on from here until the end of the season.

IIRC in his last game against Liverpool he put in an excellent defensive performance and contained Salah all game, so fingers crossed he can do that again.

 

[ultimateloner]

its not about physical strength you could understand that he would be nervous as he has had numerous small injuries - its about mental strength being prepared to take a chance play a pass which effects a game he doesn't do that at all - he hides in games he is not prepared to push on and engage players as a result he ends up doing nothing he doesn't show for the ball with any real intent and defensively he is poor - the talent maybe there but he doesn't impose himself at all and hasn't progressed as a player - he is never going to be a top player nowhere near a first team player at Tottenham trouble is we now know we played well over the odds for him

Yes I know what you mean. He's not imposing himself on games. Similar to Winks.
I think it probably has to do with lack of self-belief, and fear of injury.
I agree that this is big issue and also difficult to address; this is why I appreciate that he is at least seeking help through a psychiatrist.
I feel it is reasonable for him to act this way; he's not proven in PL, has had a bad injury record, and in a team that is inconsistent. This is where I hope Conte can show his man-management side of the game, by giving a young player confidence to express himself (given injury-free).

I agree with you that at the moment it's 50/50 or less that he 'makes it' with us as a top player in his position.

However my view is that if we can upgrade in that position then great, as the team's overall performance is more important than his development. However If we can't get an upgrade at a reasonable price, then sticking with him isn't the end of the world either.

I think we have more important priorities, such as FINALLY securing a potential replacement for Kane/Son. Tifo said that a good number of strikers will become available this summer, and Kane and Son are now close to 30; I feel that the club needs to focus on doing this part. Because this would make or break us over the next couple of seasons. We are running out of time/chances.

 

[HildoSpur]

He will likely stay purely because he is English and we struggle with the quota's as it is. Also he is still young and has time to improve. He really needs to step it up though if he has any hopes of making it here in the long term.

 

[jpascavitz]

For myself, I still forget the fact that he is only 21. I think it will click for him, just needs one season without the stop,start,stop,start then I think he will forget about it all and you'll see his full potential. I mean he's not playing awful, but you definitely see that he's probably not going full throttle, which gives me the hope. Seems to be a great kid at 21 also, as well as a great team player.

 

[DJS]

One issue seems to be he starts to get a groove then gets injured.

This causes two issues - firstly it upsets his momentum and secondly he then gets a bit of mental fear that he’ll injure something if he goes full pelt.

He also seems a confidence player as well.

Would be interesting to see if we can actually have him fit during pre-season and if any potential changes to our medical department help him as it is a concern he seems very injury prone.

 

[zinzanzee]

Just watched game as live in Australia. Thought he looks more physically developed and with a run of games maybe is ready to take next step. Hope he does as seems a decent young man

 

[chrisd2k]

I don’t want to be calling anyone out at all. But put your bias’ aside, and add some perspective. Firstly, he had more than one good season in a very good championship. From the age of 16 he has been one of the stand outs players for various age groups for England.

From the age of 16 the kid had no real break end of season, as he was off with England. He signed for us with an injury that Bothroyd knew about, and losses both Fulham and us off. He shouldn’t of player any games.

He never properly recovered, and was then playing with injections. Very bad management by our medical team.

He was highly chased by the big clubs, both here and abroad. His confidence and performances was developing, que our match against Liverpool. The new management have locked into this, and trying to manage him. Psychology he is understandably playing within himself, as he does not want another injury.

So those with your tainted agendas, please get real, and the kid some slack.

REAL TALK

Agenda FFS ?. What sort of agenda do you suggest I have against someone I've never met? Why wouldn't I want him to be good enough? It would save us a lot of money this summer.

I have quite a few other issues with the above but I'll just leave it at this. He has never shown the ability required to play at this level with either us or Fulham.

Yes injuries, but that's also another reason to replace him. Yes mentality, but again that's also an issue to replace him.

