Player Watch - Steven Bergwijn signs for Ajax

[TheTanguy]

It’s a shame because he should have been a potent attacking threat in a counter attack with his pace.
He’s quicker than bale and Lucas but has looked totally bereft of confidence since the game at anfield.
However we set up next season I’m sure we’ll see an improved version of bergwijn

Not sure what you have been watching, but Lucas is (much) quicker than Bergwijn. Bergwijn isn't slow, but certainly not a speed merchant either.

 

[lincspurs]

We cant afford to be spending £30m on players that shouldnt be starting for us. Jose clearly didnt want or rate him and it turns out he was probably right.

Our transfer team and scouts need a serious overhaul if this was the best they could come up with.

Absolutely agree, so many bad signings (which look even worse when compared to others teams transfers) with no apparent consequences, for them.
As many have already said, I think we need to go back to signing young hungry prospects.

 

[nico97531]

Spot on. Until we have a manager who wants us to keep the ball and attack it’s not fair to judge him. Because apart from Son and Kane all our attacking players have had patchy form under this manager.

Yes that maybe true, but lamela and Lucas never let their head dropped even when they are not having good games, they never stop driving at the opponent always trying to make things happen by taking the defenders on but with Bergwijn he seems to lack that drive and always choose the safety pass most of the time, I suspect that is the reason he’s not in the team instead of lacking goals as the other two isn’t particularly better on that front either.

 

[nico97531]

Not sure what you have been watching, but Lucas is (much) quicker than Bergwijn. Bergwijn isn't slow, but certainly not a speed merchant either.

Yes definitely agree, pace wise it’s not even close between Lucas and Bergwijn, even Bale when on the rare occasions he did put the burner on showed he’s still quicker when he wants to be like against Burnley, you never see Bergwijn even try to out runs a defender like that this year at all.

 

[teedee]

Yes definitely agree, pace wise it’s not even close between Lucas and Bergwijn, even Bale when on the rare occasions he did put the burner on showed he’s still quicker when he wants to be like against Burnley, you never see Bergwijn even try to out runs a defender like that this year at all.

And Moura's acceleration over 10 metres leaves them for dead.

 

[nico97531]

And Moura's acceleration over 10 metres leaves them for dead.

Which is so frustrating why he doesn’t make more runs behind the defense, he’s the only one that has the pace to do it besides son and he certainly has the ability to score when he does get in but he just doesn’t do it, always wants to come inside and receive the ball at feet

 

[isaac94]

It’s a shame because he should have been a potent attacking threat in a counter attack with his pace.
He’s quicker than bale and Lucas but has looked totally bereft of confidence since the game at anfield.
However we set up next season I’m sure we’ll see an improved version of bergwijn

Nowhere near as quick as Lucas

 

[dontcallme]

Nowhere near as quick as Lucas

‘He’s faster than me’: Son claims Tottenham player’s so fast

Tottenham Hotspur forward Heung-Min Son has said that Lucas Moura is even faster than him, when asked who Spurs' quickest player is.

www.hitc.com

Accoring to Son, Lucas is our fastest player.

 

[mr ashley]

Nowhere near as quick as Lucas

Ok that’s fine. As quite a few people disagreed with this I must have missed seeing Lucas outsprint defenders.

Just to clarify my point, I think Bergwijn is quicker in a straight line running onto a through ball, whereas Lucas is quicker with the ball at his feet (one of the quickest dribblers in the PL in fact).

I’ll keep my eyes peeled

 

[mr ashley]

‘He’s faster than me’: Son claims Tottenham player’s so fast

Tottenham Hotspur forward Heung-Min Son has said that Lucas Moura is even faster than him, when asked who Spurs' quickest player is.

www.hitc.com

Accoring to Son, Lucas is our fastest player.

Jesus Christ that article was hard to read. Adverts after every 3-4 lines.
But also, fair point. I must have missed something.

In all fairness I don’t think Lucas makes the runs in behind that Son or even Bergwijn make, as he always comes short to receive the ball to feet.