My eyes with no agenda say to me he probably won't be good enough unless he does a hell of a lot of improvement. I would suggest a loan to another EPL in next season and see if he can stay fit and play well.

Still need another player next season in that position though. Even if he was playing amazingly, with those injuries he would need competition so either way we need to do something this summer in that position.

 

[chrisd2k]

One issue seems to be he starts to get a groove then gets injured.

This causes two issues - firstly it upsets his momentum and secondly he then gets a bit of mental fear that he’ll injure something if he goes full pelt.

He also seems a confidence player as well.

Would be interesting to see if we can actually have him fit during pre-season and if any potential changes to our medical department help him as it is a concern he seems very injury prone.

What groove? This is becoming a bit of a myth. He's never been anything better than ok. And sometimes that's been flattering

 

[DJS]

What groove? This is becoming a bit of a myth. He's never been anything better than ok. And sometimes that's been flattering

I do recall when he first came in under Conte he took a couple of games but was starting to look quite decent then unfortunately got injured straight away, which put him back to square one.

Not saying he was a world beater but he was pretty solid and starting to attack nicely as well.

 

[tubbygold]

What groove? This is becoming a bit of a myth. He's never been anything better than ok. And sometimes that's been flattering

He was doing quite well before his latest injury, especially offensively. Good crosses, challenging runs, assists. He was definitely growing in confidence. I'd give him at least another season, get Kostic or the Turkish fella over Reguilon instead. See if he can get clear of injuries.

 

[McFlash]

Fuck me, there really is a lot of over-reactionary hyperbole shouted in here.

Surely there's no doubting that he's got some quality to him and he's only 21, still growing into his body.
I honestly think he just needs to get fit and regain confidence in his fitness, then we'll see him blossom.

He's had a tough time with us so far but players grow and mature differently so to be calling him shit, or league 2 level is just stupid.
He's got talent and that's there to be seen over his short career so far, he just needs to regain fitness and confidence in his body.

Yeah, there's every chance that he becomes a perma-crock and never regains his confidence but I firmly believe that at present, at 21, its far too early to give up on him.

 

[McFlash]

Change my mind

Why would we waste our time on what was such a stupid post to start with?!

 

[McFlash]

So is Skipp. Kulu is 22 btw.

Not all players mature, or grow into their minds and bodies at the same rate.
Comparing players at such a young age is a little unfair. Not everyone one is a Rooney or original Ronaldo.
I'm not sure (and can't be arsed to look it up) but as an example, I'm not sure someone like Leighton Baines was blooming at 21, I don't recall him coming to the fore until his mid 20's.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

What gives me hope for Sessegnon is that he was such a clutch player as a 17/18 year old for Fulham in their promotion season. In the playoff semifinal against Derby he scored the equaliser and assisted the winner from a corner, and he then went on to assist the winner in the play off final against Villa. Clearly not every teenager is able to do that.





At Spurs his longest consequtive run of starts was before his last injury (5 games total) which included being part of the win at the Etihad and providing the assist for Doherty at Leeds and for Keane's own goal vs Everton. I would give him a full pre season with Conte, and if he's able to stay fit we might see a significant improvement in his performances next season.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Not sure on his stats or performances but I seem to recall he played quite well for Hoffenheim and even got some Champs league games in before he got injured. Maybe some well grounded sc member could remember his time in Germany (and before any fuckwit says but it’s not the premier league….save it)

 

[coy-spurs1882]

I'd swap him and Reggie out for Kostic and Borna Sosa in a heartbeat. Sessegnon has the talent but how much longer are we going to wait for him to be confident and fit?

THIS. we need quality players NOW to compete otherwise Conte and Kane will leave imminently

 

[eddiebailey]

The same argument used for the likes of onomah carroll pritchard when i said they were not good enough

The same argument was also used for Harry Kane when people on here said he wasn’t good enough (and there were plenty who did).
Or a more direct comparison, Danny Rose, who returned from a decent loan, had an injury prone season, and was widely written off by the SC sages.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

League two player

Change my mind

Easier to just ignore you mate.