If he’s the quickest forward in our squad then why aren’t we utilising this in the way we have with Son all season?
if Lucas has pace to burn, then why the hell doesn’t he use it?

 

[dontcallme]

Jesus Christ that article was hard to read. Adverts after every 3-4 lines.
But also, fair point. I must have missed something.

In all fairness I don’t think Lucas makes the runs in behind that Son or even Bergwijn make, as he always comes short to receive the ball to feet.

If he’s the quickest forward in our squad then why aren’t we utilising this in the way we have with Son all season?
if Lucas has pace to burn, then why the hell doesn’t he use it?

I could be wrong but I don't think Lucas is that fast over 5 yards. It's why he struggles to turn players and leave them for dead. But give him space to run into and he's pretty rapid.

Defoe wasn't the fast but he was very quick on the turn making him much more able to shift and shoot.

 

[mr ashley]

I could be wrong but I don't think Lucas is that fast over 5 yards. It's why he struggles to turn players and leave them for dead. But give him space to run into and he's pretty rapid.

Defoe wasn't the fast but he was very quick on the turn making him much more able to shift and shoot.

You see, this is exactly my point.
Earlier in the season when Bergwijn was the third forward, he regularly made runs in behind as part of our counter attacks.
Lucas has quite rightly displaced him but doesn’t make the same runs

 

[double0]

Lucas is rapid but he doesn't use that pace or vary his points of attack.... He is just as quick as Mane but unlike Mane he knows how to use his pace.

Lucas rarely runs off or onto the ball he tends to receive it from a standing position.

 

[dontcallme]

Lucas is rapid but he doesn't use that pace or vary his points of attack.... He is just as quick as Mane but unlike Mane he knows how to use his pace.

Lucas rarely runs off or onto the ball he tends to receive it from a standing position.

I think it's about acceleration. Mane has better acceleration than Lucas.

 

[nferno]

I think it's about acceleration. Mane has better acceleration than Lucas.

lol surprisingly I think it’s the opposite; that Lucas is lightning in those first few strides to reach his top speed, but Mane can hit another gear during his slightly slower acceleration and also has the strength to go along with the speed like a proper Olympic sprinter

 

[dontcallme]

lol surprisingly I think it’s the opposite; that Lucas is lightning in those first few strides to reach his top speed, but Mane can hit another gear during his slightly slower acceleration and also has the strength to go along with the speed like a proper Olympic sprinter

Disagree. If Lucas was faster over the 1st 5 yards he'd be taking players on with ease. He has skill but not quick enough in tight areas to make it count.

Watch him score a double against Utd, he is very good at taking advantage of space as once he is up to speed he is rapid.

 

[nferno]

Disagree. If Lucas was faster over the 1st 5 yards he'd be taking players on with ease. He has skill but not quick enough in tight areas to make it count.

Watch him score a double against Utd, he is very good at taking advantage of space as once he is up to speed he is rapid.

interesting, I’ll have a closer look next time. And I don’t really watch Liverpool all that often so maybe I’ve not seen enough of Mane to have an accurate view

 

[spids]

Lucas' is rapid but his problem is his second touch is heavy and he does not run in behind off the ball. He wants to get it, turn, then accelerate, and when he does that he over runs the ball straight into a defender. If, when he was wide, just ran in behind his full back he'd be deadly.

 

[dontcallme]

interesting, I’ll have a closer look next time. And I don’t really watch Liverpool all that often so maybe I’ve not seen enough of Mane to have an accurate view

My view on Mane could be way off.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Lucas is rapid but he doesn't use that pace or vary his points of attack.... He is just as quick as Mane but unlike Mane he knows how to use his pace.

Lucas rarely runs off or onto the ball he tends to receive it from a standing position.

Yes. This has always been my issue with him. For a player who is so rapid his movement off the ball is really poor. If he knew how to make the right runs in behind defences he would be twice the player he currently is.